Ryzen 7 2700 or Intel Core i7-8700

[alpha10]

So I'm in the middle of deciding what cpu to get for my new pc build, and I want to stream and game at the same time. So should I buy a Ryzen 7 2700 or Core i7 8700?

I know that Ryzen 7 2700 wins over core i7 8700 over number of cores and threads but in terms of performance, the i7 would win right?

[Jurrunio]

No, when you do streaming 8700's performance falls apart. If only game then sure Intel is better, but without the ability to overclock the advantage isn't big anyway, especially relative to the price.

[Taf the Ghost]

18 minutes ago, alpha10 said:

So I'm in the middle of deciding what cpu to get for my new pc build, and I want to stream and game at the same time. So should I buy a Ryzen 7 2700 or Core i7 8700?

I know that Ryzen 7 2700 wins over core i7 8700 over number of cores and threads but in terms of performance, the i7 would win right?

As @Jurrunio points to, 6 cores isn't quite enough to handle games and a high quality stream. 8 cores is just the minimum opening amount for that. (This is why the 9900k is a good part, if hot, and there was a run on i9-7900X setups over the last year.)

 

If you want to game at whatever resolution 60 Hz well while streaming, you'll favor the 2700 over the 8700. The 9900k would work as well, but the price difference is large enough you should be able to purchase the next high-end Ryzen 3rd Gen in ~8 months plus the 2700 for the same cost. (Get the MSI Tomahawk motherboard for the 2700.)

[Starrynight]

Since this topic is related to my own question I was just about to make a thread on, what should I get for streaming and gaming. It's a tossup between the 2950x and the 7900x for me. Going with an RTX 2080TI all the rest of my build is sorted, I just don't know what CPU to get. Thoughts?

[Taf the Ghost]

1 hour ago, Starrynight said:

Since this topic is related to my own question I was just about to make a thread on, what should I get for streaming and gaming. It's a tossup between the 2950x and the 7900x for me. Going with an RTX 2080TI all the rest of my build is sorted, I just don't know what CPU to get. Thoughts?

7900X. Just be sure you either have a massive air cooler or at least a 240mm AIO. You need to overclock the Mesh as far as it'll go. The major problem with the Skylake-X is that the Mesh is slower than Ryzen's CCX communication. Unless you get a good OC on it, then it tends to go away, as the symmetric nature compared to Ryzen/Threadripper makes up for most of the issues. 7900X is still clock for clock slower than the Ring Bus-based Desktop in gaming, but we're talking a marginal amount.

 

Also, full set of Lanes HEDT platforms are generally just the best around for whatever else you might need in a system.

[alpha10]

On 12/3/2018 at 1:58 PM, Taf the Ghost said:

As @Jurrunio points to, 6 cores isn't quite enough to handle games and a high quality stream. 8 cores is just the minimum opening amount for that. (This is why the 9900k is a good part, if hot, and there was a run on i9-7900X setups over the last year.)

  

If you want to game at whatever resolution 60 Hz well while streaming, you'll favor the 2700 over the 8700. The 9900k would work as well, but the price difference is large enough you should be able to purchase the next high-end Ryzen 3rd Gen in ~8 months plus the 2700 for the same cost. (Get the MSI Tomahawk motherboard for the 2700.)

So a best cpu to basically game and stream at the same time, logically would be Ryzen 7 2700x right? Cause I can allocate some cores for streaming and some for gaming

[alpha10]

Speaking about it, I doubt a NZXT M22 can really provide the min cooling right? I mean dont plan to overclock it so much and so often. 

[Taf the Ghost]

41 minutes ago, alpha10 said:

So a best cpu to basically game and stream at the same time, logically would be Ryzen 7 2700x right? Cause I can allocate some cores for streaming and some for gaming

The actual best CPU to game & stream is likely the i9-7940X. Which is a 14c Intel HEDT part. The "best" Desktop CPU for gaming + streaming is the i9-9900k. The best Value CPU is the 2700X.  If the prices were close, I'd tell you to get the 9900k, but they simply aren't. If you were good with the used market, the cost difference between the 9900k and the 2700X is enough to get a 2600X and build a second system just for Stream Capture.

38 minutes ago, alpha10 said:

Speaking about it, I doubt a NZXT M22 can really provide the min cooling right? I mean dont plan to overclock it so much and so often. 

Because of the process node, the Ryzen 2700X and 2600X really can't be OC'd all that much. A decent Air Cooler will handle it fine, and the included air cooler is just fine as well. For the 9900k, the AIO is probably enough to run at the "stock" settings most motherboards put.