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Windows 10 can't be updated with Sandy Bridge or Haswell based CPU (for serval systems?)

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Posted · Original PosterOP

I got a strange issue, which I tried to solve for months now and where I got no hope left for a permanent solution.

I don't get it, why it's still imposible to do Major Windows 10 Updates without a "freeze", followed by boot looping for serval Haswell or Sandybridge based Systems.

 

Here's what i expirienced with the following combination.

A budget PC, OEM by Asus, with a "h81m-a" board and a "i7-4770s" still can't do the update (from Windows 7 or windows 10 first release to April 2018 or second "October" November release), even if the latest official "BIOS" is in place.

BIOS manipulations, like a CPU microcode which I applied to the different partitions within the UEFI's (GPT Based) "BIOS" file system (Check "FIT Table" Screenshot) have no effect either.

 

I'm not all alone with this issue (but I don't own a "G3258" CPU).

For reference one of many links: Intel forum about H81 and G3258

 

I suspect that there exists a general problem with all "Intel H81" based systems, but I can't confirm it.

But maybe this could be a topic for Linus to investigate.

 

Because so far "team blue" never gave a clear answer to this issue.

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Hmmm, I know at least on z87 and z97 I had no issues doing major windows 10 updates. *currently on z87*


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Can't say I have any problems with Win10 updates on my H81 chipset Haswell system. As above, it is an Asus H81M-Plus. The bios is current, but it is a few years old so wont have more recent fixes in it. This system originally had Win7 on it, which I used the free update to Win10, and have applied all updates since then to 1803. It hasn't had 1809 pushed to it yet. CPU is i3-4150T, not that it should make any difference.


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Posted · Original PosterOP

Thanks for your comment, but it does not solve the riddle.
It seems that just some chipsets got this issue and that is's linked to "Turbo Boost".

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was literally just updating and playing fallout on my i5 4210m in my XPS 1820 and it had to go through all the updates since I only break it out every now and then It had quite a few wonder what's up that's disconcerting to me I like this system for mobile old school gaming. 

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1 minute ago, gabbel said:

It seems that just some chipsets got this issue and that is's linked to "Turbo Boost".

If you suspect it is related to turbo, try disabling it? I just think, just because you and some others have a problem that appears to have some common parts, do we have proof it is due to those parts?


Main rig: Asus Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700k stock, Noctua D14, G.Skill Ripjaws V 3200 2x8GB, Gigabyte GTX 1650, Corsair HX750i, In Win 303 NVIDIA, Samsung SM951 512GB, WD Blue 1TB, HP LP2475W 1200p wide gamut

Gaming system: Asrock Z370 Pro4, i7-8086k stock, Noctua D15, Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 3200 4x16GB, Asus Strix 1080Ti, Fractal Edison 550W PSU, GameMax Silent, Optane 900p 280GB, Crucial MX200 1TB, Sandisk 960GB, Acer Predator XB241YU 1440p 144Hz G-sync

Ryzen rig: Asrock B450 ITX, R5 3600, Noctua D9L, G.SKill TridentZ 3000C14 2x8GB, Gigabyte RTX 2070, Corsair CX450M, NZXT Manta, WD Green 240GB SSD, LG OLED55B9PLA

VR rig: Asus Z170I Pro Gaming, i7-6700T stock, Scythe Kozuti, Kingston Hyper-X 2666 2x8GB, Zotac 1070 FE, Corsair CX450M, Silverstone SG13, Samsung PM951 256GB, Crucial BX500 1TB, HTC Vive

Gaming laptop: Asus FX503VD, i5-7300HQ, 2x8GB DDR4, GTX 1050, Sandisk 256GB + 480GB SSD

Total CPU heating: i7-8086k, i3-8350k, i7-7920X, 2x i7-6700k, i7-6700T, i5-6600k, i3-6100, i7-5930k, i7-5820k, i7-5775C, i5-5675C, 2x i7-4590, i5-4570S, 2x i3-4150T, E5-2683v3, 2x E5-2650, E5-2667, R7 3700X, R5 3600, R5 2600, R7 1700

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Posted · Original PosterOP
3 minutes ago, porina said:

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Can't say I have any problems with Win10 updates on my H81 chipset Haswell system. As above, it is an Asus H81M-Plus. The bios is current, but it is a few years old so wont have more recent fixes in it. This system originally had Win7 on it, which I used the free update to Win10, and have applied all updates since then to 1803. It hasn't had 1809 pushed to it yet. CPU is i3-4150T, not that it should make any difference.

Thanks for your comment, which is great.
I also took a look into the "H81M-Plus" BIOS file and it's got the same CPU microcode Updates like the latest BIOS for the "H81M-A".

If anybody got an "H81" with "i7-4770s" it would be very interresting to know if you had issues with Windows 10 updates.

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Posted · Original PosterOP
3 minutes ago, porina said:

If you suspect it is related to turbo, try disabling it? I just think, just because you and some others have a problem that appears to have some common parts, do we have proof it is due to those parts?

I already tried this, I also tried to disable different "C" power states, I did a full setup with only one core activated and much more, but still no luck.

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Posted · Original PosterOP

I compared the two CPU's

i3-4150 vs i7-4770S

And the i3-4150 does not support trusted execution, therefore I will give it another shot and just disable "Trusted Execution" for once on the i7... thank you all for your help so far.

 

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