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12 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

I am comparing final cut to premiere on the same hardware. One is written by Apple and due to it's closed ecosystem they know exactly what hardware will be using it. Premiere has to be written to work on a very broad range of hardware. You can't argue this as it's a fact. Apple optimizes its software much better due to the fact it's a closed ecosystem. This is a large selling point and negative at the same time

FCP is faster because it uses quicksync, not some apple magic.

 

Apple's SoCs also happens to be extremely powerful and iOS prioritized single core performance over multicore -- that doesn't mean that iOS is more optimized because it uses fewer cores. iOS also renders at a higher resolution and downscales to the screens resolution on the 6/6s/7/8 -- not exactly optimized.

 

iOS certainly handles memory better though.

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1 hour ago, suicidalfranco said:

even the 12" Macbook is better valued than this

The $1,300 macbook with an outdated core m3? Sort of a better value, though so are a lot of other ultrabooks. But I do see the point of this Samsung thing , its more than enough for basic tasks just dont run 100's of chrome tabs.

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1 hour ago, AluminiumTech said:

Why?

 

Android and IOS mandate 64 Bit CPUs running 64 Bit OS for the latest versions to run.

 

You can't run Android 8 on 32 Bit hardware and you can't run IOS 11 on 32 Bit hardware.

 

Frankly, 32 Bit windows still only exists for compatibility with weak hardware unable to run 64 Bit Windows. If 32 Bit Windows was no longer supported then developers would move to make all apps 64 Bit only.

What are you talking about...

Even if you had 64-bit Windows only... you would still be able to run 32-bit apps.

Did you know that Windows 32-bit can run 16-bit programs? YES in 2018!

 

For most programs a typical user has installed, 64-bit does not bring anything on the table except "ZOMG 64-bit!". There is no advantages for them to be 64-bit.

Does it need the special new instructions that was instructions in the x86-64 CPUs? Does need high precision related data types? No. You don't even come close to need to use them to run your Skype, Outlook, Weather app, Google Map, taking pictures, etc.

 

You want 64-bit for the same reason you want 8GB on such system...

You won't be playing games, you won't be running simulations, you won't be running massive data calculations, you won't be doing real time investment stock analysis, you won't be rendering videos, you won't even be doing audio montage (although its perfectly capable of), you won't even do programming on it... and if you ever do, it will be tiny small student projects that might look big to you.

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14 minutes ago, timl132 said:

Not true, the app can still run on multiple different devices, so they can't make it device specific.

Not true, just like the apple video editor(forgot it's name).

You write an app to run on an OS, not on a specific hardware set.(sometimes not even for an OS)

e.g.: If I write a game, I write it using OpenGL, not by directly accessing the GPU. That means it can be run on any hardware with OpenGL(Macos, Linux, Windows, Android etc.). If I would write the application by directly accesing the GPU, it would only work with that GPU, and if I'd do that, it'd be like returning to the DOS age when there was no DirectX and OpenGL.

The performance of the app depends completely on how the app is written, and that is the same on both MacOS and Windows.

Not true, there are too many apple platforms to optimize for apple only products. And, remember that you can run OSX on normal PC's with NVidia GPU's, that makes the ecosystem not closed at all.(About as open as Windows) Sure, apple writes the apps for their own hardware, but the apps still work on other platforms, so they can't be that well optimized.

Right that’s all correct but Apple also writes their own graphics with Metal instead of things like DX12.

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

Right that’s all correct but Apple also writes their own graphics with Metal instead of things like DX12.

Sure, but so does windows with DirectX, and Linux with Vulcan/OpenGL. And I don't think you need Metal for a video editor. They probably have something else for that.

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I think people overestimate how much memory a device needs these days.

4GB used to be the standard for systems not too many years ago, and that was when Windows 7 was out. 8GB was considered really high end and basically a waste.

The more RAM you have, the more "wasteful" Windows is, which leads to a lot of RAM being used. The less RAM you got, the less RAM Windows will allocate to things.

 

4GB is more than fine for casual user.

The problem I see with this device is that it's 1000 dollars and the hardware is really low end. The processor and RAM is something I expect from a 300 dollar computer, not a 1000 dollar computer. And this is the problem I have with Windows on ARM devices in general. They are priced the same as i5 and i7 laptops, but offer a fraction of the performance. This is not just an issue Samsung's device has. Microsoft's, Lenovo's and Asus' ARM devices have also been really expensive.

 

 

 

4 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

You are not going to game or run VMs on this system. 4GB is plenty.

Your phone needs a lot of RAM because it is an Android and runs Google's custom Java runtime, and Android is RAM intensive.

This runs Windows, and it is fine at running with 4GB of RAM

1) 4GB is plenty for casual use, but casual users shouldn't be buying 1000 dollar computers. 300 dollar computers will serve them just as well.

2) Source on Android needing more RAM? And what are you comparing it against exactly? If you're comparing it to native UWP programs on these Windows devices then sorry, but those are just as RAM intensive as Android apps.

3) Windows is not exactly lightweight either.

 

 

4 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

Incorrect. Windows 10 on ARM runs fine on a Snapdragon 835, a slower/older version of this laptop.

That depends on what you define as "runs fine". It performs about the same as some low end Atom processor. That might be fine for my grandma's use case, but when we're talking about a 1000 dollar device I expect more.

 

4 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

If you run ARM based software it compared to Core i3 performance.

Windows has next to fuck no ARM based software for it, and one of the biggest selling points of Windows on ARM is the x86 translation layer. When you run things on that, I really doubt performance will be anywhere near i3 levels.

If your argument is that it works just fine if you limit yourself to native ARM software, then I would argue that getting a Chromebook will be a far better deal since that can run Android apps.

 

4 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

People got Windows 10 on ARM running fine on a Rasbery Pi 3 which has a fraction of the performance of the older 835. 

Again, depends on what you mean by "fine". On the Raspberry Pi 3 it takes 15 minutes to boot, things like USB peripherals randomly stop working, it's buggy as hell, extremely slow (bringing up the task manager takes like 6 seconds), and the list goes on.

I think even my grandma would get annoyed by the slowness.

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1 hour ago, BuckGup said:

Uhhh negative there roger. They don't have 8 core CPUs, 6gbs of RAM, and 4000mah batteries yet it's the fastest phone on the market.

That has nothing to do with software optimization though. It's just that Apple has developed really powerful CPU cores, and put in massive GPUs in their SoCs.

Apple's quad core processor is larger than Qualcomm's 8 core processors.

 

1 hour ago, BuckGup said:

Take a look at final cut pro x performance compared to Adobe Premiere. 

It's just thanks to QuickSync.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, BuckGup said:

I am comparing final cut to premiere on the same hardware. One is written by Apple and due to it's closed ecosystem they know exactly what hardware will be using it. Premiere has to be written to work on a very broad range of hardware. You can't argue this as it's a fact. Apple optimizes its software much better due to the fact it's a closed ecosystem. This is a large selling point and negative at the same time

No, Final Cut's performance has nothing to do with "Apple knows exactly what hardware it will run on". That's not how software is developed. Hell, you don't even target specific hardware that way when writing assembly.

Wanna see what Apple's magic, super specific software optimization in Final Cut looks like?

if (GPU == Intel) {

   Encode.With.Intel.QuickSync();

}

else {

   Encode.With.Something.Else();

}

 

Obviously that's not the exact code, but that's how it works.

This myth that Apple's software developers sit there going "this processor's memory structure is this way, so let's load this B-frame that's about to be encoded into these memory registers and then run this processor-specific instruction on it!". They just write generic code and click on compile. Apple doesn't even have their own compiler (they use LLVM), so I don't get where this completely false idea comes from.

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1) 4GB is plenty for casual use, but casual users shouldn't be buying 1000 dollar computers. 300 dollar computers will serve them just as well.

To an extent. A lot of times there are huge benefits to these more expensive devices that you don't see in the "properly" spec'd $300 device that some people do care about (and if they don't, then yes, they should be getting something else/cheaper) -- 2-in-1 form factor, excellent stylus support, high res screen, battery life, LTE, Etc... 

 

$1000 is still a lot considering it's windows and windows on arm. But the whole market segment tends to run on the overpriced side.

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What are you talking about...

Even if you had 64-bit Windows only... you would still be able to run 32-bit apps.

Yes.

 

32 Bit apps and 32 Bit Windows should both die imho.

49 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

Did you know that Windows 32-bit can run 16-bit programs? YES in 2018!

-_-

 

This isn't something I'd brag about in 2018.

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So let me get this straight, everybody is complaining because this tablet ONLY has 4GB of RAM. 

In what realistic situation would somebody using this device actually require more RAM?

 

Surely the ARM processor is going to bottleneck you well before the 4GB RAM.

To me, this is like Ford announcing the new Fiesta and everybody complaining because it doesn't come with a V8, of course it bloody doesn't! If you want a car with a V8, buy a car that can actually handle the power

 

I have a tablet that I take with me when I can't carry my laptop, and when I need more power, I just remote into my desktop at home and use that.

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The only thing wrong with this device is the price. The specs are fine, it will do the job it is designed for but it's not worth the asking price 

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I thought the point of ARM devices was to be cheaper than x86? Might as well go for Intel. 

 

ARM on windows won't take off with manufacturers pulling this crap. 

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There you go, with 2GB of RAM

  • Chrome with 6 fully loaded tabs, including 1x 1080p video (4K but picked 1080p)
  • Skype
  • Word
  • Outlook
  • Spotify playing a randomly selected music that I never played before (if that matters)
  • Weather app
  • Microsoft Store app ('cause why not)
  • OneDrive (background process - Windows default - setup)
  • Windows Security/Defender (Windows default - background process)

Windows 10 is at its default configurations, logged into a Microsoft linked account (if that also matters). Cortana is enabled (not "Hey Cortana" voice recognition, though - its Windows default)

 

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  • GeForce GTX 680
  • OCZ Vertex 4 - 256GB on SATA-2
  • 1920x1200 screen resolution - 16:10 - Dell U2410
  • ASUS Xonar Essence STX - sound card

Memory floating between 1.5 to 1.7GB. System is still responsive. No wait time delay between switching app, although experience has diminished from 6GB of RAM, which is expected.

 

Now can we go to bed? Or you really want me to try 4GB of RAM?

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Yep already outdated specs, everything is against this product especially when you look at the tablet market, Android is the weakest of the three options when compared to the functionality offered on Windows tablets and iPads.

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13 minutes ago, ZacoAttaco said:

Yep already outdated specs, everything is against this product especially when you look at the tablet market, Android is the weakest of the three options when compared to the functionality offered on Windows tablets and iPads.

It's biggest issue is its value offered for the price. It is entering Surface Pro territories.

The base model of the Surface Pro 6 is $899 US. That is 8GB of RAM with 128GB SSD, Core i5 CPU (no more Core i3 model). Now, it doesn't come with a keyboard cover. But add that, and now you are $1000 US, and that device you can have any angle you want, thanks to the kickstand, not to mention, a much faster device.

 

While it is nice to see ARM devices on the market, some effort by manufacture to optimize the presented value, even if sales are low. I expect Microsoft to push the market (once again).. probably with Surface Go 2, or Andromeda project with the Snapdragon 850 or the coming up (next year): 1000 (all depending on release dates). But doing this, would be difficult for Microsoft, as Surface brand is not really about value, they are about premium devices.

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1 minute ago, GoodBytes said:

It's biggest issue is its value offered for the price. It is entering Surface Pro territories.

 The base model of the Surface Pro is $899 US. That is 8GB of RAM, Core i5 CPU (no more Core i3 model). Now, it doesn't come with a keyboard cover. But add that, and now you are $1000 US, and that device you can have any angle you want, thanks to the kickstand, not to mention, a much faster device.

 

 While it is nice to see ARM devices on the market, some effort by manufacture to optimize the presented value, even if sales are low. I expect Microsoft to push the market (once again).. probably with Surface Go 2, or Andromeda project with the Snapdragon 850 or the coming up (next year): 1000 (all depending on release dates).

  

Agreed the device is overpriced for specs and what the software offers. I if they were all the same price, it would be between an iOS device and Windows tablet for me. Unless the Android device was significantly cheaper I wouldn't even consider it.

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For people defending this having 4GB RAM:

The $1000 Galaxy Note 9, from the same company (Samsung), has 6GB RAM in its base model. Why can't this 12" 2-in-1 have 6GB RAM as well? Or 8GB? If a phone can have 6GB RAM then why can't this?

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2 minutes ago, NowakVulpix said:

For people defending this having 4GB RAM:

The $1000 Galaxy Note 9, from the same company (Samsung), has 6GB RAM in its base model. Why can't this 12" 2-in-1 have 6GB RAM as well? Or 8GB? If a phone can have 6GB RAM then why can't this?

 

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5 minutes ago, NowakVulpix said:

For people defending this having 4GB RAM:

The $1000 Galaxy Note 9, from the same company (Samsung), has 6GB RAM in its base model. Why can't this 12" 2-in-1 have 6GB RAM as well? Or 8GB? If a phone can have 6GB RAM then why can't this?

No no, the discussion is not about the value of the product. That we can agree is poor.

The discussion was that a system 4GB is not enough for anything, and as a result, the experience is lackluster. 4GB should not exists on any device, is what is being claimed, 8GB is the minimum. I, and others, were saying that 4GB is actually plenty for a great experience out of a system if you don't stuff that, such device, can't even do to start with (gaming, video editing, etc). This includes the base model Surface Go,and other system with 4GB of RAM.

 

The problem is that people open Task Manager and see how much is being used and makes a conclusion.The problem is that since Windows 10 adapts to RAM.It will load the most things it can on your RAM. I won't be surprised if the whole OS is loaded on RAM even on things you don't use if you have a 128GB of RAM.

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2 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

 

4GB is actually plenty for a great experience out of a system if you don't stuff that, such device, can't even do to start with (gaming, video editing, etc)

Not for $1000 though. 

 

If it was $300, I'd be totally fine. But for $1000, ehhhhhh

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2 minutes ago, NowakVulpix said:

For people defending this having 4GB RAM:

The $1000 Galaxy Note 9, from the same company (Samsung), has 6GB RAM in its base model. Why can't this 12" 2-in-1 have 6GB RAM as well? Or 8GB? If a phone can have 6GB RAM then why can't this?

Probably related to the 850. But it could have 128GB of RAM and  1TB of Optane eqyivalent storage and the SoC would still make this an extremely stupid purchase for any and all use cases.

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I haven't used all that much RAM under DEX, nor is that really an answer to the question asked.

 

3 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

was saying that 4GB is actually plenty for a great experience out of the device 

That's subjective, and I disagree.

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1 minute ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

Not for $1000 though. 

 

If it was $300, I'd be totally fine. But for $1000, ehhhhhh

No no, the discussion is not about the value of the product. That we can agree is poor.

The discussion was that a system 4GB is not enough for anything, and as a result, the experience is lackluster. 4GB should not exists on any device, is what is being claimed, 8GB is the minimum. I, and others, were saying that 4GB is actually plenty for a great experience out of a system if you don't stuff that, such device, can't even do to start with (gaming, video editing, etc). This includes the base model Surface Go,and other system with 4GB of RAM.

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1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

I haven't used all that much RAM under DEX, nor is that really an answer to the question asked

Just sorta showing that the phone can double as a makeshift pseudo desktop. 

 

I don't know which is better though 

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The Communicator (Apple iPhone 13 Pro)

SoC: Apple A15 Bionic | RAM: 6GB LPDDR4X | Storage: 128GB internal w/ NVMe controller | Display: 6.1" 2532x1170 "Super Retina XDR" OLED with VRR at up to 120Hz | OS: iOS 15.1

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4 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

That's subjective, and I disagree.

Not at all. I just done with 2GB of RAM. 2!!! half of 4GB, and it runs fine.

System peeks at 1.7GB out of 2GB,and that is with all that stuff loaded.

 

Maybe you are confusing a system with 4GB of RAM with one with 4GB but has something like an Atom CPU and eMMC 3 or bellow for storage.

Well, now your crappy experience isn't because of the RAM, but rather the potato.

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