Possible bottleneck?

[FredricoSWE]

I have a Predator Helios 300 with:

i7-8750H 2,20Ghz (4,10Ghz boost)

GTX 1060 6GB 

 

No matter what game i play the gpu won't be utilized to 100%. Is my cpu bottlenecking my system or is something wrong? My gpu hits voltege limit and power limit in most games, is that the problem?

For example, it is estimated that i get 110+fps in battlefiled 1 but i only get 70fps. And in overwatch i am constantly hitting voltege limit and power limit.

 

[Jurrunio]

5 minutes ago, FredricoSWE said:

My gpu hits voltege limit and power limit in most games, is that the problem?

no, these limits limit your frequency, not core usage

 

5 minutes ago, FredricoSWE said:

No matter what game i play the gpu won't be utilized to 100%

Try 1080p ultra settings in the most GPU demanding game. If the core usage do get to 95%+, then you are being bottlenecked by the CPU (maybe overheating causing thermal throttling?). Otherwise, you've got other problems.

[supremedutchgamer]

13 minutes ago, FredricoSWE said:

I have a Predator Helios 300 with:

i7-8750H 2,20Ghz (4,10Ghz boost)

GTX 1060 6GB 

 

No matter what game i play the gpu won't be utilized to 100%. Is my cpu bottlenecking my system or is something wrong? My gpu hits voltege limit and power limit in most games, is that the problem?

For example, it is estimated that i get 110+fps in battlefiled 1 but i only get 70fps. And in overwatch i am constantly hitting voltege limit and power limit.

 

install msi afterburner if you havent already, set up monitoring to monitor your CPU and GPU usage, load up a game. see if the CPU sits at 100% while the GPU sits at 50%, then your GPU is being bottlenecked. OR you have vsync on/your framerate capped.

[FredricoSWE]

6 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

no, these limits limit your frequency, not core usage

 

Try 1080p ultra settings in the most GPU demanding game. If the core usage do get to 95%+, then you are being bottlenecked by the CPU (maybe overheating causing thermal throttling?). Otherwise, you've got other problems.

In battlefild 1 i get around 80fps on low and 70fps on ultra. I don't care about the visuals that much, i just want high framerate. What do i need to do to get that?

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, FredricoSWE said:

In battlefild 1 i get around 80fps on low and 70fps on ultra. I don't care about the visuals that much, i just want high framerate. What do i need to do to get that?

that small fps difference in a game is demanding is clearly a CPU bottleneck. Use Hwinfo's sensor-only mode to check the CPU temps first.

[FredricoSWE]

4 minutes ago, supremedutchgamer said:

install msi afterburner if you havent already, set up monitoring to monitor your CPU and GPU usage, load up a game. see if the CPU sits at 100% while the GPU sits at 50%, then your GPU is being bottlenecked. OR you have vsync on/your framerate capped.

I am using msi afterburner, my cpu usage is at 50% on low and 60% on ultra. But i don't think battlefiled uses 6 cores, so it's a bit misleading i think.

[supremedutchgamer]

5 minutes ago, FredricoSWE said:

I am using msi afterburner, my cpu usage is at 50% on low and 60% on ultra. But i don't think battlefiled uses 6 cores, so it's a bit misleading i think.

you can view each individual core in MSI afterburner.

[FredricoSWE]

4 minutes ago, supremedutchgamer said:

you can view each individual core in MSI afterburner.

All cores are at 83 C, and the core clock is at 3.9 Ghz

[FredricoSWE]

13 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

that small fps difference in a game is demanding is clearly a CPU bottleneck. Use Hwinfo's sensor-only mode to check the CPU temps first.

How can a i7-8750H be a bottleneck, you can't get much better at fair price?

[supremedutchgamer]

6 minutes ago, FredricoSWE said:

All cores are at 83 C, and the core clock is at 3.9 Ghz

core usage... not core temp.

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, FredricoSWE said:

How can a i7-8750H be a bottleneck, you can't get much better at fair price?

thermal throttling can slow the 8750H down. A lot if the laptop's cooling sucks.

 

83C max temp after some games in low settings?

[FredricoSWE]

3 minutes ago, supremedutchgamer said:

core usage... not core temp.

 

[supremedutchgamer]

3 minutes ago, FredricoSWE said:

 

that does not look like a bottleneck tbh.

[FredricoSWE]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

thermal throttling can slow the 8750H down. A lot if the laptop's cooling sucks.

 

83C max temp after some games in low settings?

Yes, but it gets to that temp on ultra as well.

[FredricoSWE]

1 minute ago, supremedutchgamer said:

that does not look like a bottleneck tbh.

I don't think it is, i think the problem is voltege limit or power limit, but i don't really know what it means.

[Jurrunio]

4 minutes ago, FredricoSWE said:

Yes, but it gets to that temp on ultra as well.

that's very high CPU usage (they dont all pin to 90%+ because of bad hyperthreading support). Try clear some of the background tasks since an 8750H at 3.9GHz in games shouldnt be suffering from that..

[FredricoSWE]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

that's very high CPU usage (they dont all pin to 90%+ because of bad hyperthreading support). Try clear some of the background tasks since an 8750H at 3.9GHz in games shouldnt be suffering from that..

The only things that i have open except the game is a chrome window and msi afterburner.

[FredricoSWE]

13 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

that's very high CPU usage (they dont all pin to 90%+ because of bad hyperthreading support). Try clear some of the background tasks since an 8750H at 3.9GHz in games shouldnt be suffering from that..

this is what i get when i play on low

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, FredricoSWE said:

this is what i get when i play on low

Yup, CPU bottleneck. The clock speed is high so I dont think it's throttling, should be background processes.

[FredricoSWE]

19 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Yup, CPU bottleneck. The clock speed is high so I dont think it's throttling, should be background processes.

What can i do, i have uninstalled all acer programs now but no improvment? You have a similar laptop, how is yours performing?

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, FredricoSWE said:

What can i do, i have uninstalled all acer programs now but no improvment? You have a similar laptop, how is yours performing?

it could be other apps, say discord.

 

I dont play BF1 or Overwatch

[FredricoSWE]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

it could be other apps, say discord.

 

I dont play BF1 or Overwatch

 

51 minutes ago, supremedutchgamer said:

that does not look like a bottleneck tbh.

Thanks for the help, i'm going to reinstall windows and se if that helps

[genexis_x]

6 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

thermal throttling can slow the 8750H down. A lot if the laptop's cooling sucks

It's the CPU's fault actually. Intel has made those inefficient chips

7 hours ago, FredricoSWE said:

My gpu hits voltege limit and power limit in most games, is that the problem?

Undervolt GPU using voltage frequency curve

 

And try clean Windows install (not reset)

[Jurrunio]

15 minutes ago, GeneXiS_X said:

It's the CPU's fault actually. Intel has made those inefficient chips

not like laptop designers' get a choice either. There's no Ryzen 6 core available in mobile flavour.

[genexis_x]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

not like laptop designers' get a choice either. There's no Ryzen 6 core available in mobile flavour.

The efficiency of AMD CPUs is just not there. Same goes to Intel, but this is due to no architecture improvement.

 

BTW, how's your laptop going?