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Hi so I have a 6700k and a Z170-A I am not getting the performance that I want so I was wondering if it is worth upgrading to the new z390 chipset or wait for intels 10th gen cpu's. If i do replace the motherboard can someone tell me what steps I should take to make sure my os doesnt go crazy like activation or chipset drivers from z170 conflicting with the z390 chipset drivers things like that thanks!

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Are you looking for gaming performance or some production workloads? Also, what's your gpu? It might not be up to snuff

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k (won) - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

Linux Proliant ML150 G6:

Dual Xeon X5560 - 24GB ECC DDR3 - GTX 750 TI - old Seagate 1.5TB HDD - dark mode Ubuntu (and Win7, cuz why not)

 

How many watts do I need? Seasonic Focus thread, PSU misconceptions, protections explainedgroup reg is bad

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34 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

Are you looking for gaming performance or some production workloads? Also, what's your gpu? It might not be up to snuff

I ahve a GTX 1080 and I do the occasional streaming on twitch

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Just now, Randomizer23 said:

I ahve a GTX 1080 and I do the occasional streaming on twitch

For streaming, an upgrade to an i7 8700k or better will help a lot. 

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k (won) - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

Linux Proliant ML150 G6:

Dual Xeon X5560 - 24GB ECC DDR3 - GTX 750 TI - old Seagate 1.5TB HDD - dark mode Ubuntu (and Win7, cuz why not)

 

How many watts do I need? Seasonic Focus thread, PSU misconceptions, protections explainedgroup reg is bad

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1 hour ago, fasauceome said:

For streaming, an upgrade to an i7 8700k or better will help a lot. 

Ok how should I upgrade? Look at my post i asked how I should upgarde my motherboard can you please answer that thanks.

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18 minutes ago, Randomizer23 said:

Ok how should I upgrade? Look at my post i asked how I should upgarde my motherboard can you please answer that thanks.

Can you wait another 10 months? Like is your PC as is right now gonna be okay for that long more?

 

Because it'll take us another 10 months now to have both AMD 7nm and Intel 10nm on the market to decide which one is the new king.

Personal Desktop":

CPU: Intel Core i7 8700 @4.45ghz |~| Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212X |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z370M D3H mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition GTX 1080 Ti |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.

Luna, the temporary Desktop:

CPU: Intel Core i7 10700KF @ 5.0Ghz (5.1Ghz 4-core) |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z490 UD |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX @ 2666Mhz CL13 |~| GPU: AMD Radeon RX 6800 (Reference) |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver)
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Just now, Princess Cadence said:

Can you wait another 10 months? Like is your PC as is right now gonna be okay for that long more?

 

Because it'll take us another 10 months now to have both AMD 7nm and Intel 10nm on the market to decide which one is the new king.

I mean i wasnt planning on upgrading like right now I was thinking like 6 months so yeah I can wait. Can you still answer my question about the motherboard chipset drivers and everythong in my post thanks.

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2 hours ago, Randomizer23 said:

wait for intels 10th gen cpu's.

If you can wait this will be the best move as you'll finally get the first 10nm line up opposes to 14nm++++

 

2 hours ago, Randomizer23 said:

my os doesnt go crazy like activation

Since you're going Intel to Intel you haven't to worry about Windows, just boot from your drive normally in the new system.

 

2 hours ago, Randomizer23 said:

chipset drivers from z170 conflicting with the z390 chipset drivers things like that thanks!

It won't because Windows has become great at one thing atlas! every time you try to boot with your boot drive on a new system, Windows will scan the new hardware, use compatible drivers and update through windows update any thing it needs while removing what become useless.

 

My current Windows 10 Pro system was originally "created" on an i7 6700 based system, which later become an i7 8700 nothing bad happened and I literally didn't do anything other than select the SSD as the boot drive on first boot after the hardware upgrade.

 

So don't stress over it.

Personal Desktop":

CPU: Intel Core i7 8700 @4.45ghz |~| Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212X |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z370M D3H mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition GTX 1080 Ti |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.

Luna, the temporary Desktop:

CPU: Intel Core i7 10700KF @ 5.0Ghz (5.1Ghz 4-core) |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z490 UD |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX @ 2666Mhz CL13 |~| GPU: AMD Radeon RX 6800 (Reference) |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver)
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Just now, Princess Cadence said:

If you can wait this will be the best move as you'll finally get the first 10nm line up opposes to 14nm++++

 

Since you're going Intel to Intel you haven't to worry about Windows, just boot from your drive normally in the new system.

 

It won't because Windows has become great at one thing atlas! every time you try to boot with your boot drive on a new system, Windows will scan the new hardware, use compatible drivers and update through windows update any thing it needs while removing what become useless.

 

My current Windows 10 Pro system was originally "created" on an i7 6700 based system, which later become an i7 8700 nothing bad happened and I literally didn't do anything other than select the SSD as the boot drive on first boot after the hardware upgrade.

 

So don't stress over it.

Wow we have come that far? lol thanks alot.

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I have swapped motherboards in the past without updating anything else (initially).  It worked once for me when i switched from the same mobo brand to the same mobo brand  even though the boards were years apart (dont remember chipsets at the time). it booted "normally" , then i updated the drivers and went on like nobody's business.  However I did a swap with different brands of mobos, and it scrambled all the data on the hd - lost everything.  Bear in mind though, that was WinXP/7 days.  

 

I have not tried this on Win 10 yet, but if it works like the above poster, then wow!  You are right - we have come THAT far!

 

For those who don't already  know this - you have to "activate" the F8 key boot function in Windows BEFORE you reboot...  Otherwise it is disabled.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Randomizer23 said:

I mean i wasnt planning on upgrading like right now I was thinking like 6 months so yeah I can wait. Can you still answer my question about the motherboard chipset drivers and everythong in my post thanks.

I have same hardware as you, tho I am very pleased with it paired with a gtx 1070...

But I will wait until we get a nice i7 8 core 16 thread or better,

 

This should happens with the next 10 nm series like Princess Cadence said !

 

CPU: Intel i7 6700K 4.5 ghz / CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i V2 / Board: Asus Z170-A / GPU: Asus Rog Strix GTX 1070 8GB / RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB DDR4 3000 mhz / SSD: Samsung 850 Evo 500 GB / PSU: Corsair RMx 850w / Case: Fractal Design Define S / Keyboard: Corsair MX Silent / Mouse: Logitech G403 / Monitor: Dell 27" TN 1ms 1440p/144hz Gsync

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4 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

 

My current Windows 10 Pro system was originally "created" on an i7 6700 based system, which later become an i7 8700 nothing bad happened and I literally didn't do anything other than select the SSD as the boot drive on first boot after the hardware upgrade.

 

So don't stress over it.

For my planned PC, would I be able to clone windows 10 to a newer ssd than install that in a new pc? I really don't want to buy a copy of windows 10.

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5 hours ago, mxk. said:

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If you clone a boot system that has a valid windows license key, it will also work perfectly fine, as long as the older one no longer gets used.

 

While there's only 1 system connecting to Windows Update with those credentials Microsoft won't bother you however you try cloning it to have 2 active windows system running off the same license then the moment both entries get to Windows Update Microsoft will kill (deactivate) one of them.

 

And from my personal experience messing with it, it's actually quite random which one gets nuked, like it doesn't really favor the older or newer.

Personal Desktop":

CPU: Intel Core i7 8700 @4.45ghz |~| Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212X |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z370M D3H mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition GTX 1080 Ti |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.

Luna, the temporary Desktop:

CPU: Intel Core i7 10700KF @ 5.0Ghz (5.1Ghz 4-core) |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z490 UD |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX @ 2666Mhz CL13 |~| GPU: AMD Radeon RX 6800 (Reference) |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver)
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17 hours ago, StabbyJohn said:

I have swapped motherboards in the past without updating anything else (initially).  It worked once for me when i switched from the same mobo brand to the same mobo brand  even though the boards were years apart (dont remember chipsets at the time). it booted "normally" , then i updated the drivers and went on like nobody's business.  However I did a swap with different brands of mobos, and it scrambled all the data on the hd - lost everything.  Bear in mind though, that was WinXP/7 days.  

 

I have not tried this on Win 10 yet, but if it works like the above poster, then wow!  You are right - we have come THAT far!

 

For those who don't already  know this - you have to "activate" the F8 key boot function in Windows BEFORE you reboot...  Otherwise it is disabled.

 

 

wait whats the f8 boot key thing and btw im switching from asus to asus

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On 12/4/2018 at 4:24 PM, Randomizer23 said:

wait whats the f8 boot key thing and btw im switching from asus to asus

 

There are many things on the computer that can only be done in SAFE mode.    It is basically windows, with minimal drivers loaded.  It allows you to do stuff that can't be done in normal  mode.  Just google "how to activate the F8 key in windows 10".   Once you activate it, you just hold down the F8 key while booting.  Gives you a lot more options/ability than that totally useless screen they replaced the F8 key with.    

 

IF you had done a motherboard swap without reformatting, booting windows into safe mode on your initial boot, and then installing the new drivers and erasing the old ones before booting will give you a much better chance of success (if it will work at all in this case) than not. 

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On 12/3/2018 at 4:31 PM, Princess Cadence said:

Can you wait another 10 months? Like is your PC as is right now gonna be okay for that long more?

 

Because it'll take us another 10 months now to have both AMD 7nm and Intel 10nm on the market to decide which one is the new king.

Can you wait another 10 months? 10 months isn't long enough. He should wait at least another 4 years before deciding. Heck why do any upgrades at all? Cause every 10 months theres something better right? Silly muggles not wanting to wait an entire year to upgrade.

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3 minutes ago, Starrynight said:

Can you wait another 10 months? 10 months isn't long enough. He should wait at least another 4 years before deciding. Heck why do any upgrades at all? Cause every 10 months theres something better right? Silly muggles not wanting to wait an entire year to upgrade.

Because the current gen intel processors are just a refresh of a refresh of a refresh of a refresh and they've pushed it to the limit. There's nowhere to go from here. It's like saying "Flying cars are 10 months away, should I replace my current working non-flying car with a brand new one or wait?"

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On 12/3/2018 at 5:06 PM, Randomizer23 said:

Hi so I have a 6700k and a Z170-A

I'm waiting for this one ?

 

 

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| GPU: MSI RTX 3080Ti Ventus 3X OC  RAM: 32GB T-Force Delta RGB 3066mhz |
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I'm not at all excited about 9th gen Intel.  There are some good deals now on 8th gen.  Microcenter has an i7-8700k for $300 in store right now.  I think that could give you a performance boost, without spending $550 on 9th gen i9, and would give you plenty of performance to hold out for the new Ryzen stuff AND Intel's response to Ryzen 3.  

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6 hours ago, Starrynight said:

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This was completely uncalled for, an i7 6700K based system is completely up-to-date also.

Personal Desktop":

CPU: Intel Core i7 8700 @4.45ghz |~| Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212X |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z370M D3H mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition GTX 1080 Ti |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.

Luna, the temporary Desktop:

CPU: Intel Core i7 10700KF @ 5.0Ghz (5.1Ghz 4-core) |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z490 UD |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX @ 2666Mhz CL13 |~| GPU: AMD Radeon RX 6800 (Reference) |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver)
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