Samsung Brings Multi-terabyte SSDs at Accessible Price with 860 QVO

[matrix07012]

Samsung Brings Multi-terabyte SSDs at Accessible Price with 860 QVO
 

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Samsung Electronics, today unveiled its new consumer solid state drive (SSD) lineup — the Samsung 860 QVO SSD — featuring up to four terabytes (TB) of storage capacity with exceptional speed and reliability. Built on the company’s high-density 4-bit multi-level cell (MLC) NAND flash architecture, the 860 QVO makes terabyte capacities more accessible to the masses at approachable price points.

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Featuring sequential read and write speeds of up to 550 megabytes per second (MB/s) and 520 MB/s, respectively, the 860 QVO achieves the same level of performance as today’s 3-bit MLC SSD, thanks to Samsung’s latest 4-bit V-NAND and the proven MJX controller. The drive is also integrated with Intelligent TurboWrite technology, which helps to accelerate speeds while maintaining high performance for longer periods of time.

 

The 860 QVO will be available globally from December 2018, with a manufacturer’s suggested retail price (MSRP) starting at $149.99 for the 1TB model.

I got really excited when I saw this, since the 1TB SSD is cheaper than my 500GB 850 EVO when I bought it, but my excitement fell down because it uses QLC. I'm fairly skeptical of Samsung's "the 860 QVO achieves the same level of performance as today’s 3-bit MLC SSD" claim, because of Linus' video.

 

 

Sauce: https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-electronics-brings-multi-terabyte-storage-capacities-at-accessible-price-with-860-qvo-ssd / http://archive.is/CI3Rs

Edited November 28, 2018 by matrix07012
I confused QLC, TLC and MLC.

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, matrix07012 said:

but my excitement fell down because it uses MLC.

Dont abuse the term MLC. Your evo uses TLC.

[matrix07012]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

 Dont abuse the term MLC. Your evo uses TLC.

Ohhh, right. TLC is MLC. My bad. The 860 QVO uses QLC, but they don't call it "QLC".

[Sakkura]

4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Dont abuse the term MLC. Your evo uses TLC.

This one uses 4-bit MLC and his uses 3-bit MLC.

 

AKA QLC and TLC respectively.

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, matrix07012 said:

Ohhh, right. TLC is MLC. My bad. The 860 QVO uses QLC, but they don't call it "QLC".

At least I call it QLC. I even call 2 bit MLC (Pro models) DLC, even though people start the 'pay and download more SSD' joke

[RollTime]

14 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

I have a beef with this subject but I guess I don't have the power to influence things ._.

 

If you're talking about SSD naming conventions, they annoy me as well. Manufacturers trying to cloud their low-quality NAND with a new acronym just makes everything more confusing. Unfortunately, I don't see it changing any time soon, deceptive naming is a fairly standard practice even if it's dishonest.

[RejZoR]

Not that QLC tells anything at all to an average consumer who only looks at sequential speed and price only...

 

People like me who do extensive research and then pull a trigger on a 800€ SSD already know how to make research to find things out even if they are called QVO instead of QLC.

 

Fact is, 2TB SSD from Samsung for $300 is pretty damn sweet. Sure it's QLC, but it'll only suffer if you do ridiculous writes. Which is nothing casual users will ever experience.

[Sakkura]

7 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Fact is, 2TB SSD from Samsung for $300 is pretty damn sweet. Sure it's QLC, but it'll only suffer if you do ridiculous writes. Which is nothing casual users will ever experience.

We already have that though.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dQ66Mp/samsung-860-evo-2tb-25-solid-state-drive-mz-76e2t0bam

[RollTime]

5 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Not that QLC tells anything at all to an average consumer who only looks at sequential speed and price only...

 

People like me who do extensive research and then pull a trigger on a 800€ SSD already know how to make research to find things out even if they are called QVO instead of QLC.

 

Fact is, 2TB SSD from Samsung for $300 is pretty damn sweet. Sure it's QLC, but it'll only suffer if you do ridiculous writes. Which is nothing casual users will ever experience.

That's definitely true. I think that the perspective of the average forum user may not be the right way to look at this product. We're enthusiasts who do a lot of demanding compute tasks that normal users don't. We're also looking for the best performance and are willing to do a lot of research and perhaps spend more to get it. But when you consider that this is a 2TB SSD for $300 and look it at from a more normal perspective, it's great. Cheap, tons of storage, and it's still plenty fast for what they're doing. This is a good step in making SSDs a universal part of computers.

[Delicieuxz]

So, it's a budget-oriented alternative to the 860 EVO line?

 

The performance is about equal, though the warranty on the 860 EVO line is 5 years, compared to the QVO's 3 year warranty.

 

860 EVO sequential read / write: up to 550 MB / up to 520 MB

860 EVO random read / write: up to 98k IOPS / up to 90k IOPS

 

860 QVO sequential read / write: up to 550 MB / up to 520 MB

860 QVO random read / write: up to 97k IOPS / up to 89k IOPS

 

 

The 1 TB QVO's MSRP of $149 USD still isn't cheaper than the 1 TB EVO was (and currently still is) at $129 USD / $177 CAD for Black Friday sales. I wonder what the release of the QVO is going to do to EVO's prices, including during sales.

[RollTime]

14 minutes ago, Sakkura said:

We already have that though.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dQ66Mp/samsung-860-evo-2tb-25-solid-state-drive-mz-76e2t0bam

Apparently, QLC yields are really crappy. Also, this is the first in what will likely be a new product lineup of more affordable SSDs. We can anticipate 25% or more price drops as manufacturers tune production, and the next gen will probably be even cheaper.

 

Something else to consider is storage drives. QLC may be what finally replaces HDDs as cheap storage that doesn't need to be fast. We may see setups with a TLC boot drive and QLC for storage. Frankly, buying this drive might not be isn't the best idea. However, its a first-gen product. There's a lot of potential here.

[williamcll]

Is it possible to buy SLC SSDs on the market these days or are all TLC/QLCs are the SATA ssds and the MLCs are the NVMEs?

[IWannaBeUniqueMom]

Nice move from Samsung!

 

Kinda wants them to release ddr4 sticks at high speeds and low timings to help lower the prices

[jasonvp]

Have they announced the pricing for the other two drives?  I'm keenly interested in the 4TB one, but have only seen the $150 price listed for the 1TB.  Did I miss it somewhere?

[DocSwag]

That would be ok except that better TLC SSDs (860 evo and MX500 for example) are available for cheaper now...

2 hours ago, williamcll said:

Is it possible to buy SLC SSDs on the market these days or are all TLC/QLCs are the SATA ssds and the MLCs are the NVMEs?

I don't think there's any modern SLC SSDs available. Even MLC is getting rare: only a couple enterprise drives and Samsung Pro drives use it at this point. Most drives now are TLC

[Jurrunio]

2 hours ago, williamcll said:

Is it possible to buy SLC SSDs on the market these days or are all TLC/QLCs are the SATA ssds and the MLCs are the NVMEs?

I guess you need to be a company to have the budget and power to order some. After all there will be uses of super high durability SSDs, and if there's money companies will satisfy it.

 

1 hour ago, IWannaBeUniqueMom said:

Nice move from Samsung!

 

Kinda wants them to release ddr4 sticks at high speeds and low timings to help lower the prices

we're talking SSD, not RAM. They are made differently even though some technology are shared.

[Lady Fitzgerald]

4 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Dont abuse the term MLC. Your evo uses TLC.

4 hours ago, RollTime said:

If you're talking about SSD naming conventions, they annoy me as well. Manufacturers trying to cloud their low-quality NAND with a new acronym just makes everything more confusing. Unfortunately, I don't see it changing any time soon, deceptive naming is a fairly standard practice even if it's dishonest.

Samsung still calls their TLC and QLC drives MLC though they are the only manufacturer to do so. Technically, they are correct--MLC mean Multi Level Cell and originally only reffered to 2 bit cells--but at least they do define the TLCs as MLC as 2 bit MLC, TLC as 3 bit MLC, and QLC as 4 bit MLC.

2 hours ago, williamcll said:

Is it possible to buy SLC SSDs on the market these days or are all TLC/QLCs are the SATA ssds and the MLCs are the NVMEs?

There are still some Enterprise SLC SSDs but you wouldnn't want to pay for them, even if they would sell them to you.  You can still get MLC SATA SSDs; the Sammy 860 Pros are one example. You can also get TLC NVME SSDs.

[Jurrunio]

4 minutes ago, Lady Fitzgerald said:

Samsung still calls their TLC and QLC drives MLC though they are the only manufacturer to do so. Technically, they are correct--MLC mean Multi Level Cell and originally only reffered to 2 bit cells--but at least they do define the TLCs as MLC as 2 bit MLC, TLC as 3 bit MLC, and QLC as 4 bit MLC.

and then problems arise as people assume MLC = 2 bit MLC

[Lady Fitzgerald]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

and then problems arise as people assume MLC = 2 bit MLC

Agreed but Samsung is big enough, they pretty much can do what they want.

[S w a t s o n]

Some lazy ass marketers in south korea or something. "Hey guys we have this new ssd with quad level cells what shall we name it? Well we have the Evo and Pro lines, how can we fit QLC in there? Oh I know we'll just replace the E in EVO with Q, that's how that works right?? Evolution is now QVOLUTION"

[yian88]

Garbage because SATA unless NVMe.

NVMe drives are still too expensive maybe because of the controller/interface idk.

Show me Random 4K Read/Write speeds for 10-20GB transfers and then we can talk.

1G LPDDR4 for 1TB model and 4core MJX controller should be really good, my 850 EVO is best SSD, what i really like even more is 360TBW compared to 50-150TBW for 240-500GB models on the market from all manufacturers.

 

Anyway people complained a lot "WE WANT MOAR GB's CHEAP", there you go more GB's at lower prices... in QLC form, you happy now? i am. If we will ever have 2TB SSD QLC or TLC at same price of 2TB HDD  with that performance, hell ill take it anyday, any QLC/TLC SSD is 10 times better than an HDD of same capacity period, so complaining about dropping SSD performance while they increase capacity is pointless. With time and competition they will get better no doubt about that, first they will get worse as they increase capacity for lower price point markets and after a few years of competition performance will get incrementally better, remember how bad TLC's were when they were first  introduced? everyone avoided them and now samsung's evo's sit at the top of quality/performance drives with fucking TLC. I assume the same will happen with QLC first will be worse and gradually get better over the years.

[Agosto]

Sorry but I'm not going to buy a QLC drive. TLC already has a quite lor P/E cycle rating, QLC is below 1000. 

Future SSD-only systems (like 1TB standard SSD in laptops) will need enough reliability to enable the average user to have a good life expectancy from their drives; most people don't even know that SSDs have limited lifespan, let alone ways to reduce the writes on them.

[Heesleemer]

SSD only NAS here i come 

[Delicieuxz]

14 hours ago, yian88 said:

Garbage because SATA unless NVMe.

NVMe drives are still too expensive maybe because of the controller/interface idk.

 

The 1 TB Samsung 860 EVO NVMe version was the same price as the SATA version throughout this Black Friday sale. It might still be in some places.

 

Edit: It's an m.2 version, not NVMe.

[Spotty]

20 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

 

The 1 TB Samsung 860 EVO NVMe version was the same price as the SATA version throughout this Black Friday sale. It might still be in some places.

You're confusing the m.2 form factor for nvme. The 860 Evo comes in both 2.5" and m.2 form factor, but they're both SATA. There is no 860 nvme.