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TheMakakiMonkey
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Hi, want to build pc for my little brother, so looking for help in terms of compatibility, bottlenecking and price efficiency.

Optimally, he would like to have GTX 1060 (3gb), CPU, Motherboard, RAM would also need a replacement. 

Would be great not to go over around 550 euros (630$ USD) for all 4 parts together.

The build I'm considering:

 

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Videocard: GTX 1060 3gb - 200€ (230$ USD)

CPU Intel i5 7400 - 210€ (240$ USD)

MB: Gigabyte GA-H110-D3A - 62€ (70$ USD)

RAM: (x2)Kingston HyperX FURY 4GB 2133MHz DDR4 CL14 DIMM 1.2V - 66€ (75$ USD)

 

- 540€ (615$ USD)

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Would like to know whether this motherboard really supports i7400 (pcpartpicker.com says it does), and whether there would be much bottlenecking going on from the i7400 against the gtx 1060. Also, he has, I think, some basic 450w or 500w psu, which I guess should be fine, but could there be some connectors needed for the GTX that he wouldn't have on a casual psu?

 

He mostly would be playing CS:GO, League of Legends, Fortnite (-_-), GTA V.

 

Thanks a lot.

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 5 1400 3.2 GHz Quad-Core Processor £92.00 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard MSI - B450-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard £79.98 @ Ebuyer
Memory Team - Vulcan 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory £74.68 @ More Computers
Video Card EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6 GB SC GAMING Video Card £229.97 @ Ebuyer
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total £476.63
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-13 17:09 GMT+0000  

Around 530 euros. Allows for CPU upgrade later on if you ever need to.

Main system: Ryzen 7 7800X3D / Asus ROG Strix B650E / G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO 32GB 6000Mhz / Powercolor RX 7900 XTX Red Devil/ EVGA 750W GQ / NZXT H5 Flow

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why even bother with last gen CPU platform?

 

Also that CPU's name is i5-7400, 7400 in short. i7400 makes people thought of the i7s.

 

1060 3gb is a problem, you can often get RX 570 4gb for less.

 

PSU is not named out, which usually means something's wrong.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

why even bother with last gen CPU platform?

 

Also that CPU's name is i5-7400, 7400 in short. i7400 makes people thought of the i7s.

 

1060 3gb is a problem, you can often get RX 570 4gb for less.

 

PSU is not named out, which usually means something's wrong.

For the first, well, that's probably why I'm asking for advice ?

As to RX570, why though? 1060 3gb outperforms it mostly, no? 

https://www.techspot.com/review/1660-geforce-gtx-1060-3gb-vs-radeon-rx-570-4gb/

and https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1060-3GB-vs-AMD-RX-570/3646vs3924

 

PSU is the least of my worries, as it is not super expensive anyways, but I just got the model name. fsp-460-60hcn. 

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23 minutes ago, PopsicleHustler said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 5 1400 3.2 GHz Quad-Core Processor £92.00 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard MSI - B450-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard £79.98 @ Ebuyer
Memory Team - Vulcan 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory £74.68 @ More Computers
Video Card EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6 GB SC GAMING Video Card £229.97 @ Ebuyer
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total £476.63
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-13 17:09 GMT+0000  

Around 530 euros. Allows for CPU upgrade later on if you ever need to.

Thanks. Would Ryzen 5 1400 bottleneck the gpu you provided? In other words, would it be worth to spend a little extra and get Ryzen 1600? Would it work on that same MB? Appreciate the help.

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4 minutes ago, TheMakakiMonkey said:

Thanks. Would Ryzen 5 1400 bottleneck the gpu you provided? In other words, would it be worth to spend a little extra and get Ryzen 1600? Would it work on that same MB?

I don't think it would benefit games like LoL or CS GO, I would save up and get Ryzen 3000 series chip when it comes out early next year.

Main system: Ryzen 7 7800X3D / Asus ROG Strix B650E / G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO 32GB 6000Mhz / Powercolor RX 7900 XTX Red Devil/ EVGA 750W GQ / NZXT H5 Flow

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19 minutes ago, PopsicleHustler said:

I don't think it would benefit games like LoL or CS GO, I would save up and get Ryzen 300 series chip when it comes out early next year.

Thank you, sir.

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8 minutes ago, TheMakakiMonkey said:

Thank you, sir. Just last one, if you don't mind, any particular reason why it would be better to air on the side of having a slightly worse cpu (but much cheaper) but a lot better motherboard (slightly more expensive) than vice versa?

Because future proofing? With your motherboard, what choice do you have for future upgrades? That i5 7400 isn't that powerful, so what path do you have? You cannot get 7700k because of locked chipset. With B450 board however, you will have an option to upgrade to Ryzen 3000 series next year, and that will last you a few years.

Main system: Ryzen 7 7800X3D / Asus ROG Strix B650E / G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO 32GB 6000Mhz / Powercolor RX 7900 XTX Red Devil/ EVGA 750W GQ / NZXT H5 Flow

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28 minutes ago, TheMakakiMonkey said:

For the first, well, that's probably why I'm asking for advice ?

As to RX570, why though? 1060 3gb outperforms it mostly, no? 

https://www.techspot.com/review/1660-geforce-gtx-1060-3gb-vs-radeon-rx-570-4gb/

and https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1060-3GB-vs-AMD-RX-570/3646vs3924

 

PSU is the least of my worries, as it is not super expensive anyways, but I just got the model name. fsp-460-60hcn. 

RX 570 performs (on average) the same as 1060 3gb, that is until the game uses more than 3GB but less than 4GB of video memory. The games tested in the review you linked is rather old and Geforce cards do better with older DX11 API than Radeon cards. Things go the other way with newer DX12 and Vulkan API though.

 

userbenchmark only takes synthetics as results, so not ideal to compare cards of a different architecture in gaming performance 

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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15 minutes ago, PopsicleHustler said:

Because future proofing? With your motherboard, what choice do you have for future upgrades? That i5 7400 isn't that powerful, so what path do you have? You cannot get 7700k because of locked chipset. With B450 board however, you will have an option to upgrade to Ryzen 3000 series next year, and that will last you a few years.

Yup, edited before you replied, as I agree Ryzen definitely way to go here. And as far as I understand, 1400 will have pretty much the same performance as 1600 in the games I mentioned, and not that much of a difference in other games as well to spend the extra money. According to you and 

 Few exceptions in games like GTA V I guess it makes a difference, but still, not that much.

 

Thank you a lot. 

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