Lab Grown Meat gets closer to see consumer plates

[Sauron]

25 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Ok, so, they consume all that to live. Which they would one way or the other if they are alive. And if we all of a sudden don't need them anymore, what do you think it would happen to them? Just released intot he wild with cows just randomly wandering through fields and forests? No. They'd basically be gone as species.

Cattle are more than capable of living in the wild, they'd be the largest animals in many ecosystems and they'd have no trouble finding food in many climates. If anything we'd have the opposite problem - we have so many cattle that simply releasing them all would destroy the ecosystem. Ideally, they'd still be on farms but not be bred (and slaughtered) as intensively as they are now.

1 hour ago, Sakkura said:

That's nonsense. Agriculture was invented around 11,000 years ago. And computers are not natural, no. When's the last time you ran into a flock of reindeer with a server or a lizard with a laptop?

[Nicnac]

Imagine there being kits someday for growing your own burger at home lol. I would certainly try it if it meant some "organic" cheaply grown meat for a burger 1-2 additional days a week cause good burger meat is getting more and more expensive. Would certainly be interesting and I'd be kinda open for it. That said, I'd still value a real meat burger over lab grown any day  

[Sauron]

7 minutes ago, Nicnac said:

Imagine there being kits someday for growing your own burger at home lol. I would certainly try it if it meant some "organic" cheaply grown meat for a burger 1-2 additional days a week cause good burger meat is getting more and more expensive. Would certainly be interesting and I'd be kinda open for it. That said, I'd still value a real meat burger over lab grown any day  

Ehh, I think this would be a lot cheaper to produce in bulk than to make at home.

[RejZoR]

43 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Cattle are more than capable of living in the wild, they'd be the largest animals in many ecosystems and they'd have no trouble finding food in many climates. If anything we'd have the opposite problem - we have so many cattle that simply releasing them all would destroy the ecosystem. Ideally, they'd still be on farms but not be bred (and slaughtered) as intensively as they are now.

Their survival in the wild isn't questionable, the space for them is. Would you as a farmer like that some random cows are wandering over your fields and mowing your crops? And I'm not even talking herds of them, I'm talking ~10 cows doing that. No farmer would like that. I live in countryside and no farmer would want that to be happening. So, the problem isn't survival, it's the living space where we'd allow them to be.

[Sauron]

2 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Their survival in the wild isn't questionable, the space for them is. Would you as a farmer like that some random cows are wandering over your fields and mowing your crops? And I'm not even talking herds of them, I'm talking ~10 cows doing that. No farmer would like that. I live in countryside and no farmer would want that to be happening. So, the problem isn't survival, it's the living space where we'd allow them to be.

Why would it be different from deer or wild boars?

[Supportsneedlove]

18 hours ago, dizmo said:

Clearly you've never heard of free range, or small farms where they only have a small handful of animals.

Vastly different than commercial farms.

I don't know where this is viable, where I'm from anything less than 200 cows isn't even enough to live off of. 

[GoldenLag]

How long untill we farm meat instead of traditional farming?

 

Its really just very advanced farming. 

[Shally]

I'm shocked at how many people of this sub aren't willing to even consider changing their ways even when told about how beneficial this stuff is. It will literally save so many lives in the long run but "hur dur I want natural meat with my natural medication and my natural lifestyle, who cares if it's killing both humans and animals"

[Shally]

2 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Its really just very advanced farming. 

I like this take on things. Were farming cows before their even conceived that's how smart humans have gotten.

[Shally]

8 hours ago, Lach1230 said:

Parents own some land (6 Acres) Have a couple head of Dexter cattle on it, worm/fly treatment a few times a year. Some food in the dry months thats about it. Harvest at 9-12 months for 60-80kg of meat.

 

(Not very uncommon in Australia at least)

 

You pay a butcher to come kill, butcher and dispose of the cow for a few hundred.

 

I'll defiantly try it, but I don't think ill stop eating natural meat.

That's good, I don't mind that at all. But those farms make up a tiny % of the meat being farmed.

[GoldenLag]

4 minutes ago, Shally said:

I like this take on things. Were farming cows before their even conceived that's how smart humans have gotten.

I mean crops and farm animals today are just selectivly bread food machines.

 

Crops and farm animals today arent what they once were. 

 

I do like farm animals, and animal cruelty is awful. Meat without animals is just very advanced farming for meat. 

[ADM-Ntek]

as someone coming from a region that is 80% cattle ranch this worries me. i can see the benefit but i can also see it ruin the entire area.

[Tech_Dreamer]

on the bright side this will indeed reduce those brutal slaughter from our side if it comes down to this being an alternative & people widely accepting it,  technically seeing it as 'life as nature provide we can co-exist without harming another species or in from a moral high ground (a proper one) this is actually a good thing.

 

on the other side , how it will impact things?  in terms of Natural & authentic to manufactured & lab grown.  i'm pretty sure if you were offered fresh coconut water in a glass & on another flavored water with added mineral & vitamins similar to that of coconut that tastes the same , you'd prefer the actual thing, but that entirely depends on personal politics, i've argued with vegans before , so people have reasons to follow things in a certain way . so preference will be a big factor here.

 

every living thing in the food chain have survived in this planet for so long sudden change maybe good or maybe bad , we may have reduced cancer causing agents if this is much cleaner form of food material, so it might be good, or might mutate our system in long term due to sudden change & bite back harder , who knows?

[GoldenLag]

4 minutes ago, ADM-Ntek said:

as someone coming from a region that is 80% cattle ranch this worries me. i can see the benefit but i can also see it ruin the entire area.

is other types of farming possible or does the region make it unprofitable to run different farming produces?

 

currently live in a region that relies on animal farming somewhat due to limited farmable land. farming is going down in my region so i wouldnt see this affecting too much as smaller farms sadly have to be annexed for people who need to produce potatoes, carrots or refitted for cherry farming. (town went from no cherry farming to 50% of the country output very quickly)

[The Benjamins]

10 minutes ago, ADM-Ntek said:

as someone coming from a region that is 80% cattle ranch this worries me. i can see the benefit but i can also see it ruin the entire area.

Well complex meats are still far away, like steak. But I don't think natural meat will ever die, it will just become the premium option.

[Master Delta Chief]

Here: 

This video here somewhat explains in simplified manner on whether if GMO's are bad or not. There are sources available in the description of the video which would most likely explain a few things more detailed. 

 

[Jito463]

4 hours ago, Sakkura said:

When's the last time you ran into a flock of reindeer with a server or a lizard with a laptop?

Just yesterday, in fact.  Why, just the other day I was having a fascinating conversation with a lizard over the benefits of AMD vs Intel.

1 hour ago, Shally said:

I'm shocked at how many people of this sub aren't willing to even consider changing their ways even when told about how beneficial this stuff is.

Perhaps because we're less trusting than you that this actually is beneficial.

[bitsandpieces]

20 hours ago, Syntaxvgm said:

to reduce the cost, space, and energy of producing meat. 

By consuming energy, wasting space and have some unknown priced synthetic meat?!

Why would anyone buy this?

[Syntaxvgm]

8 minutes ago, bitsandpieces said:

By consuming energy, wasting space and have some unknown priced synthetic meat?!

Why would anyone buy this?

are you...implying synthetic meat would cost more in terms of energy and space to make? 

Do you not know the energy that goes into one steak? Like it's ludicrous, and it's amazing we can farm on the scale we already do.

The total efficiency factor, ignoring space, is like less than 5% of the inputs. 

[bitsandpieces]

Just now, Syntaxvgm said:

are you...implying synthetic meat would cost more in terms of energy and space to make? 

Do you not know the energy that goes into one steak? Like it's ludicrous, and it's amazing we can farm on the scale we already do.

No, I'm implying that you are still required to put resources in this synthetic meat to be produced

And what will you do with the animals? exterminate them?

 

On a side note: a hunter over here spoke about endangered species, animals that have been banned from being hunted

For example bears, they started to wonder out of the woods and going into towns and local villages because there's no longer interest and money in feeding them into the wild, so they wonder outside their natural habitat for food

[Jtalk4456]

19 hours ago, ignaloidas said:

I've seen quite disagreeing opinions here. I think that this is neither good, neither bad development. Lab grown meet is cool and all, but if all the meat becomes lab-grown, then who's going to use the "lover lever" crops, that make up up to 50% of all grown crops? Currently such crops are used only by farms and considered not suitable for human usage. If farms cease to exist, then no one be around to use such crops. So who is going to eat them? You? Or should we just burn it? Currently farm sizes are mostly limited by the amount of feed it can get. If no one is going to use that feed, who's gonna pay to farmers for they crop, now that only 50% of it is usable and other goes to waste? There are a lot of questions about this stuff, and if we don't find answers, it's not going to end well. /philosophy

 

Still pretty cool.

they could grow something different...

[Shally]

Just now, bitsandpieces said:

No, I'm implying that you are still required to put resources in this synthetic meat to be produced

And what will you do with the animals? exterminate them?

 

On a side note: a hunter over here spoke about endangered species, animals that have been banned from being hunted

For example bears, they started to wonder out of the woods and going into towns and local villages because there's no longer interest and money in feeding them into the wild, so they wonder outside their natural habitat for food

Turn the excess into meat. 

And the energy to make lab meat is FAR less than normal meat

[Shally]

17 minutes ago, Jito463 said:

Just yesterday, in fact.  Why, just the other day I was having a fascinating conversation with a lizard over the benefits of AMD vs Intel.

Perhaps because we're less trusting than you that this actually is beneficial.

Well were 100% sure the method we have to day is NOT beneficial.

[bitsandpieces]

10 minutes ago, Shally said:

Turn the excess into meat. 

What constitutes excess? We still need cows, sheep, goats for milk and other byproducts (wool, hides, etc)

So, the resources would not be actually reduced at all

[Tristerin]

Tool Users and Tool Creators.  Two types of humans exist and they are separated by intelligence delta's.  The Tool Creators make it so that the Tool Users can exist on this planet in a relatively comfortable fashion (see also first ape to use a twig down an anthole to get them to climb the twig and then eat the ants off his new tool, now its engrained in the species).  What we have here is Tool Creators creating something Tool Users don't understand, and the User (who historically massively out populate the Creators) will fight it (with violence and ignorance) until they either (see Dark Ages, Salem Witch Trials) win, or lose in the long run to science.

 

If its meat, by the definition and molecular structure I see no problem.  But I will not be a Alpha or Beta "Tester" to this meat that is for sure.