[Mini News] Intel's Dual Core 10nm Cannon Lake NUC now available at major US retailers | Intel boosting GT0 10nm Canon Lake production?

[AlTech]

Anandtech reports that Intel's Dual Core 10nm Cannon Lake NUC is now available at major US retailers suggesting that Intel have boosted their 10nm production.

 

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Amazon, Newegg, and Walmart have started to sell Intel’s Crimson Canyon NUC that is based on Cannon Lake processors produced using the company’s 10 nm process technology. Availability of the NUC8i3CY-series UCFF PCs at major retailers indicated that Intel is making its 10 nm CPUs in rather sizeable volumes

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Intel's NUC8i3CYSM and NUC8i3CYSN UCFF PCs were announced several months ago and were available from smaller retailers, possibly because the volumes were not large. Availability at Amazon and Walmart indicates that Intel can now offer relatively large volumes of its chips produced at 10 nm node.

 

Definitely interesting to see production ramp up quite a bit. At this point I can only assume they've gotten this far because of the GT0 SKU aka lack of Intel iGPU.

 

Anandtech wrongly states that the Radeon 540 dGPU in the Canon Lake NUC has no VP9 support although it does since Polaris and newer have support for it.

 

My position on the Canon Lake NUC hasn't changed simply because recently I've used an older 4th gen dual core briefly and the experience just wasn't good enough.

[Fasauceome]

It's nice and all, but their roadmap still pushed the consumer socketed chips back a year.

3 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

they've gotten this far because of the GT0 SKU aka lack of Intel iGPU.

Hopefully. They should realize now that Ryzen's out that there's a market for no iGPU, which hey, maybe it's gonna make them cheaper too.

[AlTech]

18 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

It's nice and all, but their roadmap still pushed the consumer socketed chips back a year.

Yeah. We'll probably be getting 14nm on desktop until 2020 with Intel. By which point AMD will likely be at 7nm+

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Hopefully. They should realize now that Ryzen's out that there's a market for no iGPU, which hey, maybe it's gonna make them cheaper too.

For pre-builts and laptop there definitely is a need for iGPUs which is why AMD offers Ryzen APUs with Vega iGPUs.

 

The real question is whether they can drop them on K series desktop chips to decrease die size or just provide better yields.

[Fasauceome]

9 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

For pre-builts and laptop there definitely is a need for iGPUs which is why AMD offers Ryzen APUs with Vega iGPUs

They could do one of those neat polaris "Vega" graphics solutions like with the nuc

[AlTech]

2 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

They could do one of those neat polaris "Vega" graphics solutions like with the nuc

Using Intel HD Graphics on existing core i SKUs is presumably cheaper than licensing AMD's GPU tech for it.

 

And making a dedicated SKU just for a NUC seems like it would be expensive on Intel's part.

 

In that case it's probably best to use their existing graphics. 

[illegalwater]

It's about time Intel got a 10nm CPU on the market.. now if only it wasn't a 2C/4T part with a busted integrated GPU.

I'm excited to see what Intel can do once 10nm is fully functional and we get the real desktop/mobile parts.

[Fnige]

FINALLY!

[williamcll]

How is the cannon lake compared to AMD's lower end lineup?

[AlTech]

4 hours ago, williamcll said:

How is the cannon lake compared to AMD's lower end lineup?

Fairly mediocre considering the only Canon lake 10nm SKU is a dual core i3 with basically the same clocks as the kaby lake equivalent.

 

Any quad core APU like the R3-2300U should be able to beat it.

[williamcll]

2 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

Fairly mediocre considering the only Canon lake 10nm SKU is a dual core i3 with basically the same clocks as the kaby lake equivalent.

 

Any quad core APU like the R3-2300U should be able to beat it.

would it beat the athlon?

[AlTech]

13 minutes ago, williamcll said:

would it beat the athlon?

The Athlon 200GE? No way. The 200GE is clocked a lot higher (around 3GHz Vs around 2GHz)

[Taf the Ghost]

1 hour ago, williamcll said:

would it beat the athlon?

 

1 hour ago, AluminiumTech said:

The Athlon 200GE? No way. The 200GE is clocked a lot higher (around 3GHz Vs around 2GHz)

But you can run AVX512 code on it and do better than a 18c HEDT, or something like that.

[AlTech]

3 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

 

But you can run AVX512 code on it and do better than a 18c HEDT, or something like that.

No? I know it'd be able to do AVX512 but A) If you're buying a dual core Cannon Lake for AVX-512 then you're doing it wrong and B) I'm fairly sure it would be slower than Xeon or HEDT AVX-512 support.

[The Benjamins]

4 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

 

But you can run AVX512 code on it and do better than a 18c HEDT, or something like that.

CONFIRMED CANNON LAKE 10x FASTER THEN LAST GEN.

[Taf the Ghost]

2 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

No? I know it'd be able to do AVX512 but A) If you're buying a dual core Cannon Lake for AVX-512 then you're doing it wrong and B) I'm fairly sure it would be slower than Xeon or HEDT AVX-512 support.

Ian Cuttress has some benchmarks that show otherwise, but that's because Cannonlake has some further AVX512 extensions that don't exist in other versions of the Intel CPU skus. He posted it on twitter some months ago. I was cracking a bad joke about this Cannonlake SKU.

 

As a note, this technically released in Dec 2017. And they still can't yield a GPU on the original 10nm process.

[Taf the Ghost]

6 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

CONFIRMED CANNON LAKE 10x FASTER THEN LAST GEN.

It's the Nvidia "new dedicated hardware" thing where it's "10x faster!" _{(at this workload that already has special accelerators for but please don't mention that)}.

[AlTech]

12 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

CONFIRMED CANNON LAKE 10x FASTER THEN LAST GEN.

In some useless workload which 99.99999% of people who buy a CPU won't be using and don't care about.

[The Benjamins]

1 minute ago, AluminiumTech said:

In some useless workload which 99.99999% of people who buy a CPU won't be using and don't care about.

HOW CAN AMD EVER SURVIVE.

[williamcll]

On 12/4/2018 at 10:03 PM, VegetableStu said:

256 CORE EPYC KILL THEM BY PLAIDING THEM

Turn the vega chip into a CPU, go big or go home.

[williamcll]

31 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

2048 CORES REAL TIME RAYTRACING

considering some brand made a 8000 core 7nm CPU this isn't too far fetched