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Everyone Was Right About Tesla

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https://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/news/elon-musk-admits-everyone-was-right-about-tesla/ar-BBQ7OMT?li=AAggFp5&ocid=mailsignout

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Musk said in an interview with Axios that Tesla barreled toward the brink of insolvency during the Model 3 ramp, coming within “single-digit weeks” of death.

“Essentially the company was bleeding money like crazy,” Musk said. “And just if we didn’t solve these problems in a very short period time, we would die. And it was extremely difficult to solve them.”

Yup thats what happens with a company like Tesla, I think they could have went a different way without such extravagant vehicle processes, and went with a more streamlined approach, perhaps even an off the shelf approach with respect to the vehicle building itself.

 

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Nevermind that it was obvious to industry observers not even 18 months ago that Tesla’s decision to short-circuit longstanding processes to launch production of the Model 3 seemed short-sighted. Musk gambled, wreaked havoc on his company, brought it to the edge of death, and then spent most of this past year doing everything he could to make it even more difficult—from a dumb tweet that sparked an SEC probe and his removal as Tesla chairman, baselessly calling someone a pedophile, and continuously downplaying any criticism on workplace conditions or his repeated insistence the company won’t need to raise any new funding this year.

Well he is an eccentric fella, it seems his logical sense when it comes to assembly line of automobiles is a little frayed.

 

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No, what’s funny is Musk, in this interview, cops to something he flat-out said just wasn’t true only three months ago.

Per The Washington Post:

Musk reiterated that the company would “not be raising any equity at any point.” “Are we running low on money? The answer is no,” Musk said.

Yup, gotta keep that public image rolling, and the money flowing in!

No one wants to save a sinking ship, only the ship breakers smile!

 

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Musk doesn’t explicitly state when he believed the company was within “single-digit”

Who knows, this all could be a publicity stunt, a very bad one, more likely just spinning the turd. Any publicity is good I guess, but rumors of going under is not one to spread for PR, so the Spin Doctors are at work!

 

 

Telsa vehicles are not worth buying at all. I have watched Rich Rebuilds and seen him struggle through trying to buy parts for damaged Tesla's. The heaters eat through capacity like its an all you can eat buffet. The only upside are the private wrench spinners who can use Telsa's motors and batteries. It'd be interesting to see how the motors are made, perhaps tonight I will go a looking. Probably something very unique and that is why Tesla is failing hard! Uniqueness!

 

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At least they didn't ask to be bailed out by the tax payers......

Tesla is like Apple. The only news people care to report is bad because it gets more clicks. There are hundreds of electric car companies that startup and fail and no one hears about them. Yet Tesla manages to provide competitive cars against HUGE companies like Ford and GM that have been around since the late 1800s

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3 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

As GM lays of 14,000 people

True

 

Large trucks burning a ton of fuel when gas prices are going up up up up. I hope them unioners get large sums and atleast were forward thinking enough to get upgraded education while they were human robots.

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4 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

As GM lays of 14,000 people

GM like other car manufacture are unable to manufacture an electric car that brings anything but marginal profit. This is not helped with the fact that most consumers in US and Canada are buying big utility vehicles instead of sedans.

 

Tesla is the only car manufacture that manage to bring up to 30% profit on each Model 3 made. These number are only seen in gasoline powered engines cars.

This is also why so many investors are throwing money at the company. On top of that, it is a powerful car, long battery life, not a cheap interior, and safest vehicle on the road.

Yes, there is a lot for the company to improve to increase quality control, and optimize things to either make things even better (interior, for example), or cut the price of the car.

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8 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Tesla is like Apple. The only news people care to report is bad because it gets more clicks. There are hundreds of electric car companies that startup and fail and no one hears about them. Yet Tesla manages to provide competitive cars against HUGE companies like Ford and GM that have been around since the late 1800s

Not very competitive when Tesla can't deliver on their promised output of Model 3's, lots of issues as mentioned with build quality, nearly impossible to get aftermarket parts,and their cars are still really overpriced compared to other companies EV's. Perhaps Tesla should do like Apple did and stop publishing their sales numbers.

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26 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

As GM lays of 14,000 people

They did? After taking BILLIONS in bailout money too. GM and Chrysler are a disgrace to the automotive world.

 

I actually respect Musk and Tesla. Hes a lot better than the shit CEOs of bailout motors.

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25 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

GM like other car manufacture are unable to manufacture an electric car that brings anything but marginal profit. This is not helped with the fact that most consumers in US and Canada are buying big utility vehicles instead of sedans.

 

Tesla is the only car manufacture that manage to bring up to 30% profit on each Model 3 made. These number are only seen in gasoline powered engines cars.

This is also why so many investors are throwing money at the company. On top of that, it is a powerful car, long battery life, not a cheap interior, and safest vehicle on the road.

Yes, there is a lot for the company to improve to increase quality control, and optimize things to either make things even better (interior, for example), or cut the price of the car.

It will be interesting to see how they fare when the likes of Ford have electric and plug-in hybrid versions of every vehicle in their portfolio (Ford is aiming for 2021).

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Did you ever want the Unrepairability like apple

 

Did you ever want the issues like microsoft (poor 1809)

 

Did you ever want the overpriced products like apple

 

Did you ever want the build quality of many budget things

 

DID YOU EVER WANT EVERYTHING ABOVE

well... here is tesla

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6 minutes ago, Fetzie said:

It will be interesting to see how they fare when the likes of Ford have electric and plug-in hybrid versions of every vehicle in their portfolio (Ford is aiming for 2021).

At the end of the day Tesla will own the batteries. Mind you batteries currently account for ~$10,000-15,000 of the manufacturing cost of current Tesla vehicles. Other manufactures will be lucky to get similar sized batteries for ~$12,000-$18,000. Of course Tesla will have better margins than the competition. Who's to say Tesla won't optimize cost of manufacturing by that time? You're comparing 2021 (at the earliest) Ford vehicles to what's Tesla is producing today. Hopefully there will be stiff competition, but it doesn't look likely.

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4 minutes ago, SlimyPython said:

Did you ever want the issues like microsoft (poor 1809)

 

Did you ever want the overpriced products like apple

How is Tesla screwing these issues up? They don't seem overpriced and I'm not aware of an ongoing software catastrophe.

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18 minutes ago, ATFink said:

How is Tesla screwing these issues up? They don't seem overpriced and I'm not aware of an ongoing software catastrophe.

Yeah... overpriced isn’t a word that comes to mind when I think of Tesla. 

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39 minutes ago, Amazonsucks said:

They did? After taking BILLIONS in bailout money too. GM and Chrysler are a disgrace to the automotive world.

 

I actually respect Musk and Tesla. Hes a lot better than the shit CEOs of bailout motors.

They both paid those bailouts back long ago. Ford also was bailed out, and has not fully paid off its debts. Toyota was bailed out by the Japanese government, but they got double dinged by the recession and gas pedal recall. Nissan had a hefty loan to build an EV plant to build the Leaf. Tesla was also given a relatively small loan.

 

https://www.thebalance.com/auto-industry-bailout-gm-ford-chrysler-3305670

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2016/09/21/trump-should-be-asking-will-ford-pay-off-its-government-loan-before-moving-small-cars-to-mexico/#3a0e75af5e37

 

https://www.foxnews.com/story/toyota-seeking-government-bailout-in-japan

 

The problem with GM was even after post bailout restructuring, they still had too many models with not enough shared platforms. Could of saved a ton of jobs today if they had more shared platforms between sedans and crossovers. Also having 5 different sedans didn't help. Really terrible management. Tesla would be smart not to dig themselves that hole by creating a crossover based off the Model 3 platform. 

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You'd be surprised how many companies are a quarter away from insolvency, it's not actually that revealing

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I made a mistake.

 

The news story I watched on TV had the reporter in front of a plant which had big trucks behind the reporter. I come to learn now that the plant closing just built cars. This is why I do not like CBC reporting.

 

 

Well companies vs Major Corporations is totally different! Most companies fail in a matter of years, sooner if its managed wrong.

19 minutes ago, Yoinkerman said:

a quarter

 

 

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22 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

Not very competitive when Tesla can't deliver on their promised output of Model 3's, lots of issues as mentioned with build quality, nearly impossible to get aftermarket parts,and their cars are still really overpriced compared to other companies EV's. Perhaps Tesla should do like Apple did and stop publishing their sales numbers.

Yeah but Tesla hasn't been around long and is going completely against the grain

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1 hour ago, SlimyPython said:

 

Did you ever want the build quality of many budget things

I agree that Teslas are near impossible to repair like Apple products, but you accuse them of poor build quality when all of them have 5 star safety ratings? 

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3 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Tesla

They got great I.P.

Their circuits are masterpieces.

The way they put the inverter next to the motor. I never realized it was an inverter. I just assumed two motors.

 

 

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2 hours ago, vetali said:

They both paid those bailouts back long ago. Ford also was bailed out, and has not fully paid off its debts. Toyota was bailed out by the Japanese government, but they got double dinged by the recession and gas pedal recall. Nissan had a hefty loan to build an EV plant to build the Leaf. Tesla was also given a relatively small loan.

 

https://www.thebalance.com/auto-industry-bailout-gm-ford-chrysler-3305670

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2016/09/21/trump-should-be-asking-will-ford-pay-off-its-government-loan-before-moving-small-cars-to-mexico/#3a0e75af5e37

 

https://www.foxnews.com/story/toyota-seeking-government-bailout-in-japan

 

The problem with GM was even after post bailout restructuring, they still had too many models with not enough shared platforms. Could of saved a ton of jobs today if they had more shared platforms between sedans and crossovers. Also having 5 different sedans didn't help. Really terrible management. Tesla would be smart not to dig themselves that hole by creating a crossover based off the Model 3 platform. 

Did they really pay back tens of billions?

 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/conncarroll/2015/02/04/its-official-the-auto-bailout-cost-taxpayers-166-billion-n1952771

 

And i really laugh when they compare the $2 billion loan Toyota got compared to the like $80 billion for GM, Chrysler and Ford.

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42 minutes ago, Amazonsucks said:

Did they really pay back tens of billions?

 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/conncarroll/2015/02/04/its-official-the-auto-bailout-cost-taxpayers-166-billion-n1952771

 

And i really laugh when they compare the $2 billion loan Toyota got compared to the like $80 billion for GM, Chrysler and Ford.

Had to dig up a credible source, and it seems the missing money is from the Bush era where he hamfisted money to them. 

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4 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

GM like other car manufacture are unable to manufacture an electric car that brings anything but marginal profit. This is not helped with the fact that most consumers in US and Canada are buying big utility vehicles instead of sedans.

Could GM manage to be competitive if allowed to just go all in on off shoring all of it? The Japanese seem to be able to sell a lot of cars but they do take advantage of widespread manufacturing on the cheap for example here in Mexico. The US too but they have some funky rules about only some parts being allowed to be fabricated abroad and then other ones and assemble has to be in the states or something silly like that iirc (But I legit do not and might be way off the mark here though)

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Ya’ll know why I even talk about GM in the first place 

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6 hours ago, SlimyPython said:

Did you ever want the Unrepairability like apple

 

Did you ever want the issues like microsoft (poor 1809)

 

Did you ever want the overpriced products like apple

 

Did you ever want the build quality of many budget things

 

DID YOU EVER WANT EVERYTHING ABOVE

well... here is tesla

If you think a Tesla is budget quality you should see my Peugeot. Only things that works great are the parts not made in France. 

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