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  1. Agree
    LAwLz reacted to Moonzy in China’s Inner Mongolia Declares War on Crypto Mining   
    but how about the growth of the gaming industry? particularly during the lockdown
    does it not more than cover any of the efficiencies?
     
    but I don't think it matters, it's basically not the "order of magnitude worse than gaming" that some people say around here
    it's more like... maybe half at best, which is still no small amount, still equal to some country's power consumption
  2. Informative
    LAwLz reacted to Craftyawesome in China’s Inner Mongolia Declares War on Crypto Mining   
    Supposedly 100 to 300 million in nvidia Q4 revenue was crypto related.
    https://www.coindesk.com/nvidia-ethereum-mining-quarterly-revenue-earnings
    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-q4-earnings-100-300-million-dollars-cryptocurrency-mining
     
    This is 2%-6% of total revenue, or 4%-12% of gaming revenue.
    Although, Nvidia's CFO says they lack “the ability to accurately track or quantify” how the cards are used, so take it with a grain of salt.
  3. Agree
    LAwLz got a reaction from Moonzy in China’s Inner Mongolia Declares War on Crypto Mining   
    Power consumption hasn't gone down. It has stayed relatively the same, or gone up across the board.
     
     
    GTX 660 Ti - ~140W
    GTX 760 Ti - ~160W
    GTX 960 - ~125W
    GTX 1060 Ti - 125W
    RTX 2060 - ~170W
    RTX 3060 Ti - ~200W
     
    If anything, power consumption has gone up in the last couple of generations. 
     
    Xbox 360 - ~100W (depending on model)
    Xbox Series X - ~180W
     
     
    Also, look at Intel's latest processors, or even AMD. Far more power hungry that most CPUs were 8 years ago.
  4. Agree
    LAwLz got a reaction from wkdpaul in China’s Inner Mongolia Declares War on Crypto Mining   
    Power consumption hasn't gone down. It has stayed relatively the same, or gone up across the board.
     
     
    GTX 660 Ti - ~140W
    GTX 760 Ti - ~160W
    GTX 960 - ~125W
    GTX 1060 Ti - 125W
    RTX 2060 - ~170W
    RTX 3060 Ti - ~200W
     
    If anything, power consumption has gone up in the last couple of generations. 
     
    Xbox 360 - ~100W (depending on model)
    Xbox Series X - ~180W
     
     
    Also, look at Intel's latest processors, or even AMD. Far more power hungry that most CPUs were 8 years ago.
  5. Agree
    LAwLz got a reaction from TheSLSAMG in China’s Inner Mongolia Declares War on Crypto Mining   
    I always find cryptocurrency news so entertaining on these forums because there are always a bunch of butthurt, self entitled gamers who are just seething, trying to come up with reasons to hate cryptocurrencies and anyone involved with it.
    Crypto currency is the new bogeyman and is responsible for all the problems in the world...
     
    Cryptocurrency are grapes, and there are a lot of foxes on this forum.
     
     
    By several different measurements, green energy is cheaper than dirtier power like coal and oil.
    A lot of green energy, such as solar power, have other issues that are not related to cost though. For example very uneven output (like with solar when power consumption drops to near zero at night), or ruining the environment in other ways (like hydro power plants ruining marine life).
     
    I think the whole "bitcoin is bad for the environment because it uses so much power" is way overblown though. The estimate a lot of news articles use comes from Cambridge university and they currently estimate it to about 130 TWh in a year. That is a lot of power... But the US alone used 4,222 TWh in 2018. China used 7,225TWh alone in 2019.
     
    Power consumption of all cryptomining in the entire world - 130 TWh.
    Power consumption of the US and China alone, not counting the rest of the world - 11,447TWh.
     
    The US and China alone uses about 8705% more power than all crypto mining combined.
    In other words, if all of the crypto mining in the world was being done in the US and China, then those countries would only see a ~1.14% decrease in power consumption if all crypto mining was shut off overnight.
     
    If you really care about the environment then you should not be mad at bitcoin miners. You should be mad at the far bigger perpetrators. You should be mad at people like Linus who encourages people to consume more and more products they don't actually need (like a new GPU). You should be mad at countries in Asia and Africa because they are the far biggest contributors to plastic pollution. 
  6. Informative
    LAwLz got a reaction from Moonzy in China’s Inner Mongolia Declares War on Crypto Mining   
    Found another statistic that might be interesting.
    This analysis from Berkeley Lab estimated that in 2012, gaming computers used 75 TWh of power globally.
    I would not be surprised if interest in gaming has doubled since 2012, since the industry is going so well, and if that's accurate then it is very likely that gaming uses as much power as mining does globally, and that contributes about as much to the world as mining does in my eyes.
  7. Agree
    LAwLz reacted to MageTank in China’s Inner Mongolia Declares War on Crypto Mining   
    Don't mind me, was checking to see if this would look silly if I changed a few words, still does, lol.
     
    We can argue the inverse of this argument though. You are operating under the assumption that mining cannot be entertaining for those that do it. I myself am not a miner (have been on the record many times on this forum about my disinterest in cryptocurrencies in general) but I have many friends that enjoy the mining and trading aspect of cryptocurrencies and they do seem quite entertained by the process. So much so that they enjoy the trips they make to secure new hardware. To them, hunting for new hardware is a thrill in and of itself. Others enjoy the trading aspect, much like those that enjoy the trading aspects of the stock market. Who are you to decide what is entertaining for others?
     
    I personally enjoy beating my head against a wall when memory overclocking, despite others finding it completely tedious and a total waste of time, but it's entertaining for me and I continue to do it. If we are to dictate what is classified as entertainment and judge based entirely on those preconceived notions, then we might as well argue every subjective opinion we have as if it is fact.
     
    I know you think comparisons cannot be made, but I am having no difficulties making these comparisons. If you'd like to spend some time to dispute them, I'd be happy to engage you in that endeavor, but know that I intend to drive the point home that those that cannot discern between their wants & needs cannot deem their hobby more important than others with these moral dilemmas. Either both are wasteful & harmful to the environment, or neither are. If you want to compare and argue the degrees to which each are damaging, that would be an entirely different conversation.
  8. Agree
    LAwLz got a reaction from FakeKGB in China’s Inner Mongolia Declares War on Crypto Mining   
    I always find cryptocurrency news so entertaining on these forums because there are always a bunch of butthurt, self entitled gamers who are just seething, trying to come up with reasons to hate cryptocurrencies and anyone involved with it.
    Crypto currency is the new bogeyman and is responsible for all the problems in the world...
     
    Cryptocurrency are grapes, and there are a lot of foxes on this forum.
     
     
    By several different measurements, green energy is cheaper than dirtier power like coal and oil.
    A lot of green energy, such as solar power, have other issues that are not related to cost though. For example very uneven output (like with solar when power consumption drops to near zero at night), or ruining the environment in other ways (like hydro power plants ruining marine life).
     
    I think the whole "bitcoin is bad for the environment because it uses so much power" is way overblown though. The estimate a lot of news articles use comes from Cambridge university and they currently estimate it to about 130 TWh in a year. That is a lot of power... But the US alone used 4,222 TWh in 2018. China used 7,225TWh alone in 2019.
     
    Power consumption of all cryptomining in the entire world - 130 TWh.
    Power consumption of the US and China alone, not counting the rest of the world - 11,447TWh.
     
    The US and China alone uses about 8705% more power than all crypto mining combined.
    In other words, if all of the crypto mining in the world was being done in the US and China, then those countries would only see a ~1.14% decrease in power consumption if all crypto mining was shut off overnight.
     
    If you really care about the environment then you should not be mad at bitcoin miners. You should be mad at the far bigger perpetrators. You should be mad at people like Linus who encourages people to consume more and more products they don't actually need (like a new GPU). You should be mad at countries in Asia and Africa because they are the far biggest contributors to plastic pollution. 
  9. Agree
    LAwLz reacted to Moonzy in China’s Inner Mongolia Declares War on Crypto Mining   
    Problem is, mining isn't doing nothing
    It's crunching numbers for adding it to a blockchain
     
    Your "no reason" needs some clarification
    Because earning profit may as well be a good reason for many people
     
    Google runs their servers doing number crunching, providing services to people
    Mining runs their number crunchers, contributing to transaction and blockchain
     
    Both are for profit
     
    Just because you don't benefit from it doesn't mean it's doing nothing
  10. Like
    LAwLz got a reaction from Moonzy in China’s Inner Mongolia Declares War on Crypto Mining   
    I always find cryptocurrency news so entertaining on these forums because there are always a bunch of butthurt, self entitled gamers who are just seething, trying to come up with reasons to hate cryptocurrencies and anyone involved with it.
    Crypto currency is the new bogeyman and is responsible for all the problems in the world...
     
    Cryptocurrency are grapes, and there are a lot of foxes on this forum.
     
     
    By several different measurements, green energy is cheaper than dirtier power like coal and oil.
    A lot of green energy, such as solar power, have other issues that are not related to cost though. For example very uneven output (like with solar when power consumption drops to near zero at night), or ruining the environment in other ways (like hydro power plants ruining marine life).
     
    I think the whole "bitcoin is bad for the environment because it uses so much power" is way overblown though. The estimate a lot of news articles use comes from Cambridge university and they currently estimate it to about 130 TWh in a year. That is a lot of power... But the US alone used 4,222 TWh in 2018. China used 7,225TWh alone in 2019.
     
    Power consumption of all cryptomining in the entire world - 130 TWh.
    Power consumption of the US and China alone, not counting the rest of the world - 11,447TWh.
     
    The US and China alone uses about 8705% more power than all crypto mining combined.
    In other words, if all of the crypto mining in the world was being done in the US and China, then those countries would only see a ~1.14% decrease in power consumption if all crypto mining was shut off overnight.
     
    If you really care about the environment then you should not be mad at bitcoin miners. You should be mad at the far bigger perpetrators. You should be mad at people like Linus who encourages people to consume more and more products they don't actually need (like a new GPU). You should be mad at countries in Asia and Africa because they are the far biggest contributors to plastic pollution. 
  11. Agree
    LAwLz got a reaction from Wh0_Am_1 in China’s Inner Mongolia Declares War on Crypto Mining   
    That's not how crypto currency works...
    I wonder how many people who say mining is a waste of resources actually understand how blockchains work. Mining serves a very important purpose and is an integral part of making cryptocurrencies work. 
  12. Informative
    LAwLz got a reaction from tikker in China’s Inner Mongolia Declares War on Crypto Mining   
    Well but... If we stop mining metals then I can't buy the latest graphics card so I can play call of duty at slightly higher frame rates. We do really need those metals.
    The environment is really important... As long as it's something someone else is doing. The things I do that are bad for the environment doesn't matter.
    Also, remember to ban plastic products so that we have to rely on metals more!
     
     
    Well it's a complex thing and I think both of us made generalizations that are true to varying degree. That's why I added the "by several different measurements" part. If your country also has a lot of gray energy infrastructure then chances are it is cheaper to just keep those things running compared to building brand new infrastructure for green energy.
    IF a new city was being built, and IF the conditions were right, and IF there were no subsidies involved, then it is very likely that a green source of energy would be the cheapest.
    Here is one of many comparisons.
     
  13. Like
    LAwLz got a reaction from Lurick in China’s Inner Mongolia Declares War on Crypto Mining   
    I always find cryptocurrency news so entertaining on these forums because there are always a bunch of butthurt, self entitled gamers who are just seething, trying to come up with reasons to hate cryptocurrencies and anyone involved with it.
    Crypto currency is the new bogeyman and is responsible for all the problems in the world...
     
    Cryptocurrency are grapes, and there are a lot of foxes on this forum.
     
     
    By several different measurements, green energy is cheaper than dirtier power like coal and oil.
    A lot of green energy, such as solar power, have other issues that are not related to cost though. For example very uneven output (like with solar when power consumption drops to near zero at night), or ruining the environment in other ways (like hydro power plants ruining marine life).
     
    I think the whole "bitcoin is bad for the environment because it uses so much power" is way overblown though. The estimate a lot of news articles use comes from Cambridge university and they currently estimate it to about 130 TWh in a year. That is a lot of power... But the US alone used 4,222 TWh in 2018. China used 7,225TWh alone in 2019.
     
    Power consumption of all cryptomining in the entire world - 130 TWh.
    Power consumption of the US and China alone, not counting the rest of the world - 11,447TWh.
     
    The US and China alone uses about 8705% more power than all crypto mining combined.
    In other words, if all of the crypto mining in the world was being done in the US and China, then those countries would only see a ~1.14% decrease in power consumption if all crypto mining was shut off overnight.
     
    If you really care about the environment then you should not be mad at bitcoin miners. You should be mad at the far bigger perpetrators. You should be mad at people like Linus who encourages people to consume more and more products they don't actually need (like a new GPU). You should be mad at countries in Asia and Africa because they are the far biggest contributors to plastic pollution. 
  14. Like
    LAwLz reacted to leadeater in China’s Inner Mongolia Declares War on Crypto Mining   
    Well, like... I don't know how many have noticed but at least in this article they are featuring bitcoin mining and ASIC miners so stopping specifically these guys would do jack in terms of GPU supply woes.
     
    As for power usage, metals production uses like a good thousand or more percent more power, but I guess we really do need those metals.
  15. Informative
    LAwLz got a reaction from tikker in China’s Inner Mongolia Declares War on Crypto Mining   
    I always find cryptocurrency news so entertaining on these forums because there are always a bunch of butthurt, self entitled gamers who are just seething, trying to come up with reasons to hate cryptocurrencies and anyone involved with it.
    Crypto currency is the new bogeyman and is responsible for all the problems in the world...
     
    Cryptocurrency are grapes, and there are a lot of foxes on this forum.
     
     
    By several different measurements, green energy is cheaper than dirtier power like coal and oil.
    A lot of green energy, such as solar power, have other issues that are not related to cost though. For example very uneven output (like with solar when power consumption drops to near zero at night), or ruining the environment in other ways (like hydro power plants ruining marine life).
     
    I think the whole "bitcoin is bad for the environment because it uses so much power" is way overblown though. The estimate a lot of news articles use comes from Cambridge university and they currently estimate it to about 130 TWh in a year. That is a lot of power... But the US alone used 4,222 TWh in 2018. China used 7,225TWh alone in 2019.
     
    Power consumption of all cryptomining in the entire world - 130 TWh.
    Power consumption of the US and China alone, not counting the rest of the world - 11,447TWh.
     
    The US and China alone uses about 8705% more power than all crypto mining combined.
    In other words, if all of the crypto mining in the world was being done in the US and China, then those countries would only see a ~1.14% decrease in power consumption if all crypto mining was shut off overnight.
     
    If you really care about the environment then you should not be mad at bitcoin miners. You should be mad at the far bigger perpetrators. You should be mad at people like Linus who encourages people to consume more and more products they don't actually need (like a new GPU). You should be mad at countries in Asia and Africa because they are the far biggest contributors to plastic pollution. 
  16. Agree
    LAwLz reacted to leadeater in Gaming Performance Tested On 'Worn Out' RTX 2080 Ti Mining Card   
    I just don't see how this is important information at all, so long as the card doesn't come with a custom vbios purpose for mining it's usage doesn't matter, it really does make no difference at all. I'd rather buy a GPU used for mining in a open rig than a GPU used for gaming that's been all it's life in a negative pressure crappy case full of dust and heat. Even then the difference really doesn't actually matter but strictly speaking the mining GPU was run in a better environment than the gaming card was.
     
    Really do think most aren't thinking these things through properly. What exactly do people actually think mining does that degrades or could degrade the card so much, especially compared to any other workload type.
     
    Keeping track of what a card was used for is completely pointless and doesn't actually provide meaningful information to a second hand buyer, all that's going to happen is personal uneducated bias is going to come in to it and end up passing up a perfect good card for one that is potentially worse simply because it was only used for "gaming", as if that makes any difference.
     
    You know the worst cards out of all of them? Server GPUs used in 2U servers. They have far less board design effort on them, like do a VRM analysis and you'll see just how bad, and the coolers are below average at best. We have Tesla M10's still running today installed in 2015 in 1U height nodes. If for what ever reason you want to be selective about what GPUs to not buy then it's server GPUs used in 1U and 2U servers, by far the hottest and hardest life of anything and they are still fine.
  17. Agree
    LAwLz reacted to Arika S in Has long term bluetooth radiation been studied on VR headsets?   
    ok let's go through the wording for this
     
     
    In English
    "some people may possibly think there could be a possible link, maybe, that the potential to maybe increase (or not) the chance of developing something, maybe cancer, we don't know, in some people, maybe. We have no real proof of this maybe potentially being a real thing, but we need to maybe need to look into it more, just in case there is something that could, maybe, cause what we have hypothesized with no real proof. But we don't want to really confirm anything because we just do not know...but who know, maybe this is real? but maybe not in everyone all the time. Therefore we suggest the public freak out and start burning down potentially cancer causing 5g towers and also maybe destroying bluetooth items, maybe, at least until we can prove (or not) the link (if one exists) between RF radiation (or something else associated with bluetooth/wireless type signals) and health risks (if any exist)"
  18. Agree
    LAwLz reacted to Moonzy in Bitfinex sets record with titanic $4.5B and $5B BTC transactions   
    have you tried it?
    i've been doing it since 2017 and boy do i wanna tell you how many GPU i have bought with the money i got from a i5 6600 + a gtx 970
     
    ...? source?
     
    have you used a mining calculator before? try it and come back to me
     
    source? because i surely am experiencing differently from what you're describing
     
    how...?
     
    true, but does it have to be physical to have value?
    do you not have money the moment you put it in a bank?
     
    source?
     
    i have an engineering background, nothing to do with financial
    if you wanna make baseless claims about things, back it up
  19. Agree
    LAwLz reacted to Moonzy in Bitfinex sets record with titanic $4.5B and $5B BTC transactions   
    so how would you invest your money?
     
    shouldn't this be a good point though? even middle class people can do it to make money and it's not reserved for the rich 1% or something
    even timmy can mine on his PC to buy games or upgrade his next PC, which makes it mine better for more upgrades/games, now timmy don't have to sink in thousands of dollars into tech every few years.
     
    if it's so easy, why don't you do it? why do you hate people trying to better their financial situation?
  20. Agree
    LAwLz reacted to AbydosOne in How to block website   
    Flush your DNS after you update the hosts file (otherwise Windows caches the DNS info and won't ask for it again for a while).
     
    In command prompt:
    ipconfig /flushdns
  21. Agree
    LAwLz reacted to leadeater in Gaming Performance Tested On 'Worn Out' RTX 2080 Ti Mining Card   
    I guess there is a perception that graphics cards wear in a similar manor to say car tyres, they don't but it seems like people think this. It's also extremely, extreme, hard to make thermal pad dry out and lose any amount of thermal conductivity. That takes like decades on thicker ones. Thermal grease will do that a bit quicker but I've not repasted my GPU water block since I put it on back in early 2014 and don't turn my computer off and largely run the loop passively which means actually hot water temps at idle and load (load very hot lol). There's been no change and thermal control/management of my GPUs under what is probably even more thermally stressful conditions than a mining GPU.
  22. Agree
    LAwLz reacted to leadeater in Gaming Performance Tested On 'Worn Out' RTX 2080 Ti Mining Card   
    3 things; clean the cooler then no difference unless paste needs replacing (rare), thermal controls on the GPU will not let it prematurely die as that's the point of them, this will happen on a graphics card exclusively used for gaming.
     
    Things get old and dirty, that's not a mining only related problem.
  23. Informative
    LAwLz got a reaction from SpicyTater in Intel is dropping its overclocking focused warranty   
    Some facts I think people should know before making dumb comments because "Intel bad".
     
    1) This news article is about Intel removing an optional warranty that people could buy to cover overclocking. This is not "Intel's warranty used to cover overclocking and now it doesn't". 
    2) Yes, XMP counts as overclocking if the frequency goes above the maximum frequency officially supported. This is true for AMD as well. Here is the statement from AMD from this video and from their Wattman page:
    This is also true for things like the Precise Boost Overdrive feature from AMD:
     
     
    3) AMD is no better or worse than Intel when it comes to warranties for overclocking. You could have argued Intel was better before because they offered this silly warrant that I don't think anyone but a handful of people bought, but now they are equal.
     
    4) Does anyone actually care? How often do processors even die from overclocking, outside of these L2 cooling, world record breaking attempts? Basically never. Even if you overclocked a processor and it broke, you can't be sure it was the overclocking that killed it, and neither can AMD/Intel.
  24. Agree
    LAwLz got a reaction from Arika S in President Joe Biden signs an executive order requiring the assessment of the state of the semiconductor industry   
    I disagree that the Huawei ban caused the market to stagnate, but I agree that Huawei should be allowed "back in the game" again.
    The entire ban was bullshit from the beginning if you ask me. Just the US wanting to exercise their powers over China.
  25. Agree
    LAwLz got a reaction from Hymenopus_Coronatus in Intel is dropping its overclocking focused warranty   
    Some facts I think people should know before making dumb comments because "Intel bad".
     
    1) This news article is about Intel removing an optional warranty that people could buy to cover overclocking. This is not "Intel's warranty used to cover overclocking and now it doesn't". 
    2) Yes, XMP counts as overclocking if the frequency goes above the maximum frequency officially supported. This is true for AMD as well. Here is the statement from AMD from this video and from their Wattman page:
    This is also true for things like the Precise Boost Overdrive feature from AMD:
     
     
    3) AMD is no better or worse than Intel when it comes to warranties for overclocking. You could have argued Intel was better before because they offered this silly warrant that I don't think anyone but a handful of people bought, but now they are equal.
     
    4) Does anyone actually care? How often do processors even die from overclocking, outside of these L2 cooling, world record breaking attempts? Basically never. Even if you overclocked a processor and it broke, you can't be sure it was the overclocking that killed it, and neither can AMD/Intel.
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