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Copper Tubing is HARD

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Posted · Original PosterOP

much shiny, very metal, such copper, sorta late.

 

 

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I can't believe they actually thought that buying coiled tubing and straightening it would work.


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Credit where credits due.... this is actualy a nice build from LTT for once :D

 

 

EDIT: would have to agree though that the idea of buying coiled copper pipe was rather ...silly.


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Great build, it looks brilliant. But why are all the fans set to exhaust? 


 

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11 minutes ago, Enderman said:

I can't believe they actually thought that buying coiled tubing and straightening it would work.

Agreed.  I actually laughed out loud when he mentioned they went coiled first.

 

Nice video and that distribution block looks really good in there.


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Posted · Original PosterOP
17 minutes ago, Enderman said:

I can't believe they actually thought that buying coiled tubing and straightening it would work.

We wanted to try every approach, and it's actually a method shown off by GeForce Garage lol.

 

 


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They tried coiled first because it comes already bendable. Straight tubing is normally not bendable (the annealing trick they used is a new one for me).


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2 minutes ago, jakkuh_t said:

We wanted to try every approach, and it's actually a method shown off by GeForce Garage lol.

 

Sure, it's good to try, but you can still see in the video that the pipes aren't very straight.

 

They don't zoom in close like you guys did though.

Also they paint them black which hides the imperfections even more.

Their straightening did end up much better than yours though.


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This has been an educational thread for me. While I never will use water cooling on a computer, I do use copper tube and pipe for various things, including (gasp!) plumbing and I picked up a few tricks here that could prove useful someday.


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Wouldn't be easier just rang an plumber? for some advice from someone with experience.
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long story short; few years ago our entire apartment complex did go thru water pipe renewal, each apartment could choose between plastic and copper pipe (main raiser was plastic anyway, which we weren't told), so we did go for copper. It took them WAAAY longer to install copper pipes, but they did whole kitchen+bathroom in like an hour, each pipe cut and bend COLD. no sand either.

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There are several techniques that can be used to straighten annealed copper. I've used the tool that you showed that uses wheels on all four sides. It won't get it perfectly straight, but it does a pretty good job. I've used it to create straight tube runs in a prior build.

 

Another technique is using a vice and hammer. Basically you clamp one end of the tubing into a vice, clamp the other end into vice grips, then (being careful) use a hammer or mallet and strike the vice grips a couple times. Also works quite well and is much faster than using the straightening tool. Only downside is that you're sacrificing several inches of tubing off what you're straightening. Works well on thinner tubing, and I've used it on 1/2" OD annealed copper before I discovered the straightening tool.

 

 

As an alternative to straightening it, you can use 90-degree F-to-F or 90-degree hardline-to-hardline fittings.


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While everyone is talking about the copper method, I'm staring at that Barrow res piece. I've been eyeing up the 011 Dynamic for my next build and I never knew anyone made stuff like that. Might have to look into getting one for when I get the case.

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@jakkuh_t Out of curiosity did you forget masking tape on purpose or by accident? That over spray makes it look ugly...

 

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Edit: also tell Linus 400 grit sandpaper is not rough... For copper yes, for a lot of things no...

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Ehrmahgerd how do I not build this exact PC?  I've been debating a new machine ever since that pco11 dynamic launched AND this is what I do for a living in the summer, I bend pipe!

 

Who ever worked on this project will appreciate the first pic, there are at least *6 different vector's for the bend's, it's going from a fixed point in the wall to a semi-fixed point on the AC unit and it all has to be done in one go, no second chances without pulling a new $200 50ft copper lineset *(most people use fitting's but that add's a point of failure).  Last two are my current machine.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, HimymCZe said:

Wouldn't be easier just rang an plumber? for some advice from someone with experience.
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long story short; few years ago our entire apartment complex did go thru water pipe renewal, each apartment could choose between plastic and copper pipe (main raiser was plastic anyway, which we weren't told), so we did go for copper. It took them WAAAY longer to install copper pipes, but they did whole kitchen+bathroom in like an hour, each pipe cut and bend COLD. no sand either.

Sure, calling a plumber is easier. It's also more expensive and you don't always get exactly what you want. Besides, many people just like to do things for themselves and often can do a better job than the pros since they aren't on the clock and competing for the job.

 

I sounds to me like they used soft drawn copper tubing on your job which is the same as coiled copper tubing. Rigid copper pipe can't be bent much without kinking unless it is annealed first.


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The satin finish on that copper is definitely nice but it just requires too much work. I'd be happier with polished stainless steel with some contrasting dark chrome fittings using either black or gold blocks.

 

Also, doing one 90 degree bend is easy - you didn't even mention doing multiple bends (45's and 90's) on the same piece. That's where the real skill is at and where you will find the proper showcase builds.

 

Hardline tubing is all about looks and offers ZERO extra functionality over soft tube. I can see it working in tight spots linking multiple blocs, but that's also why they have fittings and adapters to do the same job. If anything, it's more a PITA when doing maintenance and draining/flushing the loop. You cannot integrate a quick disconnect and makes assembly/disassembly more complicated than necessary.

 

When all the craze was hardline acrylic and fancy colored piss a few years back I went with soft colored tubing in my build using regular distilled water. No clogging of blocks, no fluid breakdown, no changing of color and no need to take apart and clean my blocks and radiators. It's been running 24/7 for almost 4 years now with just a drain and fresh coolant refill every 12-18 months. Honestly I'm happier with the RGB lighting I now have as opposed to any colored fluid that would have ruined my hardware.

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So I'm curious: This video claims that even with a giant coil of copper tubing they couldn't transfer much heat. But then wasn't a high level of heat transfer with copper the reasoning behind why whole room water cooling didn't work? I was never quite clear on that.


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4 hours ago, Egg-Roll said:

@jakkuh_t Out of curiosity did you forget masking tape on purpose or by accident? That over spray makes it look ugly...

 

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Edit: also tell Linus 400 grit sandpaper is not rough... For copper yes, for a lot of things no...

I masked them with paper as best I could, but was running out of time for the build. A little bit of overspray is fine as the fans cover it up anyways. :P


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3 hours ago, Cyanara said:

So I'm curious: This video claims that even with a giant coil of copper tubing they couldn't transfer much heat. But then wasn't a high level of heat transfer with copper the reasoning behind why whole room water cooling didn't work? I was never quite clear on that.

Whole Room didn't work because there was corrosion due to mixed metals in the copper pipes and waterblocks.

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1 hour ago, jakkuh_t said:

I masked them with paper as best I could, but was running out of time for the build. A little bit of overspray is fine as the fans cover it up anyways. :P

Ah ok :D You got saved by the fans. But yea masking tape works wonders and shouldn't take more than 30 seconds assuming you have some at your disposal (use a small knife not the large ones we always see you guys using)

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14 hours ago, Velcade said:

Agreed.  I actually laughed out loud when he mentioned they went coiled first.

 

Nice video and that distribution block looks really good in there.

Coiled tubing might have been cheaper if you can get the same results by spending less why wouldn't you do that

 

Of course i could be wrong there

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