Advice on my build

[OttoVonBismarck]

Hey guys, just wanted some advice on what i've settled on for my current PC build.

 

What i currently have is:

 

Maximus VII Hero Motherboard

8gb Ram (2x4gb sticks) DDR3

i7 4790k (Not OC'd)

2x GTX 970 from MSI

and i think its a Nepton 240 cooler.

 

This is paired with a U3415W Dell Ultrawide at 3440x1440p and 60hz

 

the kind of gaming i want to do is 3440x1440 at 120fps in mainstream titles. i don't care about ULTRA settings in graphics, but more like high.

 

 

I'm planning to do a 2 step upgrade because reading and reading and reading CPU reviews and opinions and such has been doing my head in. 

 

Stage One:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-4790K 4 GHz Quad-Core Processor  (Purchased For $0.00) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML360R RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($179.00 @ BudgetPC) 
Motherboard: Asus - MAXIMUS VII HERO ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Storage: Samsung - 840 EVO 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11 GB STRIX GAMING Video Card  ($1299.00 @ Umart) 
Case: Cooler Master - MasterCase H500P Mesh White ATX Mid Tower Case  ($189.00 @ BudgetPC) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($146.00 @ IJK) 
Total: $1813.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-30 08:34 AEDT+1100

 

Then as well as that i want to pick up a high refresh rate (X34P or AW3418DW) ultrawide to go with the system. the 4790k is not overclocked but i will be attempting to push its overclock back up to wherever its highest stable point is

 

Stage Two would be to let intel and AMD fight out their renewed CPU war for another year and see what the new 10nm and 7nm offerings will be in 2019 as well as updating my motherboard and ram to go with it.

 

Does this sound like a reasonable plan in general? is there anything you'd change?

 

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7 minutes ago, OttoVonBismarck said:

Hey guys, just wanted some advice on what i've settled on for my current PC build.

 

What i currently have is:

 

Maximus VII Hero Motherboard

8gb Ram (2x4gb sticks) DDR3

i7 4790k (Not OC'd)

2x GTX 970 from MSI

and i think its a Nepton 240 cooler.

 

 This is paired with a U3415W Dell Ultrawide at 3440x1440p and 60hz

 

the kind of gaming i want to do is 3440x1440 at 120fps in mainstream titles. i don't care about ULTRA settings in graphics, but more like high.

 

 

I'm planning to do a 2 step upgrade because reading and reading and reading CPU reviews and opinions and such has been doing my head in. 

 

Stage One:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-4790K 4 GHz Quad-Core Processor  (Purchased For $0.00) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML360R RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($179.00 @ BudgetPC) 
Motherboard: Asus - MAXIMUS VII HERO ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Storage: Samsung - 840 EVO 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11 GB STRIX GAMING Video Card  ($1299.00 @ Umart) 
Case: Cooler Master - MasterCase H500P Mesh White ATX Mid Tower Case  ($189.00 @ BudgetPC) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($146.00 @ IJK) 
Total: $1813.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-30 08:34 AEDT+1100

 

Then as well as that i want to pick up a high refresh rate (X34P or AW3418DW) ultrawide to go with the system. the 4790k is not overclocked but i will be attempting to push its overclock back up to wherever its highest stable point is

 

Stage Two would be to let intel and AMD fight out their renewed CPU war for another year and see what the new 10nm and 7nm offerings will be in 2019 as well as updating my motherboard and ram to go with it.

 

Does this sound like a reasonable plan in general? is there anything you'd change?

 

3440x1440 at 120fps? Not sure if your 4790K will be capable of that. It's nearly 5 years old. If you want to do that sort of gaming the 4790K won't have enough power.

[LukeSavenije]

I hope you can get that 1080 ti cheaper than that. I would rather get a 2080 if you're actually paying that much for it. As for cooling I recommend a nh-d15 or a dark rock pro 4. The cooler master h500 is pretty cheap rn, maybe take a look at that?

Edited November 29, 2018 by LukeSavenije

[Turtle Rig]

9 minutes ago, 1kv said:

3440x1440 at 120fps? Not sure if your 4790K will be capable of that. It's nearly 5 years old. If you want to do that sort of gaming the 4790K won't have enough power.

Your right man, true very true,  But just FYI , my CPU OCed beats a 8700k stock in CPU Queen test and other tests it keeps up with the stock 87800k.  My CPU is 7 years old and I play @ 1080p  all nv panel options set to On, and set to max, vsync on as well... Quake Champions all on ultra high settings and resolution scaling to 110 @ 1080p and I get a constant 60fps.  I eventually wanna do 4k gaming but am not spending 1300 bucks on a freakin video card.  That is all the 2080 Ti can provide me with is 4k gaming and able to do high fps to keep up with 144hz display and what not.

[OttoVonBismarck]

4 minutes ago, 1kv said:

3440x1440 at 120fps? Not sure if your 4790K will be capable of that. It's nearly 5 years old. If you want to do that sort of gaming the 4790K won't have enough power.

i was under the impression that generally CPUs hadn't come very far since Haswell because Intel's been a bit lazy. Do you highly recommend an upgrade to like an 8700k, with the new mobo + ram or hold off until Intel / AMDs 2019 offerings?

2 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

I hope you can get that 1080 ti cheaper than that. I would rather get a 2080 if you're actually paying that much for it. As for cooling I recommend a nh-d15 or a dark rock pro 4. The cooler master h500 is pretty cheap rn, maybe take a look at that?

If i bought brand new, a 2080 is only like $100-200 AUD more than a 1080Ti. i think if i buy brand new i'll go for a 2080 and if i can find a good deal with someone who lets me go test their 1080Ti in person i'll go for the 1080Ti since i should get it for like.. $700-800 i'd assume. 

 

Checking out the cooling, i can get a NHD15 for $119, need to search for the dark rock though

 

 

 

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Just now, Turtle Rig said:

Your right man, true very true,  But just FYI , my CPU OCed beats a 8700k stock in CPU Queen test and other tests it keeps up with the stock 87800k.  My CPU is 7 years old and I play @ 1080p  all nv panel options set to On, and set to max, vsync on as well... Quake Champions all on ultra high settings and resolution scaling to 110 @ 1080p and I get a constant 60fps.  I eventually wanna do 4k gaming but am not spending 1300 bucks on a freakin video card.  That is all the 2080 Ti can provide me with is 4k gaming and able to do high fps to keep up with 144hz display and what not.

Up to about 1440p would probably be the limit with the 4790K. Overclocked might get up to 3440x1440 but I expect it wouldn't be a very pleasureable experience. 

[LukeSavenije]

2 minutes ago, OttoVonBismarck said:

was under the impression that generally CPUs hadn't come very far since Haswell because Intel's been a bit lazy. Do you highly recommend an upgrade to like an 8700k, with the new mobo + ram or hold off until Intel / AMDs 2019 offerings?

I would wait for the zen 2 chips at least. Intel will lauch another on the 14 nm or perhaps a 10nm node (7+14 combined)

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2 minutes ago, OttoVonBismarck said:

i was under the impression that generally CPUs hadn't come very far since Haswell because Intel's been a bit lazy. Do you highly recommend an upgrade to like an 8700k, with the new mobo + ram or hold off until Intel / AMDs 2019 offerings?

If i bought brand new, a 2080 is only like $100-200 AUD more than a 1080Ti. i think if i buy brand new i'll go for a 2080 and if i can find a good deal with someone who lets me go test their 1080Ti in person i'll go for the 1080Ti since i should get it for like.. $700-800 i'd assume. 

 

Checking out the cooling, i can get a NHD15 for $119, need to search for the dark rock though

 

 

 

I would go for AMD's offerings as you have an upgrade path. With Intel CPUs, they get outdated after 2 generations (so now 6th gen is outdated, that seems so weird to me. only feels like yesterday when they were announcing it). I wouldn't really be able to tell you if you should wait though as I don't really know how well Intel and AMD's current offerings perform (I have an i5-4460 atm lol). 

[Turtle Rig]

14 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

I hope you can get that 1080 ti cheaper than that. I would rather get a 2080 if you're actually paying that much for it. As for cooling I recommend a nh-d15 or a dark rock pro 4. The cooler master h500 is pretty cheap rn, maybe take a look at that?

WTF 1300 for a 1080 Ti.  Man these companies are ripping us off big time.  I can get a CPU and MOBO top notch for half that price.  Fuk the video card prices man, its all a profit for these companies ripping us off. THe 1080 Ti is how many years old ?  The 2080 Ti is how old ?  Yet the 1080 Ti price is close to a 2080 Ti price.  Which should not be the case.  The 1080Ti has to be 1000 if not less and a 2080 understandably should be 1200 to the door.  This is not the case tho as video card vendors are ripping us off selling the 2080Ti for hundreds more compared to MSRP set by nVidia and what not.  I mean really ?  1500 bucks for a dang video card... you can buy 2 freakin huge displays with that money and have money left over for a strip to vegas or something lol.

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1 minute ago, Turtle Rig said:

WTF 1300 for a 1080 Ti.  Man these companies are ripping us off big time.  I can get a CPU and MOBO top notch for half that price.  Fuk the video card prices man, its all a profit for these companies ripping us off. THe 1080 Ti is how many years old ?  The 2080 Ti is how old ?  Yet the 1080 Ti price is close to a 2080 Ti price.  Which should not be the case.  The 1080Ti has to be 1000 if not less and a 2080 understandably should be 1200 to the door.  This is not the case tho as video card vendors are ripping us off selling the 2080Ti for hundreds more compared to MSRP set by nVidia and what not.  I mean really ?  1500 bucks for a dang video card... you can buy 2 freakin huge displays with that money and have money left over for a strip to vegas or something lol.

 They only charge you that much because they think that if you can afford a card that expensive then you can probably afford the rest of the top-tier components to go with it. Oh, and because Nvidia don't really care about how much above MSRP they price the cards. 

[Turtle Rig]

2 minutes ago, 1kv said:

I would go for AMD's offerings as you have an upgrade path. With Intel CPUs, they get outdated after 2 generations (so now 6th gen is outdated, that seems so weird to me. only feels like yesterday when they were announcing it). I wouldn't really be able to tell you if you should wait though as I don't really know how well Intel and AMD's current offerings perform (I have an i5-4460 atm lol). 

I agree but disagree from experience.  My CPU beats a 8700k stock in CPU Queen test. and keeps up with other tests as well.  You must OC that 8700k to beat my CPU and not by a lot either.  Not noticeable in real world.

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Just now, Turtle Rig said:

I agree but disagree from experience.  My CPU beats a 8700k stock in CPU Queen test. and keeps up with other tests as well.  You must OC that 8700k to beat my CPU and not by a lot either.  Not noticeable in real world.

I mean as in terms of Intel's support. The i5-6600K is shown as discontinued at the moment on Intel ARK. After 2 generations Intel don't care about the consumer because they consider that 2 year old CPU obsolete trash. 

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Anyway, we're getting off track here. Sorry about that @OttoVonBismarck

The i7-8700K will probably be pretty good paired with a 1080 Ti, probably not good enough to get 120fps at 3440x1440 but still definitely a good experience.

[LukeSavenije]

7 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

WTF 1300 for a 1080 Ti.  Man these companies are ripping us off big time.  I can get a CPU and MOBO top notch for half that price.  Fuk the video card prices man, its all a profit for these companies ripping us off. THe 1080 Ti is how many years old ?  The 2080 Ti is how old ?  Yet the 1080 Ti price is close to a 2080 Ti price.  Which should not be the case.  The 1080Ti has to be 1000 if not less and a 2080 understandably should be 1200 to the door.  This is not the case tho as video card vendors are ripping us off selling the 2080Ti for hundreds more compared to MSRP set by nVidia and what not.  I mean really ?  1500 bucks for a dang video card... you can buy 2 freakin huge displays with that money and have money left over for a strip to vegas or something lol.

You know we're talking aus, not us?

[Turtle Rig]

1 minute ago, 1kv said:

Anyway, we're getting off track here. Sorry about that @OttoVonBismarck

The i7-8700K will probably be pretty good paired with a 1080 Ti, probably not good enough to get 120fps at 3440x1440 but still definitely a good experience.

No kidding really ?  That is not even 4k res.  What about a 2080 Ti can that run @ 2160p @ 144fps with a 144 monitor and never fall below 100fps ?

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Just now, LukeSavenije said:

You know we're talking aus, not us?

1300 aus is like 950 us dollars

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, 1kv said:

1300 aus is like 950 us dollars

Say hello to non-us pricing

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Just now, LukeSavenije said:

Say hello to non-us pricing

Lol yeah. 950 is still kinda expensive for a 1080 Ti though.. You can get a Gigabyte 1080 Ti here in the UK for like £570 (about $730 US)

 

4 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

No kidding really ?  That is not even 4k res.  What about a 2080 Ti can that run @ 2160p @ 144fps with a 144 monitor and never fall below 100fps ?

I actually had no idea this was under 4K res, sorry! The 1080 Ti should do alright then. As long as you don't put it under max load I'd say about 80-100fps average for most games which is pretty good.

[Turtle Rig]

2 minutes ago, 1kv said:

Lol yeah. 950 is still kinda expensive for a 1080 Ti though.. You can get a Gigabyte 1080 Ti here in the UK for like £570 (about $730 US)

 

I actually had no idea this was under 4K res, sorry! The 1080 Ti should do alright then. As long as you don't put it under max load I'd say about 80-100fps average for most games which is pretty good.

Same scenario can a 2080 Ti do 144fps locked and dips to 120 once in a while ?

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Just now, Turtle Rig said:

Same scenario can a 2080 Ti do 144fps locked and dips to 120 once in a while ?

Depends if it's casual gameplay or really high intensity stuff, but yeah it should do that sort of thing.

[Turtle Rig]

Id like to show off a bit.  My old 760 GTX lol did 1fps @ 4k resolution LOL...…

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Just now, Turtle Rig said:

Id like to show off a bit.  My old 760 GTX lol did 1fps @ 4k resolution LOL...…

Oh damn. My 960 just ran out of VRAM and overheated when I set it to 4K res lol.

[Turtle Rig]

1 minute ago, 1kv said:

Oh damn. My 960 just ran out of VRAM and overheated when I set it to 4K res lol.

LMAO

[OttoVonBismarck]

1 hour ago, 1kv said:

I would go for AMD's offerings as you have an upgrade path. With Intel CPUs, they get outdated after 2 generations (so now 6th gen is outdated, that seems so weird to me. only feels like yesterday when they were announcing it). I wouldn't really be able to tell you if you should wait though as I don't really know how well Intel and AMD's current offerings perform (I have an i5-4460 atm lol). 

Which offerings? I've heard that AMD generally does better with production kind of things as they push more cores/threads but Intel usually has them beat for gaming performance. But i'm totally open to AMD if they have a good CPU offering and thats part of why i'm quite interested to see the upcoming 2019 releases since AMD has finally forced Intel to start... doing things

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1 hour ago, OttoVonBismarck said:

Which offerings? I've heard that AMD generally does better with production kind of things as they push more cores/threads but Intel usually has them beat for gaming performance. But i'm totally open to AMD if they have a good CPU offering and thats part of why i'm quite interested to see the upcoming 2019 releases since AMD has finally forced Intel to start... doing things

AMD have a pretty good CPU offering. Intel generally does better for games but the difference is small enough you won't really notice it. 

I would go for Ryzen 7 2700/2700X if you need to play the games at said quality and resolution now, but otherwise if it's not a major concern then I would wait until Zen 2, which is the successor to Zen (what current Ryzen offerings are based on atm). Nobody has benchmark figures for Zen 2 yet so it's much too early to tell if Zen 2 is really a viable option at this point.