Leaked Google Document shows the shift towards Censorship

[Trik'Stari]

2 minutes ago, wasab said:

You should understand that free speech was once a weapon of the liberal progressives back when a few was fighting against the intolerance of the masses. It was only very recently that the conservative pick the same weapon, appeal to the masses with the same ethos, in order to bring what is now disfavored(rascism, white nationalist ect) back into the mainstream 

Yes. That's the point I'm trying to make you understand.

 

You have become the "intolerance of the masses". You are now the villain, the bully.

 

You have become the oppressor. You can justify it all you want, but that is what you are. That is what Facebook, Google, and Twitter are becoming.

[wasab]

4 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

Yes. That's the point I'm trying to make you understand.

 

You have become the "intolerance of the masses". You are now the villain, the bully.

I wouldn't blame anyone for wishing to censor speech that contravene their moral principles . Why should they forced to publish others remarks and stance? If they wish to say blacks are subhumans, Jews are inhumans, they can make their own forums like stormfront ir consipracy channels like info wars. They always have a voice and channel to speak what they want. They can't force on others to do the same however. Why should Google be force to act as their mouth pieces? That is not free speech dude. 

[Trik'Stari]

2 minutes ago, wasab said:

I wouldn't blame anyone for wishing to censor speech that contravene their moral values. Why should they forced to publish others remarks and stance? If they wish to say blacks are subhumans, Jews are inhumans, they can make their own forums like stormfront it consipract channels like info wars. They always have a voice and channel to speak what they want. They can't force on others to do the same however. Why should Google be force to act as their mouth pieces? That is not free speech dude. 

Why? Because it's illegal.

 

The government made that clear when they sided with the gay couple over the christian bakery.

 

If that's illegal, then discriminating against someone with a certain political view must also be illegal. You can't have one without the other.

 

Also because Google, Facebook, and Twitter should not be allowed to have this amount of power over the population.

[wasab]

3 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

Why? Because it's illegal.

 

The government made that clear when they sided with the gay couple over the christian bakery.

 

If that's illegal, then discriminating against someone with a certain political view must also be illegal. You can't have one without the other.

 

Also because Google, Facebook, and Twitter should not be allowed to have this amount of power over the population.

It's not illegal cuz google just done it. You really ought to understand that free speech is by no means absolute

[Trik'Stari]

Just now, wasab said:

It's not illegal cuz google just done it. You really ought to understand that free speech is by no means absolute

And if google was sued and lost, that would be the government affirming that it is in fact illegal discrimination.

 

It having not happened yet, doesn't mean it won't. It should happen.

[wasab]

9 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

And if google was sued and lost, that would be the government affirming that it is in fact illegal discrimination.

 

It having not happened yet, doesn't mean it won't. It should happen.

it wont cuz it is not illegal. 

[dalekphalm]

3 hours ago, wasab said:

Dude, that is just double standard. If we really want to defend civil rights, we would be suing ballet theaters, cheerleading teams, Asian themes restaurants, even the Armed forces for discrimination. 

 

I say they are allow to censor. Just like I am allow to hire only Japanese chiefs if I want to convince my customers that my sushi restaurant is authentic japanese. 

I'd like to point out that men are fully able to participate in Ballet and Cheerleading.

 

Both have a long history of male participants. Granted, there's a certain social stigma associated with men in both, due to long standing sexism and gender bias.

 

As for your Asian Themed restaurant... that doesn't compute. How, exactly, is an Asian themed restaurant discriminatory?

 

Also, same with the Armed Forces? Many nations, including the US, allow women in basically all positions, including Combat positions (though to be fair, the US only recently lifted the last few prohibitions). Over 200,000 women served in the US armed forces during the recent Iraq/Afghan wars, and many saw action.

 

As for your last comment about Japanese chefs - if I was a fully qualified and traditionally trained - yet white Canadian - sushi chef, and you chose a lesser qualified Japanese sushi chef, you could get sued for discrimination over that.

[Misanthrope]

13 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

Unnecessary considering that it has ALWAYS been the same thing when put into practice.

Not unnecessary because it really is not: Anarcho-Communist would 1) Agree with many of your political views specially regarding the power the state has and 2) They would join you in denouncing Marxist-Leninists and Maoist for their authoritarian crimes precisely because the entire part about "dictatorship of the proletariat" they would consider BS

 

But if you want to keep burning bridges and pretending everybody that doesn't agrees with your generalizations and mischaracterizations doesn't has anything in common with you then by all means, others will always be more receptive and more serious about fighting authority.

[Jito463]

1 hour ago, Misanthrope said:

Anarcho-Communist

I'm going to need a clarification on that one.  How the heck does one combine anarchism and communism?

[Drak3]

40 minutes ago, Jito463 said:

I'm going to need a clarification on that one.  How the heck does one combine anarchism and communism?

Communism is Socialism with a central, single party government, anti capitalism to an absolute, and so draconian that they make the Nazis look like hippies. By definition, anarchal communism cannot and does not exist. The closest thing would be Socialism, which is a democracy, AKA mob rule.

 

They're mutually exclusive concepts.

Edited October 14, 2018 by Drak3

[Jito463]

35 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

They're mutually exclusive concepts.

I know, that's why I wanted him to clarify his position.  I'm curious to find out how that term is defined, according to him.

[Amazonsucks]

7 hours ago, Jito463 said:

I know, that's why I wanted him to clarify his position.  I'm curious to find out how that term is defined, according to him.

Pssst, most of those people dont know what they supposedly believe in or stand for

[toor]

On 10/13/2018 at 9:42 PM, wasab said:

ell, unlike government censorship, you are perfectly fine to start your own media platforms and say whatever you want if no other private platforms wish to have you.

 

We are no where near that now.   Historically that would be the case where you COULD post a message on a billboard (thus the name), and COULD hold a public demonstration at some public venue.   Do that now without a permit and you WILL be arested.   Do that WITH a permit and you're responsible for any action of the group.  That is assuming you get through all their other regulations (insurance being one).  

 

There are very few places in a typical city where you can just BE, as a group, without some permit or precondition.  "Public" has become "city owned" which means you are bound by their terms (aka by-laws).  That is assuming you can even find land that isn't held by some private company.

 

Really wish people would take more interest in local civic matters.  You don't have half the "rights" you think you do.

 

How this ties into Google is they became the public square.  Except, they aren't public at all, worse none of the laws nor natual protections we'd have with a public square, apply.  The weather for example doesn't magically wash away posts.  The venue itself isn't limited by travel, thus anyone from anywhere can post without having ANY physical presence.    Locals can't protest GOOGLE censoring their own neighbours..

 

What's perhaps most damning is local customs are squashed in favour of some bastard views of extreme left companies in Silicon Valley.   THAT needs to change.

[wasab]

21 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

I'd like to point out that men are fully able to participate in Ballet and Cheerleading.

 

Both have a long history of male participants. Granted, there's a certain social stigma associated with men in both, due to long standing sexism and gender bias.

 

As for your Asian Themed restaurant... that doesn't compute. How, exactly, is an Asian themed restaurant discriminatory?

 

Also, same with the Armed Forces? Many nations, including the US, allow women in basically all positions, including Combat positions (though to be fair, the US only recently lifted the last few prohibitions). Over 200,000 women served in the US armed forces during the recent Iraq/Afghan wars, and many saw action.

 

As for your last comment about Japanese chefs - if I was a fully qualified and traditionally trained - yet white Canadian - sushi chef, and you chose a lesser qualified Japanese sushi chef, you could get sued for discrimination over that.

i like to point out many ballet theaters and cheerleading squads do not hire men and get away with it.

 

I like to point out women are exempted from the draft in nearly all armed forces

 

I like to point out that race is a basis for job competency if like say i find Japanese chefs to fit the theme of Asian restaurants better or an african american is better fitted to act as an aifrcan zulu warrior in films.

 

I would like to point out you are practicing double standards. 

[wasab]

9 hours ago, Drak3 said:

Communism is Socialism with a central, single party government, anti capitalism to an absolute, and so draconian that they make the Nazis look like hippies. By definition, anarchal communism cannot and does not exist. The closest thing would be Socialism, which is a democracy, AKA mob rule.

 

They're mutually exclusive concepts.

communism is not a form of government so what you said is invalid. It is a socio-economic philosophy and should be treated as such. Communism is perhaps the most widely abused word in modern day history. No one calls a government capitalist so stop calling a government communist. 

[Amazonsucks]

1 minute ago, wasab said:

i like to point out many ballet theaters and cheerleading squads do not hire men and get away with it.

 

I like to point out women are exempted from the draft in nearly all armed forces

 

I like to point out that race is a basis for job competency if like say i find Japanese chefs to fit the theme of Asian restaurants better or an african american is better fitted to act as an aifrcan zulu warrior in films.

 

I would like to point out you are practicing double standards. 

NPC rage alert.

 

Youre saying that some self selecting groups self select, which is totally different from a public forum censoring people???

 

Also, Japanese is not a race... its a nationality. And hate to break it to you, Japanese sushi chefs in the West are extremely rare.

 

 

[wasab]

8 minutes ago, Amazonsucks said:

NPC rage alert.

 

Youre saying that some self selecting groups self select, which is totally different from a public forum censoring people???

 

Also, Japanese is not a race... its a nationality. And hate to break it to you, Japanese sushi chefs in the West are extremely rare.

 

 

japan is a nation-state aka a nation whose national consciousness and ethos are defined by an ethnic people and for an ethnic people, and this case, the ethnicity is Japanese. it is an ethnicity as much as it is a nationality. To say it is simply a nationality is akin to simply water the definition of a "Chinese" person down to anyone with Chinese citizenship. Japan exists because Japanese exists. Not the other way around. 

[dalekphalm]

4 minutes ago, wasab said:

i like to point out many ballet theaters and cheerleading squads do not hire men and get away with it.

For the most part, you're highly incorrect. Men so rarely apply to either of these, that in most schools and teams, they are highly sought after. In fact, in some cases, their standard of entry is lower than that of a female, because they're in such short supply.

4 minutes ago, wasab said:

I like to point out women are exempted from the draft in nearly all armed forces

That's true, but a lot of countries don't have a draft, and it's been like 50 years since the last US draft. Point being, 50 years ago, women did have less rights in the armed forces, and that's changed significantly since then, even if there's still some barriers.

4 minutes ago, wasab said:

I like to point out that race is a basis for job competency if like say i find Japanese chefs to fit the theme of Asian restaurants better or an african american is better fitted to act as an aifrcan zulu warrior in films.

There's a difference between portraying an ethnically specific character, and hiring someone who is an expert in a particular culture's food.

 

In Canada, at least, if a restaurant hired an actual Japanese-ethnic person as their sushi chef, and passed up a better qualified white applicant - that 2nd person was discriminated against, and that is illegal.

4 minutes ago, wasab said:

I would like to point out you are practicing double standards. 

I don't think so. In fact, I haven't even stated an opinion about this, but rather have just pointed out corrections to some of your misunderstandings.

 

If you want to point out double standards, or hold people to pointing out discrimination where it exists, or whatever it is that you're trying to argue for - cool. But use facts that actually help your case.

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, wasab said:

communism is not a form of government so what you said is invalid.

False. Communism is the socio-economic system of government that consists of a totalitarian government owning means of production and equalizing the distribution of wealth (making everyone under said system extremely poor).

 

7 minutes ago, wasab said:

It is a socio-economic philosophy and should be treated as such.

No, it's not.

 

Capitalism is the only one of the big three socio-economic philosophies not directly tied to a form of government.

 

Communism is as I said prior.

Socialism is a democratic (mob rule) system that owns the means of production but doesn't uniformly equalize the distribution of wealth.

Capitalism is, simply put, having the means of production owned, in part or in whole, by private individuals and wealth is distributed on work done.

 

And of those systems, Communism and Socialism both are socio-economic systems revolving around government enforced theft, ignores the very nature of humanity (making it corruptible and doomed to absolute failure absolutely), and is driven purely by the greed of the inadequate.

[wasab]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

False. Communism is the socio-economic system of government that consists of a totalitarian government owning means of production and equalizing the distribution of wealth (making everyone under said system extremely poor).

 

No, it's not.

 

Capitalism is the only one of the big three socio-economic philosophies not directly tied to a form of government.

 

Communism is as I said prior.

Socialism is a democratic (mob rule) system that owns the means of production but doesn't uniformly equalize the distribution of wealth.

Capitalism is, simply put, having the means of production owned, in part or in whole, by private individuals and wealth is distributed on work done.

 

And of those systems, Communism and Socialism both are socio-economic systems revolving around government enforced theft, ignores the very nature of humanity (making it corruptible and doomed to absolute failure absolutely), and is driven purely by the greed of the inadequate.

communism has no government. socialism has a government. you can call a government socialist but there is no such thing as communist government. the two is simply oxymoron in their spiritual definition. 

[Amazonsucks]

1 minute ago, wasab said:

japan is a nation-state aka a nation whose national consciousness and ethos are defined by an ethnic people and for an ethnic people, and this case, the ethnicity is Japanese. it is an ethnicity as much as it is a nationality. To say it is simply a nationality is to simply water the definition of a "Chinese" person down to anyone with Chinese citizenship. Japan exists because Japanese exists. Not the other way around. 

So what youre NPC speech bubble says is that, in fact, Japanese is not a race. Despite the fact that you were trying to conflate online censorship with it somehow being RACIST for sushi chefs to be from the country that invented sushi?

 

Even though its in no way prohibited for a person of any race to become a sushi chef, and despite the fact that most sushi chefs in the west are in no way Japanese, and are often actually of Korean descent...

 

Japanese and Chinese people(among the many other peoples from Asia) are Asians, right?

[Drak3]

Just now, wasab said:

communism has no government.

Again, false.

 

Just now, wasab said:

there is no such thing as communist government.

Yes, there is. A communist government is totalitarian. A one party system. 

 

What you're describing is Marxism. Which is also a system of theft

[wasab]

23 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

For the most part, you're highly incorrect. Men so rarely apply to either of these, that in most schools and teams, they are highly sought after. In fact, in some cases, their standard of entry is lower than that of a female, because they're in such short supply.

 

yeah, just like men are highly sought after to be a ballet dancer. haha. It is as much a fact as it is common sense that men are less likely to be hired in these professions. 

 

23 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

 

That's true, but a lot of countries don't have a draft, and it's been like 50 years since the last US draft. Point being, 50 years ago, women did have less rights in the armed forces, and that's changed significantly since then, even if there's still some barriers.

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I am not talking about that. I am talking about how come we see women being exempted from compulsory armed services to be perfectly accpetable yet refusing wedding cakes to gay couple isnt on the grounds of gender/sexual orientation?

 

 

23 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

 

There's a difference between portraying an ethnically specific character, and hiring someone who is an expert in a particular culture's food.

 

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That my friend is a double standard. We really ought to sue Hollywood for whitewashing. Why arent ethnic actors pick for many ethnic roles? outrageous. 

Edited October 15, 2018 by wasab
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[wasab]

12 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Again, false.

 

Yes, there is. A communist government is totalitarian. A one party system. 

 

What you're describing is Marxism. Which is also a system of theft

Marx defined communism as one without government. You cant argue against the original author who coined the definition and idea. The definition is ideologically copyrighted. If you want a new phrase to describe communism with a government, go invent your own -ism. You dont have the liberty to redefined and reinvent someone's ideas and then disingenuously call them the same thing. 

 

Edited October 15, 2018 by wasab
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[Drak3]

4 minutes ago, wasab said:

You cant argue against the original author who coined the definition and idea.

Yes, you can. Marx's original definition was impossible, and language evolves overtime.

 

Communism now, and has for decades, been explicitly a totalitarian single party system of an extreme Socialistic ideology. Thank the shitholes that are/were the USSR and China.