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Any technical issues going from i7 8086K < i9 9900K with a Z370 motherboard?

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Posted · Original PosterOP

I am tempted to sell my de-lidded i7 8086K and 'upgrade' to a i9 9900K as it will be quite cheap for me considering how much i'll get for my 8086K. I know i won't realistically notice much performance difference, but would be nice to upgrade to 8 cores whilst i'll still get a decent amount of money for my CPU.

 

I'm just wondering if there will be any technical issues, as i know the i9's work different in-line with memory speeds (or something?) also i have a Z370 motherboard rather than the newer Z390...

 

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Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix Z370-F ATX

CPU: De-lidded i7 8086K @ OC 5.1 GHz

CPU Fan: NZXT Kraken X62 Liquid Cooler

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RAM: Corsair Vengeance LED & RGB 32GB (4x8GB) @ 3200MHz

Storage (OS): Samsung 960 Evo 250GB NVMe SSD

Storage (Games): Samsung 850 Evo 500GB SSD

Storage (Other): Seagate Barracuda 3TB 7200RPM HDD

PSU: Corsair HX850i (Platinum)


CPU: De-lidded i7 8086K @ OC 5.1 GHz

CPU Fan: NZXT Kraken X62 Liquid Cooler

GPU: RTX 2080 Ti Zotac Gaming AMP Edition

RAM: Corsair Vengeance LED / RGB 32GB (4x8GB) @ 3200MHz

Storage (OS): Samsung 960 Evo 250GB NVMe SSD

Storage (Games): Samsung 850 Evo 500GB SSD

Storage (Other): Seagate Barracuda 3TB 7200RPM HDD

PSU: Corsair HX850i (Platinum)

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Case: Phanteks Enthoo Evolv Gunmetal

Monitor: Asus ROG Swift PG258Q

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Ought to work fine, but why?


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Posted · Original PosterOP
2 minutes ago, OrbitalBuzzsaw said:

Ought to work fine, but why?

2 more cores for little difference in price. I can shift my CPU for more than what i paid even. 


CPU: De-lidded i7 8086K @ OC 5.1 GHz

CPU Fan: NZXT Kraken X62 Liquid Cooler

GPU: RTX 2080 Ti Zotac Gaming AMP Edition

RAM: Corsair Vengeance LED / RGB 32GB (4x8GB) @ 3200MHz

Storage (OS): Samsung 960 Evo 250GB NVMe SSD

Storage (Games): Samsung 850 Evo 500GB SSD

Storage (Other): Seagate Barracuda 3TB 7200RPM HDD

PSU: Corsair HX850i (Platinum)

Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix Z370-F ATX

Case: Phanteks Enthoo Evolv Gunmetal

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Just now, TheBritishVillain said:

2 more cores for little difference in price. I can shift my CPU for more than what i paid even. 

If you want I guess.


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Usually the z370 boards aren't as able to handle the power load the 9th gen cpus and cause them to power throttle. I believe it is more of an issue at stock though and has something to do with the default power settings of z370 motherboards. I don't see why you would want to upgrade to a thermal nuclear reactor that even a 240mm AIO can't handle. 

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6 minutes ago, TheBritishVillain said:

as i know the i9's work different in-line with memory speeds (or something?)

nope, their memory controller is still the same so memory speeds should be the same, aside from silicon lottery factor.

 

7 minutes ago, TheBritishVillain said:

I'm just wondering if there will be any technical issues

VRM temperature could be a concern


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The best thing to do is reading the clock speed that doesnt end in a pair of zeros. Software voltage readings are wrong if your motherboard's not a high end model

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Posted · Original PosterOP
3 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

Usually the z370 boards aren't as able to handle the power load the 9th gen cpus and cause them to power throttle. I believe it is more of an issue at stock though and has something to do with the default power settings of z370 motherboards. I don't see why you would want to upgrade to a thermal nuclear reactor that even a 240mm AIO can't handle. 

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

nope, their memory controller is still the same so memory speeds should be the same, aside from silicon lottery factor.

 

VRM temperature could be a concern

Oh do they get quite hot?

 

Aren't they soldered to the IHS now though? I thought the temps would be great! :/

 


CPU: De-lidded i7 8086K @ OC 5.1 GHz

CPU Fan: NZXT Kraken X62 Liquid Cooler

GPU: RTX 2080 Ti Zotac Gaming AMP Edition

RAM: Corsair Vengeance LED / RGB 32GB (4x8GB) @ 3200MHz

Storage (OS): Samsung 960 Evo 250GB NVMe SSD

Storage (Games): Samsung 850 Evo 500GB SSD

Storage (Other): Seagate Barracuda 3TB 7200RPM HDD

PSU: Corsair HX850i (Platinum)

Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix Z370-F ATX

Case: Phanteks Enthoo Evolv Gunmetal

Monitor: Asus ROG Swift PG258Q

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2 minutes ago, TheBritishVillain said:

Oh do they get quite hot?

 

Aren't they soldered to the IHS now though? I thought the temps would be great! :/

 

VRM is a MB component, not a CPU component.


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1 minute ago, TheBritishVillain said:

Oh do they get quite hot?

 

Aren't they soldered to the IHS now though? I thought the temps would be great! :/

 

Nope they run hot af. Look at some reviews if you want to see. der8auer does a good job of explaining why the new chips are so hot. 

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3 minutes ago, TheBritishVillain said:

Oh do they get quite hot?

 

Aren't they soldered to the IHS now though? I thought the temps would be great! :/

 

soldering isnt magic, it won't compensate the extra 2 cores. In fact because of the increased thickness, soldered CPU doesnt do nearly as good as delided paste CPU.


Studying abroad, ditched the crappy laptop for a mobile workstation/gaming laptop double WITH CRAPPY THERMAL PASTE THAT 1/2 THE CINEBENCH SCORE

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (1700MHz 0.812V) RAM: 12GB DDR4-2666 CL19 (timings are so loose, might as well have lower frequency). Storage: 128GB Toshiba NVMe SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) Monitor: 1080p 120Hz IPS G-sync

 

The best thing to do is reading the clock speed that doesnt end in a pair of zeros. Software voltage readings are wrong if your motherboard's not a high end model

CPU: i7-2600K 4493MHz (multiplier: 43x) 1.35V (software) --> 1.4V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 104.5MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 10-11-11-30 2T 2133MHz, custom: 10-11-10-30 1T 2229MHz) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 2 exhausts Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (OC'd 150Hz) TN Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Results: Cinebench R15 Single thread:159 Multi-thread: 770 (thx Meltdown Spectre patch) Super Pi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.11s 1M: 8.4s 32M: 7m 45.9s

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4 minutes ago, TheBritishVillain said:

Oh do they get quite hot?

 

Aren't they soldered to the IHS now though? I thought the temps would be great! :/

 

You need to do at least 1 review before you do this, I think.

 

Going up 2 cores as you say, but will you even use them?  I don't see any reason for the upgrade, what do you do that will utilize the 9900K besides just wanting to buy something new (which I do as well)?

 

I think you need to be aware of the issues, and then if you still want to upgrade while being informed... do it ;) 


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5 minutes ago, TheBritishVillain said:

Oh do they get quite hot?

 

Aren't they soldered to the IHS now though? I thought the temps would be great! :/

 

Honestly with yours delidded and at 5.1 i would say there is 0 reason to switch. 

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41 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

Honestly with yours delidded and at 5.1 i would say there is 0 reason to switch. 

Yeah it seems like staying as i am is the best way to go. 2 more cores would be nice, but just not worth it considering the temps i get now even at max load.


CPU: De-lidded i7 8086K @ OC 5.1 GHz

CPU Fan: NZXT Kraken X62 Liquid Cooler

GPU: RTX 2080 Ti Zotac Gaming AMP Edition

RAM: Corsair Vengeance LED / RGB 32GB (4x8GB) @ 3200MHz

Storage (OS): Samsung 960 Evo 250GB NVMe SSD

Storage (Games): Samsung 850 Evo 500GB SSD

Storage (Other): Seagate Barracuda 3TB 7200RPM HDD

PSU: Corsair HX850i (Platinum)

Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix Z370-F ATX

Case: Phanteks Enthoo Evolv Gunmetal

Monitor: Asus ROG Swift PG258Q

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1 hour ago, TheBritishVillain said:

 

Or you could sell the CPU/motherboard/cooler and get yourself a glorious 12 core system


Where the 12 core CPU is like 220 GBP cheaper than the 9900K...jesus intel why.
 

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