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    Uttamattamakin got a reaction from alifarshad275 in The ULTIMATE gaming bed   
    Love this video.  It looks like something nice and fun.   Most importantly it is not made of pure refined unobtainium*.  Everything about this is something anyone could do if they have the money and the inclination.   I was about to say that the one thing missing was a toilet .... 
     
    Next... how about a gaming treadmill? 
     
    *Stuff which if available at all is being sold for 200%- 300% markup.  Unobtainium should be the brand name for like the next line of GPU's or high end processors.  
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    Uttamattamakin got a reaction from Kanna in Fan Bearings wearing out in 10 series GPU fans as expected life time elapses. A GPUpocalypse?   
    Can't help myself.  I teach and research for a living.  Thanks for the feedback.  
     
    This is true.  Very few games are simply applying Newtons laws and the laws of optics to generate their worlds.  Instead they simulate them or approximate the motion.  To really apply those laws would mean a computer simultaneously solving many many differential equations.  One equation per physical object.  
     
    However, you do concede that the diminishing returns point does exist even if we aren't close to it?  In your opinion.
     
    As for the sound card thing.  There are physical limits to human hearing.  High quality digital recordings exceeded those limits long ago.   SOME have better hearing than normal.  
    https://scienceblogs.com/cognitivedaily/2007/11/30/few-listeners-can-distinguish
     
    By that same logic some people can see colors that normally can't be seen.  Some people can see a little bit of UV light.  Some others, certain women have four color sensitive cells in their eyes instead of three.    A lot more people think they are tetrachromates than really are though. 
     
    https://www.healthline.com/health/tetrachromacy  Supposedly they can see Millions more colors than normal.  Very few have been confirmed by examination.  So yeah there will be some for whom no simulation will be good enough. 
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    Uttamattamakin reacted to RejZoR in Fan Bearings wearing out in 10 series GPU fans as expected life time elapses. A GPUpocalypse?   
    Modern cards run passive when not under full load under normal conditions, meaning 3/4 of time they'll not even spin. With crypto mining, it means fan will run at all times. It's not a difficult math to do...
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    Uttamattamakin reacted to FakeKGB in Fan Bearings wearing out in 10 series GPU fans as expected life time elapses. A GPUpocalypse?   
    Not unless we make a big breakthrough on efficiency on hardware or software side.
    The power required to do something in software has always grown almost the same with the power required to make that happen with the hardware.
    Again, no this won't. There will always be a demand for higher-power chips, unless we figure out how to make them produce a fraction of the heat they do.
    Even so, you can find them.
    Took me 10 seconds to find one:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Graphics-Card-Fan-Replacement-for-GIGABYTE-N970-GTX1080-1080ti-Turbo-RTX-2080TI/264871095953?hash=item3dab8c2e91:g:8KsAAOSwV6VfZplN
     
    Now, if you'll excuse me, it's family dinner time.
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    Uttamattamakin reacted to Zodiark1593 in Fan Bearings wearing out in 10 series GPU fans as expected life time elapses. A GPUpocalypse?   
    I’d been hearing this a nearly decade ago (when the Ilano APUs were first coming out), and has yet to occur. If size differences on modern fabrication isn’t enough to dissuade this opinion, consider both the memory bus widths and memory itself common on high end cards. Wide memory buses are expensive, and GDDR memory is power hungry in return for what is effectively highly clocked Quad Data Rate RAM. Integrating GDDR memory onto a motherboard would heavily increase complexity. 
     
    Consider that we’ve just barely reached the point where real-time ray tracing is merely feasible, not even mentioning the fact that a true, unbiased renderer is very far away from running real-time, and game developers are rather ambitious people willing to push the bounds of what’s available, I find this to be unlikely for the foreseeable future, barring some potential circumstances...
     
    Real-time graphics is currently following the trajectory of offline techniques from the late 2000s, utilizing a mix of rasterization and ray trace techniques. If offline techniques stop advancing altogether, then the finish line for real-time will probably be a decade or so out from that, especially factoring in 120+ framerates that is demanded. Assuming technological advance keeps pace, which if not, is all the more reason for offboard GPUs to still be used (if anything, this would probably force multi-GPU to be adopted). 
     
     The other circumstance would be a technological stunting, brought on by customers having so little availability of GPU components that developers are literally forced to target iGPUs (and quite possibly last gen consoles) for their recommended spec. This would only be temporary until supplies improve however. 
     
    The apocalyptic situation would be for AMD and Nvidia to simply stop catering to gamers, and reserve their performant lineups (outside basic display adaptors) for their professional lineups, forcing gamers and developers to stuff it. Probably only realistic if GPU mining is to be a permanent factor or vendors are forced into lesser quantities of silicon (by government intervention perhaps?), as the professional market alone isn’t large enough to move a lot of chips and sustain Amd/Nvidia. 
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    Uttamattamakin got a reaction from Mark Kaine in Fan Bearings wearing out in 10 series GPU fans as expected life time elapses. A GPUpocalypse?   
    Thinking over the GPU shortage and it's effects on the industry last night on a visit to Micro Center it occurred to me that there is a critical issue no one is talking about.   Many of us who game or who just use a computer with a good graphics card from the 10 series have had them running 16-24 hours per day for up to 5-6 years now.  Some of them bought used after crypto mining. 
     
    The electronics on the cards are solid state non moving parts.  Whiley the can wear out due to thermal stresses, repeated power cycles etc a solid state device will more or less function as long as it has power and avoids physical destruction. 
     
    The bearings in the GPU fans are another matter.  Like all mechanical systems they wear out over time.  They have a certain design lifetime, and a certain design usage of so many hours before failure their  "Mean Time Between failures".  This is a spec people who computed when hard drives were all over the place will remember.  
     
    There is some pretty formal research on this issue in general. 
    How to evaluate fan life | Electronics Cooling (electronics-cooling.com) by Sung J. Kim and Alan Claassen IBM storage systems division. 
     
    Video Card Failure Rates by Generation (pugetsystems.com)  Matt bach of Puget systems
     
    Then FWIW there is this old thread from the before time 2018
    How long will a GTX 1080 last? - Graphics Cards - Linus Tech Tips  Where the opinion is given that it should last 6-7 years. 
     
    From what I can tell the Mean time between failures for a GPU fan or similar device of around 50,000 hours is considered acceptable.  That works out to 5.7 years and matches the general consensus from the above. 
     
    This may we will be reaching that 6 year mark for when one can expect their GPU fan failing or starting to show signs of failure, more noise, less efficiency even when cleaned well, or even being a total loss.   Which is even worse now since many are not running computers with some form of on board IGP, or APU, and have no fall back position. 
     
    Given the situation we are in right now with replacement GPU's rarer than hens teeth and all manufacturing slowed down are we all on borrowed time?   Are just feeling the start of a sort of GPU apocalypse? Can't buy one and the used ones are all mechanically ready to fail.  If so what should be done about it? 
     
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    Uttamattamakin got a reaction from Zodiark1593 in Nvidia cards official resellers are asking a possible adjustment of payment to users who ordered and payed the cards before 2021   
    The reseller is the issue not Gigabyte.  The reseller, or "broker"  if you will, is the one with whom they have a contract.  They are now either breaching that contract or they have a contract with terms no one should ever agree to.  
     
    Any reasonable pre order contract would provide for either delivery of the product or a refund after the price has been settled and the contract paid up. 

    One way that a business or professional could manage this situation would be to ... pre order and pre pay a premium price ... for guaranteed delivery of a card at some future date.  The broker could then profit by buying the card at a latter point at the lowest price they can.  Then pocket the difference. 
     
    What the OP is seeing is a reseller who wants to milk them for even more profit but not deliver a product.  That really should not be legal. 
     
     
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    Uttamattamakin got a reaction from DeadnightWarrior in what do u think?   
    This is very possible.  Though ... I'd guess that this could also be from cooking smoke.  That waxy buildup looks like the kind of thing that comes from a lot of frying of food. 
     
    Suppose the customer here lives in a small 200 ft studio with a kitchenette. They would be sleeping, eating, smoking, and everything else around their computer. 
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    Uttamattamakin reacted to Kanna in Fan Bearings wearing out in 10 series GPU fans as expected life time elapses. A GPUpocalypse?   
    You don’t post often but when you do damn is it educational and well written 
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    Uttamattamakin got a reaction from piratemonkey in Fan Bearings wearing out in 10 series GPU fans as expected life time elapses. A GPUpocalypse?   
    Thinking over the GPU shortage and it's effects on the industry last night on a visit to Micro Center it occurred to me that there is a critical issue no one is talking about.   Many of us who game or who just use a computer with a good graphics card from the 10 series have had them running 16-24 hours per day for up to 5-6 years now.  Some of them bought used after crypto mining. 
     
    The electronics on the cards are solid state non moving parts.  Whiley the can wear out due to thermal stresses, repeated power cycles etc a solid state device will more or less function as long as it has power and avoids physical destruction. 
     
    The bearings in the GPU fans are another matter.  Like all mechanical systems they wear out over time.  They have a certain design lifetime, and a certain design usage of so many hours before failure their  "Mean Time Between failures".  This is a spec people who computed when hard drives were all over the place will remember.  
     
    There is some pretty formal research on this issue in general. 
    How to evaluate fan life | Electronics Cooling (electronics-cooling.com) by Sung J. Kim and Alan Claassen IBM storage systems division. 
     
    Video Card Failure Rates by Generation (pugetsystems.com)  Matt bach of Puget systems
     
    Then FWIW there is this old thread from the before time 2018
    How long will a GTX 1080 last? - Graphics Cards - Linus Tech Tips  Where the opinion is given that it should last 6-7 years. 
     
    From what I can tell the Mean time between failures for a GPU fan or similar device of around 50,000 hours is considered acceptable.  That works out to 5.7 years and matches the general consensus from the above. 
     
    This may we will be reaching that 6 year mark for when one can expect their GPU fan failing or starting to show signs of failure, more noise, less efficiency even when cleaned well, or even being a total loss.   Which is even worse now since many are not running computers with some form of on board IGP, or APU, and have no fall back position. 
     
    Given the situation we are in right now with replacement GPU's rarer than hens teeth and all manufacturing slowed down are we all on borrowed time?   Are just feeling the start of a sort of GPU apocalypse? Can't buy one and the used ones are all mechanically ready to fail.  If so what should be done about it? 
     
  12. Informative
    Uttamattamakin got a reaction from Kanna in Fan Bearings wearing out in 10 series GPU fans as expected life time elapses. A GPUpocalypse?   
    Thinking over the GPU shortage and it's effects on the industry last night on a visit to Micro Center it occurred to me that there is a critical issue no one is talking about.   Many of us who game or who just use a computer with a good graphics card from the 10 series have had them running 16-24 hours per day for up to 5-6 years now.  Some of them bought used after crypto mining. 
     
    The electronics on the cards are solid state non moving parts.  Whiley the can wear out due to thermal stresses, repeated power cycles etc a solid state device will more or less function as long as it has power and avoids physical destruction. 
     
    The bearings in the GPU fans are another matter.  Like all mechanical systems they wear out over time.  They have a certain design lifetime, and a certain design usage of so many hours before failure their  "Mean Time Between failures".  This is a spec people who computed when hard drives were all over the place will remember.  
     
    There is some pretty formal research on this issue in general. 
    How to evaluate fan life | Electronics Cooling (electronics-cooling.com) by Sung J. Kim and Alan Claassen IBM storage systems division. 
     
    Video Card Failure Rates by Generation (pugetsystems.com)  Matt bach of Puget systems
     
    Then FWIW there is this old thread from the before time 2018
    How long will a GTX 1080 last? - Graphics Cards - Linus Tech Tips  Where the opinion is given that it should last 6-7 years. 
     
    From what I can tell the Mean time between failures for a GPU fan or similar device of around 50,000 hours is considered acceptable.  That works out to 5.7 years and matches the general consensus from the above. 
     
    This may we will be reaching that 6 year mark for when one can expect their GPU fan failing or starting to show signs of failure, more noise, less efficiency even when cleaned well, or even being a total loss.   Which is even worse now since many are not running computers with some form of on board IGP, or APU, and have no fall back position. 
     
    Given the situation we are in right now with replacement GPU's rarer than hens teeth and all manufacturing slowed down are we all on borrowed time?   Are just feeling the start of a sort of GPU apocalypse? Can't buy one and the used ones are all mechanically ready to fail.  If so what should be done about it? 
     
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    Uttamattamakin got a reaction from FakeKGB in Nvidia cards official resellers are asking a possible adjustment of payment to users who ordered and payed the cards before 2021   
    The reseller is the issue not Gigabyte.  The reseller, or "broker"  if you will, is the one with whom they have a contract.  They are now either breaching that contract or they have a contract with terms no one should ever agree to.  
     
    Any reasonable pre order contract would provide for either delivery of the product or a refund after the price has been settled and the contract paid up. 

    One way that a business or professional could manage this situation would be to ... pre order and pre pay a premium price ... for guaranteed delivery of a card at some future date.  The broker could then profit by buying the card at a latter point at the lowest price they can.  Then pocket the difference. 
     
    What the OP is seeing is a reseller who wants to milk them for even more profit but not deliver a product.  That really should not be legal. 
     
     
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    Uttamattamakin reacted to Sauron in Why the Perseverance Rover computer is so "outdated"   
    Older technology with larger nodes is more resistant to radiation. A lot of satellites still run on a 486.
     
    And of course there's the power consumption concern, don't want any more hardware than you need on something like this.
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    Uttamattamakin reacted to Eigenvektor in Why the Perseverance Rover computer is so "outdated"   
    The rover mostly just has to collect data. All of the heavy processing will happen on Earth.
     
    And yeah, it does have different requirements:
    Be as reliable as possible Use as little power as possible Be resistant to space, radiation etc. Using bleeding edge technology is no good if you need something that is ultra reliable, because you haven't had decades to fix all the kinks. And smaller process nodes are much more susceptible to stuff like radiation and high energy particles. You don't have a magnetic shield on Mars like you do on Earth.
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    Uttamattamakin reacted to Lurick in what do u think?   
    Yes, that's definitely real and possible from smoking next to a PC for a few years without cleaning. Even a few months it gets nasty.
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    Uttamattamakin reacted to .Apex. in Nvidia cards official resellers are asking a possible adjustment of payment to users who ordered and payed the cards before 2021   
    Are you sure it's not a scam? That sounds ridiculous, you shouldn't have to pay any more than what was already settled during pre-order, 950 euros is already overpriced.
     
    How did you receive this message from them? if it's by email then recheck the address and make sure it's official, but don't accept it either way. 
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    Uttamattamakin reacted to Skiiwee29 in Nvidia cards official resellers are asking a possible adjustment of payment to users who ordered and payed the cards before 2021   
    sounds shady to me if they want to change there prices after you already paid the price set previously. 
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    Uttamattamakin reacted to BillyGoat1776 in PC gaming change focus just to APUs and Laptops? We should stop thinking of GPU's as gaming hardware. Change my mind.   
    I agree with the part about basically telling ALL graphics card manufacturers to f**k right off until prices go DOWN and supply goes UP....couldn't agree more....solidarity goes a long way to turning things back in favor of the consumer....so yeah....thumbs up there

    I also agree that games will be coded with an eye on mobile platforms.  However, this is very BAD and we should not encourage it.  It will promote an environment in which most of the game(s) will run server side (in some godforsaken datacenter somewhere) and this can only lead to gamer's being milked for data and money.  The gameplay will suck, the graphics will suck....well...it will just suck 😛

    Heavy-duty clients running on powerful hardware will always provide the most immersive experience in my opinion.  However, market trends do seem to indicate that my 'opinion' is not sustainable and the gaming industry will probably go down the rabbit hole of mobile gaming and e-sports anyway.  So far, that's been a real sh*t show.
     
    For what it's worth, that's the Goat's two cents 😄
     
    ~Billy G.
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    Uttamattamakin reacted to HelpfulTechWizard in PC gaming change focus just to APUs and Laptops? We should stop thinking of GPU's as gaming hardware. Change my mind.   
    that's the thing. But marketing doesn't say you need something. It shows you why x thing is better. 
    It's subjective. You don't need 4k or 120hz or rtx, but sone poeple prefer one or more of those things. 
    And id much rather have that than a 720p 30fps non-rtx gameplay experience, like you keep saying should be what gaming shifts focus to.
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    Uttamattamakin reacted to whm1974 in PC gaming change focus just to APUs and Laptops? We should stop thinking of GPU's as gaming hardware. Change my mind.   
    Most Gamers will simply use whatever dGPU they already have and upgrade when the Market becomes Stable.
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    Uttamattamakin got a reaction from Mark Kaine in PC gaming change focus just to APUs and Laptops? We should stop thinking of GPU's as gaming hardware. Change my mind.   
    My mind is already changed by the basic fact that there are not boxed Ryzen 5 4500G or Ryzen 5 5500G APU's available in stock to be purchased and according to a widely reported on study the supply will not get better for two years. 
     
    SO no only should we give up on actually getting a GPU we should give up on getting an  APU (not talking about crappy intel graphics those aren't APU's) 
     
    Either retasking an old 10 series GPU with a existing CPU OR if you don't have a Gaming grade GPU ... It's a 8C 16T Ryzen 5800x with a GT1030.  
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    Uttamattamakin got a reaction from Zodiark1593 in PC gaming change focus just to APUs and Laptops? We should stop thinking of GPU's as gaming hardware. Change my mind.   
    My mind is already changed by the basic fact that there are not boxed Ryzen 5 4500G or Ryzen 5 5500G APU's available in stock to be purchased and according to a widely reported on study the supply will not get better for two years. 
     
    SO no only should we give up on actually getting a GPU we should give up on getting an  APU (not talking about crappy intel graphics those aren't APU's) 
     
    Either retasking an old 10 series GPU with a existing CPU OR if you don't have a Gaming grade GPU ... It's a 8C 16T Ryzen 5800x with a GT1030.  
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    Uttamattamakin got a reaction from Mark Kaine in PC gaming change focus just to APUs and Laptops? We should stop thinking of GPU's as gaming hardware. Change my mind.   
    Here are the facts: 
    Most PC users of any kind just have one laptop.  That laptop has a smallish screen which is used at arms length.  Where it is a mathematical fact that 4k resolution will make no discernible difference.  Those PC's all use either a Ryzen APU or intel graphics or have a discrete but mobile GPU which performs just a little better than an APU.  Most of the rest buy prebuilt from major names. 
    The above are statements of fact.   Below here is an opinion. 

    I have gamed under linux on a Ryzen 3200G.  At 720p the game was Total War Shogun 2.  It was ... acceptable.   The Low Spec gamer has done videos about this.  ETA Prime has done videos about this.   Even LTT has gamed on small form factor devices and found it acceptable.    Unless one is going to use a GPU for a revenue generating activity it is just not necessary to have one.    It is not even that much nicer to have one.  They also add a great deal of complexity and cost to building your own computer for little functional benefit.    Everything you can do on a PC with a good APU can be done on one with a GPU.  The GPU will make it more visually pleasing but at the cost of a whole computer.  (One can build a whole computer for less than 500 dollars.)   This is not even accounting for the inflated scalper price. 
     
    Therefore: Gamers as a group should just forget about buying graphics cards.  Don't even pay them any mind until they are once again a reasonable price for a mere part of a computer.   Especially considering that one can get integrated graphics in a 250 or even 500 dollar APU... that will also be your CPU.   They aren't for you anymore and you do not need them. 
     
    I'll still want one for using CUDA to do my scientific work, which pays me,  and may even go Quadro to get one with the VRAM needed to crunch a lot of data.  Just for gaming and for the average gamer it is not worth the money or the hassles.  

    Change my mind. How am I wrong given what we have just witnessed today?  
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    Uttamattamakin reacted to LogicalDrm in How long did the last mining craze (2017-2018) effect on GPUs lasted for ?   
    Price-wise, its ongoing thing rather than something which would change in few years. Just look at RAM prices as example. 10 years ago you could get basic level RAM (equivalent to 16gigs today) for $50 total. Today you pay double for that. Same goes with GPUs. 10 years ago it was $250 for midrange gaming GPU. Today its double price.
     
    Availability-wise, I think it was no longer issue when the next release came out. I do remember selling my old GPU for significant overprice and getting new as a snatch.
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