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Samsung has released A8s with Front Camera inside the screen

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4 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

BUT NO HEADPHONE JACK

NO HEADPHONE JACK
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JACK

It was only a matter of time. These companies have no identity, they all just copy each other.

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If the absence of a headphone jack is indicative of what you can expect on the Galaxy S10... oh, the uproar we're going to see here.

 

There are so many people who act like Samsung is their loyal friend, like it's ideologically tied to the headphone jack.  Surprise: Samsung is a company, it just cares about the bottom line.  Not only that, but it's a company known to explicitly copy Apple, even down to seemingly trivial things (remember how Samsung Wallet sure looked a whole lot like Apple's Passbook at the time?).  If you're surprised that Samsung would mimic something Apple did, you haven't been paying attention since 2010.

 

It'll be interesting to see what the 3.5mm diehards do if that happens.  Will they flock to LG (assuming it doesn't follow suit) or some other relatively neglected brand?  Will they make an unrealistic promise to hold on to their phones for as long as possible until Samsung "wises up" (which is probably not happening)?  Or will they contort themselves into logic pretzels trying to claim that Samsung's removal of the headphone jack is a wise decision, but Apple's is somehow an egregious mistake?

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It sounds like I'm in the minority here but honestly I would prefer a teardrop notch like what the 6T or PH-1 has. By leaving space between the camera and top that's display you're increasing how much vertical space has part of it that's covered. The difference is minor but if we're already talking about bezel vs notch it is something worth mentioning.

35 minutes ago, Shorty88jr said:

It is a big deal especially to me I own hundreds of dollars worth of audiophile gear that I'm not replacing with Bluetooth stuff. They don't make high end audio with Bluetooth why because Bluetooth ruins audio quality. Even the best Bluetooth quality isn't close there is an audible difference. 

While there certainly are people out there like you that have expensive audio gear requiring a headphone jack, the fact or the matter is that that's a very small minority of users. For the vast majority, the loss of the jack isn't that big of a deal, because they'll either just use the built in adapter (and really, the only disadvantage to this is not being able to charge and use the jack) or just buy Bluetooth headphones.

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6 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

BUT NO HEADPHONE JACK

NO HEADPHONE JACK
NO
HEADPHONE
JACK

Funny considering how much they made fun of Apple at press events and it commercials. Hypocrites 

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Just now, BuckGup said:

Funny considering how much they made fun of Apple at press events and it commercials. Hypocrites 

well, they are kinda like google now too...

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1 hour ago, Commodus said:

It'll be interesting to see what the 3.5mm diehards do if that happens.  Will they flock to LG (assuming it doesn't follow suit) or some other relatively neglected brand?  Will they make an unrealistic promise to hold on to their phones for as long as possible until Samsung "wises up" (which is probably not happening)?  Or will they contort themselves into logic pretzels trying to claim that Samsung's removal of the headphone jack is a wise decision, but Apple's is somehow an egregious mistake?

I'd just like to point out that I think it's perfectly reasonable to be mad at Apple for removing it, and not care as much for Samsung removing it. 

Why? 

 

Apple removed it and pushed their own proprietary standard (Lightning) which isn't even consistent across their own ecosystem (can't use lighting headphones on their Macs). 

If Samsung removes it it will push USB headphones. 

 

 

And I'd like to add that both USB C and lighting headphones are trash and inferior to 3.5mm in several ways. 

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Just now, LAwLz said:

I'd just like to point out that I think it's perfectly reasonable to be mad at Apple for removing it, and not care as much for Samsung removing it. 

Why? 

 

Apple removed it and pushed their own proprietary standard (Lightning) which isn't even consistent across their own ecosystem (can't use lighting headphones on their Macs). 

If Samsung removes it it will push USB headphones. 

 

 

And I'd like to add that both USB C and lighting headphones are trash and inferior to 3.5mm in several ways. 

Well, that's more of an inconvenience than a tremendous outrage, but I know what you mean.  I'm curious to see if Apple goes USB-C on the 2019 iPhone given that the iPad Pro went that route.

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the interesting thing is how many people here are upset about there being no headphone jack. i've had a good bluetooth headset for a while now.. i never use a headphone jack anymore, except for my main setup, because bluetooth has a delay, which is not good for gaming... 

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20 hours ago, firelighter487 said:

the interesting thing is how many people here are upset about there being no headphone jack. i've had a good bluetooth headset for a while now.. i never use a headphone jack anymore, except for my main setup, because bluetooth has a delay, which is not good for gaming... 

People will stop complaining, when a new lossless, properly made, wireless signal is made.

Bluetooth has a lot of compression, it was never made for audio streaming. It was made for small file transfer. Audio streaming has been tacked on.

And that is also ignoring the heavy latency it has, so if you watch video with Bluetooth speakers/headphones you have a nice noticeable sync issue. Of course, that has been patched via another workaround mess patch and called "aptx low latency Bluetooth". The whole standard is a mess. It should be scrapped, and remade for today's world and needs with headroom for the future. If you wonder, Bluetooth 1.1 is from 2002. It reflected the world it was in. That was Phone to PC or Phone to Phone file transfer.

 

That is why Apple made its own wireless standard for the iPhone (well, they use a custom modified Bluetooth where it focuses wireless headphone for easy pairing and improve audio streaming quality and latency.. so still not ideal, as you still have compression, but less of it, and is something).

 

Another option, is 2x USB Type-C connector at the bottom, or one at the top and one at the bottom. Whatever the case, 2 connectors.

But manufacture don't want to do it, as it costs money. The removal of the headphone plug is nothing more than cost cutting... which is fine is our phones costs less, but no, now they cost more than a nice ultrabook. Any other excuse is B.S. Like AAA game companies going "we make no money on games, that is why we need to put DLC and micro-transaction!!!" while trying to fit their billion of dollars in their pockets in front of you.

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3 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

That is why Apple made its own wireless standard for the iPhone. 

First time I've heard of this, and can't find anything about it on Google. 

Do you have some link where I can do further reading? Maybe a name of the standard? 

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2 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

First time I've heard of this, and can't find anything about it on Google. 

Do you have some link where I can do further reading? Maybe a name of the standard? 

Apple's standard is just a proprietary protocol that runs on top of a custom bluetooth chip that Apple calls the W1 SoC.

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6 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

First time I've heard of this, and can't find anything about it on Google. 

Do you have some link where I can do further reading? Maybe a name of the standard? 

 

Just now, Drak3 said:

Apple's standard is just a proprietary protocol that runs on top of a custom bluetooth chip that Apple calls the W1 SoC.

No, Apple just uses Bluetooth. They use the W1 for seamless pairing, iCloud sync and whatnot, but fundamentally it works over Bluetooth itself

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17 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

First time I've heard of this, and can't find anything about it on Google. 

Do you have some link where I can do further reading? Maybe a name of the standard? 

Apple W1 chip. While based on Bluetooth, it is specifically been modified to handle AAC stream, and modified for super easy pairing, and be low powered (probably because they can optimize it to handle only audio streaming). While AAC loosely compressed, the stream is loseless, removing 1 compression layer, which "normal" Bluetooth may (and usually does) have.

 

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7 hours ago, VegetableStu said:

I want to see what the companies are seeing to compel them to disregard the headphone jack o_o like is it the waterproofing, or is it not many people listen to music on their devices, or WHAT IS IT MAN

 

If they found out that more people are using wireless headphones than wired ones, then it's low hanging fruit to shave off a couple of pennies.

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1 minute ago, VegetableStu said:

fair, although I'd like to see the numbers from a survey or something o_o I think I see more people with wired headphones than wireless ones in the commute (although can't help but notice apple's airpods are quite striking visually)

Survey?

 

They'll just send telemetry data to the mothership :P

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I, personally, wouldn't mind bezels. Half the time I would accidentally touch the screen, but I use both hands for using a phone so it shouldn't really matter... Right?

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1 hour ago, Drak3 said:

Apple's standard is just a proprietary protocol that runs on top of a custom bluetooth chip that Apple calls the W1 SoC.

1 hour ago, GoodBytes said:

Apple W1 chip. While based on Bluetooth, it is specifically been modified to handle AAC stream, and modified for super easy pairing, and be low powered (probably because they can optimize it to handle only audio streaming). While AAC loosely compressed, the stream is loseless, removing 1 compression layer, which "normal" Bluetooth may (and usually does) have. 

That's just standard Bluetooth A2DP. My Android phone can do that as well.

Nothing proprietary about it.

 

 

Totally agree with the rest of your original post though. Removal of the 3.5mm headphone jack is just cost savings. There is no good reason for it.

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Yeah, this can be done well... chances it is not? XD Just as the Notch could be done well on the Apple devices but was NOT... fail. [Facepalm Smiley]

 

Ok, this is how it should be done, notch and/or in screen "hole" camera etc. The portion that has a notch or camera should be at the top or bottom edge/side and ONLY use that area for GUI space and backgrounds/screensavers. Never use it for content, such as photo/image/video/web browsing mode. It would still be "useable" real estate, for notifications, possibly website addresses, playback/volume notifications, battery/signal etc etc. Hundreds if not thousands of uses.

 

You know 1 thing out of those thousands of uses it should not be used for? Well, it's really simple, all you need to do is... oh...:

 

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NOOOO!!!!

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(I can forgive the bezeled corners as this does not block content, but through hole camera or notch WILL... so don't do it Industry [realises it's too late anyhow]!!!)

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26 minutes ago, TechyBen said:

(I can forgive the bezeled corners as this does not block content, but through hole camera or notch WILL... so don't do it Industry [realises it's too late anyhow]!!!)

Not with software where it doesnt let the app go past the notch. Basically replaces a notch with a bezel for certain content. Nothing wrong with that.

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IMO like that dual screen, it could have both shooters on that side, so whether taking normals or selfies the cameras are both that side, solves the notch problem. Then that second screen only has to be used for selfies so you could get away with a much lower res screen to view it on as you're likely to be that much closer to your subject matter.

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17 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

BUT NO HEADPHONE JACK

NO HEADPHONE JACK
NO
HEADPHONE
JACK

 

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Screens- Acer preditor XB241H (1080p, 144Hz Gsync), LG 1080p ultrawide, (all mounted) directly wired to TV in other room

Stuff- k70 with reds, steel series rival, g13, full desk covering mouse mat

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Stuff- Epicgear defiant (solderless swappable switches), g600, moutned mic and other stuff. 

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13 hours ago, Commodus said:

If the absence of a headphone jack is indicative of what you can expect on the Galaxy S10... oh, the uproar we're going to see here.

Rumor has it that the S10 may still have the headphone jack, at least according to OnLeaks. Take it with a grain of salt, but the guy also has a solid accuracy track record. 

 

13 hours ago, Commodus said:

It'll be interesting to see what the 3.5mm diehards do if that happens.  Will they flock to LG (assuming it doesn't follow suit) or some other relatively neglected brand?  Will they make an unrealistic promise to hold on to their phones for as long as possible until Samsung "wises up" (which is probably not happening)?  Or will they contort themselves into logic pretzels trying to claim that Samsung's removal of the headphone jack is a wise decision, but Apple's is somehow an egregious mistake?

I'll just hold onto my Note8 for a while longer. I still don't like the trend as I still think it's silly and overly premature. At the same time, I have the 1000XM2, which should make the transition a little less painful (had tried the dongle life and hated it) 

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what's the sudden massive aversion to bezels of any kind? first the notch and now under screen everything. i've never used  phone thinking "i wish the entire phone was a screen"

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