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Why laptop manufacturers dont use smartphone camras?

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Why laptop manufacturers  dont use smartphone camras?
why are mach better quality... 

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A decent laptop already costs 500+, and that's just for a normal office work use. Flagship smartphones are costing up to 800-1100 now and a big part of it is due to the camera tech included. So unless you want to pay a grand for a sub-par laptop with a 12mp camera...be my guest

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I agree with @firelighter487 they do it to cut cost  just like  the speakers on a modern TV  its dosent  add enough profit to justify the additional cost. Also they assume that if you want better video quality you will buy a better dedicated camera or just use your smart phone. 

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For budget tier laptops, the cost argument makes sense. But premium or gaming laptop should have the option for camera tech from a phone. We're talking the front facing camera here, not the rear. The cost for a part like that, in a more expensive overall machine, should not be significant. 

The way I see it, the real reason is a combination of % of users that would appretiate it(relatively small), and the fact that they can extort more out of those users by making them buy the peripheral seperately. Companies sell webcams standalone that can go over a hundred Rupees*, but probably wouldn't be leaps and bounds over the one above the screen on your phone if it's a current model. It sounds a bit 'conspiracy theory' I know, but if a company that makes phones AND laptops like say, Samsung, were to make a business laptop with a decent webcam, it would be a lead selling point I'm sure. That's a scenario where a good webcam option would sway buyers.

My 2+ year old phone has a front facing camera miles better than 95% of laptop webcams. It's not simply cost of parts that's stopping them. The problem here like I say, is the number of people that would actually make use of such a camera.

But then...if your laptop had a better camera, would you use it more?? Interesting thoughts.

 

*replace rupees with your chosen currency. Unless you actually use Rupees. Then don't. Oh remember exchange rates they're important. Actually you can see my point without any of this crap. Stop reading. lalalala.


 

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@ELSknutson first

lets talk about the tv thing what you sad 
TV manufacturers cant make better quality speekers if the tv consumers request thin televisions
like LG SIGNATURE OLED TV that linus as in the offece with the external speakers... its an expensive tv!!! and the speekers are outside because you cant have it all.


@DVA second  the image that i uploaded is a consumer price (37$ for iphone 8 camera) so you can imagine  that for ASUS/Apple or whatever company will be ways cheaper!


@Ross Siggers agree! 

 

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@ELSknutson 

again its aesthetics compromis 

and if you will remove the tin foil hat you will look pass this argument XD 

so what is your point??

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14 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Besides that, the chassis on laptops don't lend itself very well to allowing higher grade optics, making using better sensors kind of moot.

I don't know about that.

 

Modern laptop lids can be thinner than phones, sure, but that's because they don't have to fight other components for space like a phone does. Multiple cameras back to back? An earpiece speaker? Maybe even a circuit board...If you can fit multiple lenses into a notch on a phone, you'll have no issues with a laptop bezel.

 

1 minute ago, NaorG said:

@ELSknutson 

again its aesthetics compromis 

and if you will remove the tin foil hat you will look pass this argument XD 

so what is your point??

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I'm protected 'cause I made this hat...from aluminium FOOOIILLLLLLLLL

 

4 minutes ago, NaorG said:

 

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And that's a rear camera, so a front facing one will probably be cheaper...and if you're making a bulk stock order, even cheaper still...


 

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15 minutes ago, NaorG said:

@ELSknutson 

again its aesthetics compromis 

and if you will remove the tin foil hat you will look pass this argument XD 

so what is your point??

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If it was just an aesthetic compromise then they would include High end soundbars or speakers with tv just like the LG tv you mentioned but TVs dont. Why because the return on investment is not worth the extra hassle. The LG TV you noted runs from $2000.00  $10,000 USD  so with those prices they can eat the cost of the sound bar. And Im not disagreeing with you that the form factor is not part of the issue but regardless of how thin the TV is you need sound.  As far as the camera  adding an additional camera that cost  $20.00 vs. one that cost $5.00 for us is very little but to a major manufacture that cost  Is millions of dollars all for a thing that most people either dont use or cover up with tape. that additional money would be better used adding to things that most consumers look at like Ram, Graphics, or Storage.  What would you rater have  a 1000.00 laptop with a decent camera  or a 1000.00 with a larger SSD  

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dell ships somewhere around 10 million laptops a year  and if you add a .25 cent increase to something that most people dont care about that and aditional cost to the company of 2.5 million dollars. 

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1 minute ago, ELSknutson said:

dell ships somewhere around 10 million laptops a year  and if you add a .25 cent increase to something that most people dont care about that and aditional cost to the company of 2.5 million dollars. 

1,0*10^7*$2,5*10^-3=$2,5*10^4=$25k

With $0,25, yes, that would be $2,5 million. 

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Among the things I do with a brand new laptop for myself is delete all camera drivers and software so it's unusable, enough of that whole spying on others deal while yeah I have never had use for it.

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38$ for a camera is very expensive.

Webcam are not valued by most consumers. They just need something for Skype or whatever, that is all.

And most reviewers don't care. They'll mark it as a downside if you don't put it, so that means lower score, and so they put the cheapest thing that they can get away with.

I recall Dell even sold business class where the webcam is optional extra.

 

Take this way: Motherboard manufacture on the PC custom builder space don't bother putting a 5$ sound chip. They opt for 0.50$ to 2$ solutions. Why?

  • Reviewers don't care
  • Consumers don't care nor see value in.  Which motherboard has RGB and which one is the cheapest for the CPU/GPU they want to put it (and has the connection they need, like NVMe, # of SATA ports, etc).

The same principal can be applied to everything.

  • Case USB ports from connection, to attention to detail... you have little to none even on premium cases
  • Laptop speakers, beside Apple, PC manufactures don't really care. They might market it on gaming PCs, or rent the name of a company like HP likes to do, but it is still garbage.. maybe a tad better than the normal garbage.
  • Shitty LCD panels in laptops (although that is disappearing, helped with the continuous lowering cost of entry level IPS panels)

and more.

 

 

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@ELSknutson

today you can chose what (the prices just for visual)

CPU to get with your laptop

  •  i5  
  • i7 +200$
  • Ryzen 7 +150$

or how match ram you get

  • 8G
  • 16G +25$
  • 32G +50$

and how mach storege

  • 500G SSD WITH 1T HDD +200$
  • 250G SSD WITH 1T HDD +100$
  • 128G SSD WITH 1T HDD

Why not a camera option?

@Princess Cadence what if you had an option to not include a camera and maic?  

@GoodBytes

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5 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Among the things I do with a brand new laptop for myself is delete all camera drivers and software so it's unusable, enough of that whole spying on others deal while yeah I have never had use for it.

But it is fine on your phone.

And the most important part.. the microphone you ignore.

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A webcam is a checkbox, 95% of people aren't comparing webcam quality when shopping laptops. So why not cheap out?

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3 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

But it is fine on your phone.

And the most important part.. the microphone you ignore.

I use the microphone though and it might surprise to you I barely if at all talk, at least in front of my device.

 

Might be surprise you even more but I literally only use my cellphone at service, never at home since I have the habit of favoring my PC/Laptop for every thing my phone does.

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1 minute ago, NaorG said:

@ELSknutson

today you can chose what (the prices just for visual)

CPU to get with your laptop

  •  i5  
  • i7 +200$
  • Ryzen 7 +150$

or how match ram you get

  • 8G
  • 16G +25$
  • 32G +50$

and how mach storege

  • 500G SSD WITH 1T HDD +200$
  • 250G SSD WITH 1T HDD +100$
  • 128G SSD WITH 1T HDD

Why not a camera option?

 

Because most cameras are molded into the bezel of the screen and  to change it would require several different bezel configurations also ssd, and ram are hot swap able and are usualy easy to change. Also the CPU ram and storage are the main selling point of the laptop. 

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5 minutes ago, NaorG said:

@Princess Cadence what if you had an option to not include a camera and maic?  

Since I have no use for those (I have a great headset for mic) and I literally never used any camera in any laptop ever, yes I wouldn't mind buying a model that didn't feature those to save a buck.

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