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(fx-8350 and GTX 1080 Ti) Worth Upgrading to Ryzen 7 2700x?

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My current PC is a pretty good one, with an fx-8350 CPU, 16GB DDR3 RAM, and a GTX 1080 Ti graphics card. I've always wanted to stick with AMD for my next CPU and thought about upgrading to one further down the line. However, would it be better to upgrade now, and is the current top-tier, consumer Ryzen, the 2700x, a good choice? Upgrading would cost me a lot, as I would also need to buy a new mobo, PSU, RAM, and cooler along with the CPU. So, as it currently stands, is it worth upgrading or not? Is the current top-tier Ryzen good enough to be worth all the costs?

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Which resolution do you play at?

You could use the stock cooler of 2700x, as it is pretty good

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Just now, Quadriplegic said:

Which resolution do you play at?

You could use the stock cooler of 2700x, as it is pretty good

I play at 3840x2160.

 

And I was planning on overclocking the Ryzen to at least match the base 4GHz of the 8350. Would that kind of jump be possible with the stock cooler?

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1 minute ago, avrona said:

I play at 3840x2160.

 

And I was planning on overclocking the Ryzen to at least match the base 4GHz of the 8350. Would that kind of jump be possible with the stock cooler?

Yes. Don't really need to overclock it manually, as XFR and PBO can automatically boost the CPU up to around 4.1-4.2 Ghz. 

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I wouldn't exactly call an 8350 "pretty good"... a Ryzen 5 2600 would be a huge upgrade. As it sits though, if you can wait until mid-year 2019, you can upgrade to Zen 2, which will most likely be the best choice to upgrade.

 

Since you play at 4k, you will probably see less of an improvement than if you were playing at 1440p or lower, but an improvement nonetheless. Also, clocks speeds are not the only determining factor of a CPUs compute power, so there's no need to OC it just to see performance gains over an 8350.

 

As it sits though, if you want a 2700X, get a 2700 and an aftermarket cooler. They are the same chip, and the cooler will allow better overclocking, or the same overclocking at lower temps (read: quieter).

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Just now, Quadriplegic said:

Yes. Don't really need to overclock it manually, as XFR and PBO can automatically boost the CPU up to around 4.1-4.2 Ghz. 

Wasn't planning on doing it manually anyway XD. So I'm guessing I can get up to that 4.1-4.2 with just the stock cooler then?

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2 minutes ago, Cereal5 said:

I wouldn't exactly call an 8350 "pretty good"... a Ryzen 5 2600 would be a huge upgrade. As it sits though, if you can wait until mid-year 2019, you can upgrade to Zen 2, which will most likely be the best choice to upgrade.

 

Since you play at 4k, you will probably see less of an improvement than if you were playing at 1440p or lower, but an improvement nonetheless. Also, clocks speeds are not the only determining factor of a CPUs compute power, so there's no need to OC it just to see performance gains over an 8350.

 

As it sits though, if you want a 2700X, get a 2700 and an aftermarket cooler. They are the same chip, and the cooler will allow better overclocking, or the same overclocking at lower temps (read: quieter).

I know clock speed isn't the only factor, but if I'm spending so much just to upgrade a CPU I want to get the most out of it. I guess I can just start saving up and see what happens in 2019.

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1 minute ago, avrona said:

Wasn't planning on doing it manually anyway XD. So I'm guessing I can get up to that 4.1-4.2 with just the stock cooler then?

Stock cooler should be able to handle that.

Of course, aftermarket cooler would reduce noise and temperatures

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I'm sorry but that has to be the worst PC ever. Please do not take any offence. I am surprised that your CPU is even trying to keep up with your GPU. I'd recommend selling your 1080 Ti and using the money to upgrade to an actual system.

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2 minutes ago, avrona said:

I know clock speed isn't the only factor, but if I'm spending so much just to upgrade a CPU I want to get the most out of it. I guess I can just start saving up and see what happens in 2019.

 

5 minutes ago, Cereal5 said:

As it sits though, if you want a 2700X, get a 2700 and an aftermarket cooler. They are the same chip, and the cooler will allow better overclocking, or the same overclocking at lower temps (read: quieter).

 

Yeah, that would be my suggestion. If you are happy enough with what you have now, then waiting just a bit longer won't hurt.

1 minute ago, Abdul201588 said:

I'm sorry but that has to be the worst PC ever. Please do not take any offence. I am surprised that your CPU is even trying to keep up with your GPU. I'd recommend selling your 1080 Ti and using the money to upgrade to an actual system.

I'm sorry, but that has to be the worst idea ever. He clearly has enough to buy a top tier CPU now, so he doesn't need to sell anything in order to upgrade.

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1 minute ago, Abdul201588 said:

I'm sorry but that has to be the worst PC ever. Please do not take any offence. I am surprised that your CPU is even trying to keep up with your GPU. I'd recommend selling your 1080 Ti and using the money to upgrade to an actual system.

How on earth is it though? It's doing really well, able to play games at 4k pretty smoothly, OBS Studio has no issues whatsoever with both streaming and recording at 4k, render times in blender and video editing software are good, it's really quiet, and is just overall really good performance-wise, so I really don't know where you got that from.

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4 minutes ago, avrona said:

I know clock speed isn't the only factor, but if I'm spending so much just to upgrade a CPU I want to get the most out of it. I guess I can just start saving up and see what happens in 2019.

 

1 minute ago, Cereal5 said:

 

 

Yeah, that would be my suggestion. If you are happy enough with what you have now, then waiting just a bit longer won't hurt.

I'm sorry, but that has to be the worst idea ever. He clearly has enough to buy a top tier CPU now, so he doesn't need to sell anything in order to upgrade.

OP Clearly doesn't. Read the highlighted text.

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1 minute ago, avrona said:

How on earth is it though? It's doing really well, able to play games at 4k pretty smoothly, OBS Studio has no issues whatsoever with both streaming and recording at 4k, render times in blender and video editing software are good, it's really quiet, and is just overall really good performance-wise, so I really don't know where you got that from.

An ancient CPU with a high end GPU. There should be bottleneck because of your CPU.

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1 minute ago, Abdul201588 said:

An ancient CPU with a high end GPU. There should be bottleneck because of your CPU.

Well it's not that ancient and there isn't any/too much bottlenecking from what I am seeing. It is running beautifully even at 4k. 

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11 minutes ago, Abdul201588 said:

I'm sorry but that has to be the worst PC ever. Please do not take any offence. I am surprised that your CPU is even trying to keep up with your GPU. I'd recommend selling your 1080 Ti and using the money to upgrade to an actual system.

I'm sorry but that has to be one of the worst advises ever.Please do not take any offence but learn how performance of various components scale depending on resolution. I'd recommend not giving others advice unless your well informed yourself. 

 

The FX 8350 has weak IPC, but because his running at 4k the biggest strain is on the GPU and the CPU isn't pushed as far as it would be pushed at 1080p for example, basically under high framerate circumstances. For his needs the system performs up to par, but you just advised him to get rid of the one thing that enables him to enjoy the things he needs.

 

13 minutes ago, avrona said:

Wasn't planning on doing it manually anyway XD. So I'm guessing I can get up to that 4.1-4.2 with just the stock cooler then?

Personally if atm your still satisfied i would wait a bit more and save money.

 

If your still considering upgrading now though i think for you since you'd rather not dabble into overclocking, going for the 2700x with an after cooler is a better choice, as it boosts slightly more then the 2700, if your fine with overclocking go for the 2700.

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9 minutes ago, Abdul201588 said:

I'm sorry but that has to be the worst PC ever. Please do not take any offence. I am surprised that your CPU is even trying to keep up with your GPU. I'd recommend selling your 1080 Ti and using the money to upgrade to an actual system.

It's not the worst PC ever. There's much worse out there.

 

There's no reason to sell the 1080 Ti. You'll probably be able to buy a motherboard, CPU and RAM at best with money from a 1080 Ti. Sure, a mobo, CPU and RAM aren't bad, but there's no GPU. If OP has a 1080 Ti they're most likely looking for gaming performance and you won't get that without a GPU.

 

My advice is to keep the 8350 until the budget is big enough for a good Ryzen system. It doesn't even have to be Ryzen 7, Ryzen 5 will do the job pretty nicely too.

 

 

 

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Yeah i would also recommend waiting for 2019, CES is around the corner, and they should showcase the next gen ryzen processors there. Then you can decide if there is a point in waiting additional 1-2months until these hit the shelves.

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2 minutes ago, Strike105X said:

If your still considering upgrading now though i think for you since you'd rather not dabble into overclocking, going for the 2700x with an after cooler is a better choice, as it boosts slightly more then the 2700, if your fine with overclocking go for the 2700.

I just had a quick look at the pricing and the 2700x is just £30 more than a 2700 (at least ATM). So is it worth the extra £30 to get the 2700x, purely from a standpoint of performance and how much it can be overclocked (doesn't matter how hard or easy or whatever it is)?

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1 minute ago, avrona said:

I just had a quick look at the pricing and the 2700x is just £30 more than a 2700 (at least ATM). So is it worth the extra £30 to get the 2700x, purely from a standpoint of performance and how much it can be overclocked (doesn't matter how hard or easy or whatever it is)?

I think the extra £30 isn't worth it. The 2700X is essentially the same chip as the 2700.

 

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1 minute ago, 1kv said:

I think the extra £30 isn't worth it. The 2700X is essentially the same chip as the 2700.

 

I would have to disagree. While the r7 1700 i have is the same chip as the r7 1800x, then 1700 can only do 3.8ghz stable, while most 1800x can do 4.0-4.1ghz. So i would say getting the higher end chip is worth it, especially if you get a really poorly binned lower end chip.

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51 minutes ago, Origami Cactus said:

I would have to disagree. While the r7 1700 i have is the same chip as the r7 1800x, then 1700 can only do 3.8ghz stable, while most 1800x can do 4.0-4.1ghz. So i would say getting the higher end chip is worth it, especially if you get a really poorly binned lower end chip.

That's a bit of a flawed comparison the r7 1700 vs the 1800x. You should compare the r7 1700 to the 1700x you skipped even the 1800 going all the way to the 1800x.... The higher frequency binned chip of course it will always be better. But in the case of the 1700 vs the 1700x (or in the OP case the 2700 vs 2700x) the binning differences isn't really worth considering that much, if you focus on simple overclocks, you will get similar results with both. Of course you can argue that when overclocking even for a small binning differences is worth paying extra, and i do agree with that, if your willing to squeeze everything you can out of the system that is, for mild overclocks its not, and its up to the op to decide if he wants to go for an agressive OC or something mild. So let me rephrase for no overclocking and for overclocking as much as possible the best results/chances are with the 2700x (but its not guaranteed, chances are slightly higher with the 2700x but you can get just as luckly with a 2700 to be honest, i had an FX8300 for example that could overclock higher then many FX 8350, even though the FX8350 where better binned), or if your sure your going to overclock anyway, but not squeeze everything out of the cpu then a 2700 is fine.

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