October 30th Apple Hardware Event Recap, w/ Vega?

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Apple is a big Cloud provider

They have to be in order to store all my lewds~

[kting15]

17 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Hence why you can configure each machine do be more in line with your budget. Or you could get something "more powerful for less" 

 

Use the free market to your advantage :V 

Oh no I totally get it, the fact that it's even offered is hilarious, but to be honest, the base model mac mini isn't exactly priced well either and I don't know if that's attributed to component prices not going down or what, but an i3 with 8gb of storage and a 128gb SSD really shouldn't be be $800.

 

and just to note, I really like Apple products and have been messing around with iOS since the first iPhone and macOS since I bought my first macbook in 2009 and have never considered switching to android or windows. But the fact of the matter is, no matter how you look at it, the cost of Apple products have only been going up, and that honestly looks like an industry trend as well, not just Apple product, but I digress. 

[Trixanity]

47 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Its not meant for power users :3 

This exists for a reason.

Apparently Intel has dropped 15W Iris SKUs so that's the only worthy successor for the older MBAs.

Putting Y SKUs instead of U is beyond stupid and is an attempt to push people towards MBP. The price disparity isn't too great however the performance is.

[Ginger_]

5 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Just get a modern camera with a USB-C port. iPad Pro can direct import from cameras now. 

That is just awful logic. "you have that really nice camera, but Apple doesn't like how it communicates so buy a newer camera that takes pictures that look the exact same, just has a new port to communicate with. You didnt need that $1000 for no upgrade anyway, right?" 

5 minutes ago, avg123 said:

Cameras usually have full size SD cards not micro SD, so it would not benefit any photographer. I dont think the iPad is thick enough to have a Full size sd card slot. iPads are even thinner than iPhones

That's a fair point, I'm not sure how many though, I have a canon and it uses micro 

[DrMacintosh]

2 minutes ago, Ginger_ said:

That is just awful logic. "you have that really nice camera, but Apple doesn't like how it communicates so buy a newer camera that takes pictures that look the exact same, just has a new port to communicate with. You didnt need that $1000 anyway right?" 

These are things anyone has to consider when making a purchase. Its not Apples job to make sure all your gear will work with their products. They are on Thunderbolt 3 and USB-C, if your equipment isnt and you don't like dongles then don'y buy a MacBook 

[79wjd]

10 minutes ago, avg123 said:

Cameras usually have full size SD cards not micro SD, so it would not benefit any photographer. I dont think the iPad is thick enough to have a Full size sd card slot. iPads are even thinner than iPhones

Don't forget that professional photographers aren't using SD.

[captain cactus]

So you got a MacBook Air with no usable ports whatsoever (literally the last reason to buy the old Air was because of the useful ports like USB-A and an SD slot) , an iPad that doesn't have a headphone jack but a Lighting adapter doesn't work because it now needs USB-C, any non-Apple USB-C adapters that probably don't work because USB-C is a massive steaming pile of hot garbage as a "standard" with every company doing their own thing and the last good Mac keyboard is now gone. 

 

How are these upgrades again?

[DrMacintosh]

5 minutes ago, captain cactus said:

So you got a MacBook Air with no usable ports whatsoever

Thunderbolt ports literally have 4x PCIe lanes. How is 1 Thunderbolt less usable or functional than all of the old MBA ports combined? 

5 minutes ago, captain cactus said:

an iPad that doesn't have a headphone jack but a Lighting adapter doesn't work because it now needs USB-C

Get a Audio dock or a USB-C dongle, they make plenty of pro DAW workstations for iPad Pro as well with XLR inputs and everything. 

5 minutes ago, captain cactus said:

the last good Mac keyboard is now gone. 

I got a chance to use a 2018 MacBook Pro keyboard, it feels amazing imo. 

5 minutes ago, captain cactus said:

How are these upgrades again?

Because they are better in every way? 

[D13H4RD]

17 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Just get a modern camera with a USB-C port. iPad Pro can direct import from cameras now. 

Actually, you don't have to dump that old Canon EOS 5D for an X-T3 or A7Riii just for that USB-C port. 

7 minutes ago, 79wjd said:

Don't forget that professional photographers aren't using SD.

Eh, I'm not so sure. Many new higher end cameras have SD UHS-II slots.

 

Medium format cameras like the X1D from Hasselblad and Fujifilm's GFX 50S use SD cards alongside most cameras. The professional ones often have 2, with one supporting UHS-II speeds like the A7Riii

[79wjd]

 

1 minute ago, D13H4RD said:

Eh, I'm not so sure. Many new higher end cameras have SD UHS-II slots 

Professional cameras have SD as a secondary if at all. CF has dominated the space for years and now XQD/CF.

[avg123]

4 minutes ago, captain cactus said:

So you got a MacBook Air with no usable ports whatsoever (literally the last reason to buy the old Air was because of the useful ports like USB-A and an SD slot) , an iPad that doesn't have a headphone jack but a Lighting adapter doesn't work because it now needs USB-C, any non-Apple USB-C adapters that probably don't work because USB-C is a massive steaming pile of hot garbage as a "standard" with every company doing their own thing and the last good Mac keyboard is now gone. 

  

How are these upgrades again?

Why are people obsessed with SD card slots? Unless someone regularly uses a DSLR, nobody needs a SD card slot. For the rare occasion that someone needs it, they can use an adapter. I gave never used the SD card slot of my windows laptop.

[yian88]

Next up APple remove iphone cameras and you need to buy external apple camera 500$

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, yian88 said:

Next up APple remove iphone cameras and you need to buy external apple camera 500$

You're not memeing hard enough

[D13H4RD]

26 minutes ago, 79wjd said:

 

Professional cameras have SD as a secondary if at all. CF has dominated the space for years and now XQD/CF.

You mean the Nikon/Canon superfast burst cameras?

 

A lot of the cameras that I know of (Sony A7Riii, Hasselblad X1D, Fujifilm GFX 50S, Canon EOS 5D Mark IV) primarily support SD with the exception of the 5D. CFast/XQD  seems to be a thing on cameras with superfast bursts alongside broadcast ones.

 

The EOS R only has one slot for an SD card.

 

It would make sense that an EOS 1DXII and Nikon D5 supports CFast/XQD respectively. These cameras are built for speed in order to satisfy action photographers, of which the speeds of XQD/CFast would satisfy.

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, VegetableStu said:

yeah I dropped this detail when my SD card reader broke on my MBP, LOL

("fixing" a USB card reader is much cheaper)

Also an integrated reader is limited by its standard when it was made, a reader can hook up to theoretically 4x PCIe and just cram all the data in. 

[avg123]

6 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Also an integrated reader is limited by its standard when it was made, a reader can hook up to theoretically 4x PCIe and just cram all the data in. 

I mean, if you can carry around a giant dSLR, then you can also carry around a small SD card reader in the same camera bag, so you have one available every where you take the camera. Its not that difficult.

[D13H4RD]

2 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

EOS 1DX mark II has 1x CFast and 1x CF, but that's about it if I remember right

1DX Mark II alongside the Nikon D5

 

XQD/CFast cards are commonly found in cameras which have a very high burst rate and broadcast camcorders. They're less common than SD but their high transfer rate allows the 1DX Mark II/D5 to continuously fire in bursts for over 100 images before the buffer fills.

 

SD is normally used up to professional cameras designed for slower-paced shooting like the A7Riii and medium format cameras. Because they don't have quite as high of a burst rate, the lower transfer rate of SD is just fine for those purposes.

[Trixanity]

This is the most interesting thing coming out of this event.

 

Although if those numbers correspond to CUs, then it's a bit disappointing performance wise. 

[GoldenLag]

3 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

Although if those numbers correspond to CUs, then it's a bit disappointing performance wise.

compared to what they had before its a step forward.

[DrMacintosh]

8 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

This is the most interesting thing coming out of this event.

 

Although if those numbers correspond to CUs, then it's a bit disappointing performance wise. 

Oh, I didn’t notice that. Thankfully I didn’t buy one yet. Hopefully that Vega 20 performs better than The Radeon Pro 560X does! I really want a medium gaming portable Mac. Lol

[Trixanity]

7 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

compared to what they had before its a step forward.

It is but not the step forward it could have been.

It has 4/8 more CUs, a lot more memory bandwidth and presumably higher clock speed. That's very good compared to the RX550/555 which for some reason is the maximum available to MBP. I actually thought it was RX560 when I posted before.  That would have meant either the same amount of CUs or 4 more for the bigger SKU. So I've corrected myself in that regard.

Edit: RX560 actually does exist. So the new top SKU does only have 4 more CUs than the previous top SKU.

 

I was expecting Vega Mobile to be 24/28 CUs instead of 16/20. That's a pretty big difference. That's where my disappointment lies.

 

I'm assuming Apple dictated the specs and wanted specific TDP range which a higher CU part would have had issues with.

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, Trixanity said:

I actually thought it was RX560

The 2018 15” MBP has RX 550X as the highest config. RX 550/555 was the 2017 model. 

[Master Delta Chief]

The Mac Mini's base model price tag is a little on the disappointing side since it starts with an i3 plus 128GB SSD. Not saying the i3 is bad (especially since this is a Quad-Core version), but I think for that price point we should at least expect and i5 to be used as well as a much larger space capacity. On the plus side though, RAM upgradability seems to be back.

[D13H4RD]

46 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

EOS 1DX mark II has 1x CFast and 1x CF, but that's about it if I remember right

Sorry for the double quote but I had to expand on my prior explanation. 

 

Not too long ago, choosing between an SD card or a CF card for your camera largely depended on your budget and your camera. If you had a point-and-shoot, you went for the SD card as they were cheaper. If you had a high-end DSLR, you'd go with a CF card anyday of the week because they were larger in capacity and were oftentimes faster. 

 

These days, CF is known as a dying standard. That's because of mainly 2 things. 

• SD cards got better. Whilst CF went into the very limits of its technology, the SD card continued to evolve into the current UHS-II standard, which was just as fast as a CF card in real world use whilst being less fragile, cheaper and smaller whilst also being extremely ubiquitous with increasing capacity. 
• The mirrorless revolution. Notice that many of the cameras I mentioned like the A7Riii that primarily uses SD (except the 5D obviously) only use said cards as their storage medium and are mirrorless. That's primarily due to size. CF cards are quite a bit larger than SD cards, and since the size reduction versus a DSLR is often touted as a key selling point for a mirrorless, the extra space that a CF slot would require was chopped alongside whatever was needed for the mechanical shutter. 

CFast and XQD are proposed standards to replace CF, but are so far only found on cameras with high speed bursts and broadcast camcorders, with one notable exception being the Nikon D850. 

 

You can still find CF slots in many upper end DSLRs like Canon's 5D Mk4 and the Nikon D810, but most-if not-all mirrorless cameras ranging from the entry-level to the professional range usually only contain up to 2 SD slots, with one supporting UHS-II. 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, VegetableStu said:

you know, for some reason i love how this corner looks, LOL

 

I've hated that camera for so long now. Why do they make a camera that sticks out . OCD nightmare, can't lie phone flat on a surface.