Lab Grown Meat gets closer to see consumer plates

[Okjoek]

 

 

[Syntaxvgm]

59 minutes ago, bitsandpieces said:

No, I'm implying that you are still required to put resources in this synthetic meat to be produced

And what will you do with the animals? exterminate them?

 

On a side note: a hunter over here spoke about endangered species, animals that have been banned from being hunted

For example bears, they started to wonder out of the woods and going into towns and local villages because there's no longer interest and money in feeding them into the wild, so they wonder outside their natural habitat for food

That's like saying I'll take gas cars over electric cars because they still take energy, but like 100x the scale. 

About 15 gallons of water and 15 gallons of feed, 75 square feet of land go into a SINGLE pound of beef. That was the LOWEST BY FAR estimate I found, and that's directly. In the total process, way more goes into it, and it's a hotly disputed topic as some claim numbers that are 10-20x higher. These above numbers are from the industry.

I mean think of the fucking space required to raise these animals in the most physically cramped possible conditions. 

And then there's shit like methane. 

 

Cows produce a stupid amount of methane. 

It's something like nearly a quarter of the total methane output of the US. 

Oh, remember how I said the efficiency of meat energy is about 5%? Some grains, corn, etc is above 90% in terms of resources we put in vs energy we get out- most of the energy is solar. Some estimates are over 100% because of this. 

The idea that anywhere near the amount of energy required to make meat now will be required to make lab grown meat once it reaches a high level of production is inane. I mean even the transport energy costs- there will be less steps and more dense travel. 

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And what will you do with the animals? exterminate them?

What the hell do you mean by that? We already slaughter them, eventually the demands will lower and we'll stop breeding as many. What, you think we're gonna build cow auschwitz? Burn it all and cut our losses? It's still perfectly good meat. This isn't gonna be 1 night we go to bed and when we wake up synthetic meat is a full developed market and production cycle. It will probably never be outlawed. There's like nearly 100 million cows in the US. Well just have less cows lol. 

 

 

[The Benjamins]

5 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

That's like saying I'll take gas cars over electric cars because they still take energy, but like 100x the scale. 

About 15 gallons of water and 15 gallons of feed, 75 square feet of land go into a SINGLE pound of beef. That was the LOWEST BY FAR estimate I found, and that's directly. In the total process, way more goes into it, and it's a hotly disputed topic as some claim numbers that are 10-20x higher. These above numbers are from the industry.

I mean think of the fucking space required to raise these animals in the most physically cramped possible conditions. 

And then there's shit like methane. 

 

 

Cows produce a stupid amount of methane. 

It's something like nearly a quarter of the total methane output of the US. 

Oh, remember how I said the efficiency of meat energy is about 5%? Some grains, corn, etc is above 90% in terms of resources we put in vs energy we get out- most of the energy is solar. Some estimates are over 100% because of this. 

The idea that anywhere near the amount of energy required to make meat now will be required to make lab grown meat once it reaches a high level of production is inane. I mean even the transport energy costs- there will be less steps and more dense travel. 

What the hell do you mean by that? We already slaughter them, eventually the demands will lower and we'll stop breeding as many. What, you think we're gonna build cow auschwitz? Burn it all and cut our losses? It's still perfectly good meat. This isn't gonna be 1 night we go to bed and when we wake up synthetic meat is a full developed market and production cycle. It will probably never be outlawed. There's like nearly 100 million cows in the US. Well just have less cows lol. 

 

 

This is why my parents don't eat land meat anymore.

 

You will have more of a environmental impact reduction by not eating meat then driving a electric car. so buy that Ford 150 and go veterinarian. 

[Syntaxvgm]

7 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

This is why my parents don't eat land meat anymore.

 

You will have more of a environmental impact reduction by not eating meat then driving a electric car. so buy that Ford 150 and go veterinarian. 

lol. 

For me electric cars are about the cost to the consumer. The only reason I'd get a tesla right now is cool factor, nothing else. Still the cost of a new car resources wise is very high, and an electric car doesn't make up for that. 

I eat meat, hardcore. But I know the future will be lab grown, and since people will never stop eating meat, it's a great way to pretty much give environmentalists or anti-meat industry people what they want for a large part. Greatly reduce the impact and take the race to the bottom cost out of the live animal market. Make it a niche since it will be more expensive, and eventually subject to more and more regulation on  animal treatment. 

[bitsandpieces]

17 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

That's like saying I'll take gas cars over electric cars because they still take energy, but like 100x the scale. 

About 15 gallons of water and 15 gallons of feed, 75 square feet of land go into a SINGLE pound of beef. That was the LOWEST BY FAR estimate I found, and that's directly. In the total process, way more goes into it, and it's a hotly disputed topic as some claim numbers that are 10-20x higher. These above numbers are from the industry.

And .. what's the problem you're looking to solve exactly?

I don't see anyone complaining about space, water and the rest that goes into it

 

And as I said in the reply to the other guy, we still need them for animal byproducts like milk, wool, hide, etc - they're not going away, their numbers won't diminish by any meaningful numbers

 

And the main problem you still haven't answered is who's going to buy this? Meat is still cheap, otherwise people would not be buying it

Why would people buy synthetic meat over natural one?

 

 

As for the electric cars, what a joke

They still need energy, and that energy is still getting produced by fossil fuels

[Shally]

1 hour ago, bitsandpieces said:

What constitutes excess? We still need cows, sheep, goats for milk and other byproducts (wool, hides, etc)

So, the resources would not be actually reduced at all

Excess is the amount of cows we need that will make up the byproducts, which is FAR less than the amount we need for food and byproducts 

[Shally]

1 hour ago, bitsandpieces said:

What constitutes excess? We still need cows, sheep, goats for milk and other byproducts (wool, hides, etc)

So, the resources would not be actually reduced at all

Also cows for milk don't require near as much feed as cows for meat are. 

[Shally]

3 minutes ago, bitsandpieces said:

And .. what's the problem you're looking to solve exactly?

I don't see anyone complaining about space, water and the rest that goes into it

 

And as I said in the reply to the other guy, we still need them for animal byproducts like milk, wool, hide, etc

 

And the main problem you still haven't answered is who's going to buy this? Meat is still cheap, otherwise people would not be buying it

Why would people buy synthetic meat over natural one?

It soon will be cheaper. Without a doubt. That's why people will buy it. 
 

[bitsandpieces]

1 minute ago, Shally said:

It soon will be cheaper. Without a doubt. That's why people will buy it. 

I'm gonna chuckle - don't you see the chicken and egg problem?

[The Benjamins]

3 minutes ago, bitsandpieces said:

And .. what's the problem you're looking to solve exactly?

I don't see anyone complaining about space, water and the rest that goes into it

 

And as I said in the reply to the other guy, we still need them for animal byproducts like milk, wool, hide, etc

 

And the main problem you still haven't answered is who's going to buy this? Meat is still cheap, otherwise people would not be buying it

Why would people buy synthetic meat over natural one?

 

 

Just now, Shally said:

It soon will be cheaper. Without a doubt. That's why people will buy it. 
 

 

Also Lab Meat can be healthier, and help reduce the over use of antibiotics.

[bitsandpieces]

Just now, The Benjamins said:

Also Lab Meat can be healthier, and help reduce the over use of antibiotics.

Can be? But it's not? What's the point?

[Syntaxvgm]

1 minute ago, bitsandpieces said:

And .. what's the problem you're looking to solve exactly?

I don't see anyone complaining about space, water and the rest that goes into it

 

And as I said in the reply to the other guy, we still need them for animal byproducts like milk, wool, hide, etc

 

And the main problem you still haven't answered is who's going to buy this? Meat is still cheap, otherwise people would not be buying it

Why would people buy synthetic meat over natural one?

miss the point entirely and quote half the post. You know shit like milk comes from different cows right? Lol. And hide's demand doesn't match meat demand. 

It's not about eliminating farming of animals, It's reducing the incredibly massive scale. 

 

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And the main problem you still haven't answered is who's going to buy this? Meat is still cheap, otherwise people would not be buying it

Why would people buy synthetic meat over natural one?

I have repeatedly beat the point into your head that meat is in it's current state incredibly inefficient in terms of both cost and energy. Lab grown meat, once reaching scale, will be cheaper and more efficient to produce by far- it would be close to the cost and efficiency of plants, which are 10x plus more efficient currently. 

Who will eat it? Everyone, you'll have no choice. Once it's accepted by people as normal (or even before), it will slowly reach its way into cheap meat for fast food, filler for real meat (see pink slime) and at some point, natural meat will probably be only used as an advertising point for any food you buy pre-made. Oh, and "made with natural meat" wont mean you'll have no lab grown meat, WITH being the key word, like made WITH whole grain. So do watch out for that. 

[Syntaxvgm]

4 minutes ago, bitsandpieces said:

I'm gonna chuckle - don't you see the chicken and egg problem?

no.

2 minutes ago, bitsandpieces said:

Can be? But it's not? What's the point?

it's also about 50 grand a burger patty, so it's current state is a moot point as it's not anything but testing as of yet. 

[bitsandpieces]

2 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

miss the point entirely and quote half the post. You know shit like milk comes from different cows right? Lol. And hide's demand doesn't match meat demand. 

It's not about eliminating farming of animals, It's reducing the incredibly massive scale. 

No I haven't missed the point at all

What';s the number for eliminating the animals for meat from the equation, how are those numbers going to impact the end result? You do not have an answer! Why, because all of this is preaching bull crap .. oh, the irony

[The Benjamins]

1 minute ago, bitsandpieces said:

Can be? But it's not? What's the point?

what do you "But it's not" I said can due to it not being publicly available, but Lab Meat will never be exposed to poisons and chemicals natural meat is exposed to. Also Lab Meat can be made closer to stores and cities allowing for it to be fresher due to shorter shipping times.

[Syntaxvgm]

1 minute ago, bitsandpieces said:

No I haven't missed the point at all

What';s the number for eliminating the animals for meat from the equation, how are those numbers going to impact the end result? You do not have an answer!

stop half quoting me. 

I've already covered that, I'm done. You're clearly just in your own world and that's a-ok. 

[bitsandpieces]

2 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

no.

it's also about 50 grand a burger patty, so it's current state is a moot point as it's not anything but testing as of yet. 

1. I haven't asked you

2. I don't eat burgers, the main problem the US needs to solve is what they eat, then all of those related issues will be addressed

[Syntaxvgm]

Just now, bitsandpieces said:

1. I haven't asked you

2. I don't eat burgers, the main problem the US needs to solve is what they eat, then all of those related issues will be addressed

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grow meat just like fucking plants wow what a novel idea? 

[MoonSpot]

3 hours ago, Shally said:

I'm shocked at how many people of this sub aren't willing to even consider changing their ways even when told about how beneficial this stuff is.

You've not been paying attention.  Wait till you see a topic about which is the best anti-virus software and you'll quickly witness a techsite community largely and loudly pull the worst answer out of not even having one and then they'll promote the ludicrous notion.

[The Benjamins]

50 minutes ago, Okjoek said:

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, bitsandpieces said:

No I haven't missed the point at all

What';s the number for eliminating the animals for meat from the equation, how are those numbers going to impact the end result? You do not have an answer! Why, because all of this is preaching bull crap .. oh, the irony

That video gives some numbers of cows raised and killed soley for meat production.

[bitsandpieces]

2 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

what do you "But it's not" I said can due to it not being publicly available, but Lab Meat will never be exposed to poisons and chemicals natural meat is exposed to. Also Lab Meat can be made closer to stores and cities allowing for it to be fresher due to shorter shipping times.

Huh!? Chemicals and poisons? You mean like the chemicals and poisons that have to go into producing synthetic meat? What a joke!

 

"fresher due to shorter shipping"?! Is the meat not fresh? What the hell are you even implying?

[bitsandpieces]

I'm gonna stop replying on this topic because some people only seem interested into preaching and not having a true debate on the why

There's also the issue that meat contains some nutrients needed for the human body to develop, nutrients that can't be synthesized and have to be sourced from natural meat

 

True NPCs 

[The Benjamins]

Just now, bitsandpieces said:

Huh!? Chemicals and poisons? You mean like the chemicals and poisons that have to go into producing synthetic meat? What a joke!

 

"fresher due to shorter shipping"?! Is the meat not fresh? What the hell are you even implying?

Have you never heard of pesticides, cleaning products, antibiotics, preservatives.

[The Benjamins]

@bitsandpieces are you able to respond with out it being some pre canned, pre programmed response that does not disregard the facts. What kinda logic is it to use poisons in a food product created in a sterile lab environment. Labs are far cleaner then farms.

[williamcll]

12 minutes ago, bitsandpieces said:

Huh!? Chemicals and poisons? You mean like the chemicals and poisons that have to go into producing synthetic meat? What a joke!

 

"fresher due to shorter shipping"?! Is the meat not fresh? What the hell are you even implying?

I bet you think Vaccines are bad because they carry microbes

9 minutes ago, bitsandpieces said:

I'm gonna stop replying on this topic because some people only seem interested into preaching and not having a true debate on the why

There's also the issue that meat contains some nutrients needed for the human body to develop, nutrients that can't be synthesized and have to be sourced from natural meat

 

True NPCs 

>using the NPC on a non-political thread

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