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LTT Official Folding Month 2018!!!

I figured I would take advantage of the fact this post hasn't been locked yet to spread the word about this years folding month.

 

Folding month 2019!!

See the thread for detail and don't forget to spread the word!!!

 

 

@leadeater you can now lock this one.

 

-Thanks

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Just now, seoz said:

That's still quite a long while for me, I keep getting the long WUs nowadays that take 4-5 hours and dish out 50-60K points in the end... Pretty insignificant compared to the top 100 that are above me by a long shot.

PLANT THY ROCCAT/ARTCTIC FLAG, STAND YER GROUND LASS, AND SHOW EM TH' FIGHTIN SPIRIT OF THE SCOTTS!

 


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5 hours ago, Ben Quigley said:

Cant wait for tomorrow (27th) As I can confirm... this was not the idea I had.... 

 

How did it go again.....

 

Oh yeah.

 

*jaws music* duh-nuh......... duh-nuh......

If this wasn’t for a good cause, I would hate you rn ? buying a GPU for 3 days of folding 


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The Experiment --- CPU: i5-3570K @ 4.0 GHz || MoBo: Asus P8Z77-V LK || RAM: 16GB Corsair 1600 4x4 || Cooler: CM Hyper 212 Evo || GPUs: Asus GTX 750 Ti, MSI GTX 1080 Ti Gaming X || PSU: Corsair TX750M Gold || Case: Thermaltake Core G21 TG || SSD: 840 Pro 128GB || HDD: Seagate Barracuda 2TB || Total invested: $360 USD (excluding 1080 Ti)

 

R.I.P. Asus X99-A motherboard, April 2016 - October 2018, may you rest in peace. 5820K, if I ever buy you a new board, it'll be a good one.

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1 minute ago, Cereal5 said:

If this wasn’t for a good cause, I would hate you rn ? buying a GPU for 3 days of folding 

Who said anything about A GPU? 


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Just now, Gorgon said:

Did you find a mining rig in a skip? ?

Well..... Not quite.... You'll see...


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I give up


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Audio --- Headphones: Massdrop x Sennheiser HD 6XX || Amp: Schiit Audio Magni 3 || DAC: Schiit Audio Modi 3 || Mic: Blue Yeti

 

My Truck --- 1998.5 24v Cummins || ECSB || 47RE, Goerend triple disk TC & shift kit || 4" Turbo Back, 22" KMC XD Bombs, Airdog II-4G Lift Pump

My Car --- 2006 Mustang GT || 5-speed || BBK LTs, O/R X, MBRP Cat-back || BBK Lowering Springs, LCAs || 2007 GT500 wheels w/ 245s/285s

 

The Experiment --- CPU: i5-3570K @ 4.0 GHz || MoBo: Asus P8Z77-V LK || RAM: 16GB Corsair 1600 4x4 || Cooler: CM Hyper 212 Evo || GPUs: Asus GTX 750 Ti, MSI GTX 1080 Ti Gaming X || PSU: Corsair TX750M Gold || Case: Thermaltake Core G21 TG || SSD: 840 Pro 128GB || HDD: Seagate Barracuda 2TB || Total invested: $360 USD (excluding 1080 Ti)

 

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1 minute ago, Cereal5 said:

I give up

Whyy? Don't give up

 

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Figured since we are in the last week of folding here I would post up the pics of my rigs running.

 

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This one is the "reliable (tm)" setup I have in the office. (the system on the right is currently running my other 970 G1 gaming instead of the 670 in the pic) note how the system on the right has its own power supply and then the GPU power is coming from the PSU for the other system mind you this means a reboot of either system will inevitably crash both.

 

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This one is much less jerryrigged since it is my gaming tower (note how the 670 is magically in both pics. Shhhh....) its sitting in a define s and to improved airflow and temps the front panel is taken off as well as the side panel (gave me a 3c drop on the 1080ti). I also get crap from my roommates all the time for having my monitors setup like this but I like it.

 

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Last we have my AW13 R3. This is definitely the nicest looking of the group. but this is my DD for work, fun, basically everything I do that isn't gaming is done on this so it doesn't quite fold full time due to travel from a to b and such and also runs the gpu straight up to 90c when folding so after the month is over this will not be folding anymore. But it runs a 1060 for anyone wondering.

 

P.S. should we have a vote for who has the sketchiest folding system? for who has the best? let me know.


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22 hours ago, Gorgon said:

Still a vicious battle for 5th place in terms of Daily Points Production

I'm out of that part... AMD cards off since weekend.

 

What I'm unsure about is what do I do after the month is over? I'll probably continue, at a lower level but this is undecided.


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19 hours ago, blackmage1134 said:

we could even take in the top 10 but we would have to keep this level of folding till end of the year. 

 

18 hours ago, justpoet said:

Well, if somebody wants to donate a 1070 or better to my future gaming cause…I'll keep it 100% folding through the end of the year to help that top 10 happen, being a team player and all. ;)  O:-) 

I'm placing an order on a Sapphire RX 590 right now... or two... ? All because off this event that had me return to folding, besides Boinc, and the thrill off the finish sauna ? ? that shall help my trusty dual Xeon 2670 with its 1060 and my old Core2Quad 9550 with its 750 Ti to heat my house, or shall I say, the thrill off the LTT "ITNOS" Power ?  ?

 

EDIT: Just one for the time being, don't think my two daughters will appreciate that their christmas presents is one of two new graphics cards in my workstation ?

 

EDIT 2: The 1070 (or both ?) is naturally mine. I'm preparing my speech right now, you know, "if" i win ?

 

Or else....

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Ph3ar the badger....

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EDIT 3: Badger tax

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Today's Folding Month Competition Points:

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Rank    Day_Pts    Name
1    13,146,077    jakkuh_t
2    10,967,708    King Poet
3    8,464,773    _Rlocke
4    8,025,983    Tomerrs
5    4,112,619    Ben Quigley
6    4,019,745    Yabdat
7    3,758,671    Cereal5
8    3,396,074    Gorgon
9    3,098,488    porina
10    2,929,456    Dissitesuxba11s
11    2,137,424    DUW1G1T
12    2,089,968    Palespartan
13    1,340,447    TVwazhere
14    1,259,657    sazrocks
15    1,205,815    RollinLower
16    1,194,797    D_Newb
17    1,182,327    Invaderzim117
18    1,129,899    Spotty
19    1,100,616    shp
20    1,036,543    cheees
21    1,014,732    Kiouri
22    1,013,513    Zoravar
23    1,011,693    Stijnman
24    962,665    CagedAnimalz
25    910,581    DildorTheDecent
26    898,986    Khale
27    869,599    RAS_3885
28    833,697    skunkmunkey
29    819,717    CPBuchholz
30    766,836    wONKEyeYEs
31    754,674    sidas
32    741,857    chssmstr23
33    736,153    Cyberspirit
34    729,442    Metallus97
35    708,923    Wyrd
36    706,485    leadeater
37    706,279    Daber97
38    671,604    SansVarnic
39    663,512    TimeTheCat
40    660,055    Faster_Speeding
41    654,164    imreloadin
42    606,205    Powelljl
43    606,130    SubbyDew
44    578,390    OJTheAviator
45    573,530    Elessog
46    562,503    Garfieldyoulazycat
47    558,047    ObscureMammal
48    545,333    Blond
49    528,528    Razor1320
50    476,407    James
51    474,600    Egg-Roll
52    471,930    BromTeque
53    468,566    NMF666
54    466,951    JoelSalomonsson
55    462,981    MiggidyMike
56    451,066    mark814
57    449,048    Mattias Edeslatt
58    442,073    LegendEffects
59    428,753    Continues
60    420,396    Ishimuro
61    410,792    dmynerd78
62    400,543    Kevi
63    380,321    staffy
64    356,475    gonj
65    351,086    Rusted
66    347,819    Imbellis
67    347,236    blackmage1134
68    339,866    Kiyometa
69    322,732    TheRedFox
70    321,531    Opencircuit74
71    320,582    Para Bellum
72    299,031    Ziffer777
73    281,589    cTurtle98
74    279,187    suchamoneypit
75    272,522    Givingtnt
76    244,407    Gargone77
77    230,839    urielrocks5676
78    225,095    seoz
79    220,371    Mihle
80    197,218    Samnut64
81    195,044    Mattyb08
82    183,039    Wiggitywack
83    180,844    speed_qweef
84    180,728    oskarha
85    179,320    FieldGenEJ
86    172,811    Shusky
87    172,226    Puntertje
88    168,719    Lemtea
89    148,303    JessAveryJA
90    146,029    BJOHEI
91    142,296    Krosis
92    141,678    gabrielquek92
93    135,940    TristonTwenty7
94    135,017    chupacabra
95    103,579    Zurkrem
96    102,016    PandamanNG
97    92,443    ethawesomee
98    90,087    L0K1
99    82,894    MaxTheDog73
100    78,816    vexeran
101    76,082    OrangutanG
102    73,234    Esemes16
103    72,314    Technomancer__
104    70,921    MillerPanda
105    69,201    Reecedjc
106    59,332    themctipers
107    56,624    Java
108    54,607    Jake the Fake Jake
109    47,624    BlueCrazii
110    47,260    2poreAIR
111    37,568    Sparkznz
112    37,421    talex95
113    33,589    WhisperingKnickers
114    33,443    sejbas
115    31,990    LiquidMotionz
116    31,588    Fortekko
117    30,011    kting15
118    28,706    That_Dutch_Guy
119    24,955    kelvinhall05
120    24,827    Scorpion9827
121    24,443    Diatorker
122    18,790    justinquedible
123    17,007    XikoCat
124    15,762    BananaInSandals
125    14,708    k-lub
126    13,500    bugboy94
127    12,362    Tsunoda Acreo
128    10,750    FloopeyFlap
129    9,417    alex73630
130    6,856    zac1atak1
131    4,286    Konrad_K
132    2,614    James76931
133    991    Redzuzu
134    891    Help Scientists Cure Cancer with your PC! - Folding @ Home
135    639    Kazzed
136    457    drthunderball
137    389    DeMichel93
138    363    Joeysa
139    313    Kong7014
140    125    L33Tech
141    124    Klasher1000

@Ben Quigley, @Yabdat and @Cereal5 are now officially Kicking my A** but can they produce more points than me - that is the metric we are ranked on!

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Today's Folding Month Competition Points:

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Rank    Day_Pts    Name
1    13,146,077    jakkuh_t
2    10,967,708    King Poet
3    8,464,773    _Rlocke
4    8,025,983    Tomerrs
5    4,112,619    Ben Quigley
6    4,019,745    Yabdat
7    3,758,671    Cereal5
8    3,396,074    Gorgon
9    3,098,488    porina
10    2,929,456    Dissitesuxba11s
11    2,137,424    DUW1G1T
12    2,089,968    Palespartan
13    1,340,447    TVwazhere
14    1,259,657    sazrocks
15    1,205,815    RollinLower
16    1,194,797    D_Newb
17    1,182,327    Invaderzim117
18    1,129,899    Spotty
19    1,100,616    shp
20    1,036,543    cheees
21    1,014,732    Kiouri
22    1,013,513    Zoravar
23    1,011,693    Stijnman
24    962,665    CagedAnimalz
25    910,581    DildorTheDecent
26    898,986    Khale
27    869,599    RAS_3885
28    833,697    skunkmunkey
29    819,717    CPBuchholz
30    766,836    wONKEyeYEs
31    754,674    sidas
32    741,857    chssmstr23
33    736,153    Cyberspirit
34    729,442    Metallus97
35    708,923    Wyrd
36    706,485    leadeater
37    706,279    Daber97
38    671,604    SansVarnic
39    663,512    TimeTheCat
40    660,055    Faster_Speeding
41    654,164    imreloadin
42    606,205    Powelljl
43    606,130    SubbyDew
44    578,390    OJTheAviator
45    573,530    Elessog
46    562,503    Garfieldyoulazycat
47    558,047    ObscureMammal
48    545,333    Blond
49    528,528    Razor1320
50    476,407    James
51    474,600    Egg-Roll
52    471,930    BromTeque
53    468,566    NMF666
54    466,951    JoelSalomonsson
55    462,981    MiggidyMike
56    451,066    mark814
57    449,048    Mattias Edeslatt
58    442,073    LegendEffects
59    428,753    Continues
60    420,396    Ishimuro
61    410,792    dmynerd78
62    400,543    Kevi
63    380,321    staffy
64    356,475    gonj
65    351,086    Rusted
66    347,819    Imbellis
67    347,236    blackmage1134
68    339,866    Kiyometa
69    322,732    TheRedFox
70    321,531    Opencircuit74
71    320,582    Para Bellum
72    299,031    Ziffer777
73    281,589    cTurtle98
74    279,187    suchamoneypit
75    272,522    Givingtnt
76    244,407    Gargone77
77    230,839    urielrocks5676
78    225,095    seoz
79    220,371    Mihle
80    197,218    Samnut64
81    195,044    Mattyb08
82    183,039    Wiggitywack
83    180,844    speed_qweef
84    180,728    oskarha
85    179,320    FieldGenEJ
86    172,811    Shusky
87    172,226    Puntertje
88    168,719    Lemtea
89    148,303    JessAveryJA
90    146,029    BJOHEI
91    142,296    Krosis
92    141,678    gabrielquek92
93    135,940    TristonTwenty7
94    135,017    chupacabra
95    103,579    Zurkrem
96    102,016    PandamanNG
97    92,443    ethawesomee
98    90,087    L0K1
99    82,894    MaxTheDog73
100    78,816    vexeran
101    76,082    OrangutanG
102    73,234    Esemes16
103    72,314    Technomancer__
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Yabdat and Ceral5 are now officially Kinking my A** but can they produce more points than me - that is the metric we are ranked on!

That Ben Quigley Guy seems to be doing well... ?


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3 minutes ago, Gorgon said:

 

 

We've lost about 250 active users over the last 8 days.

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My guess would be people who found out you didn't need to do folding month to win the GPU. Or people who finished the badge requirements.

Happens with stuff like this, but the overall enormous turnout cannot be undermined. This event blew the doors off of expectations!

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Stop trolling and get that update out ?

What could he be folding on???


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Just now, King Poet said:

My guess would be people who found out you didn't need to do folding month to win the GPU. Or people who finished the badge requirement.

Happens with stuff like this, but the overall enormous turnout cannot be undermined. This event blew the doors off of expectations!

YEP!

 

I was just hoping to break 1,000,000,000 in a month again, and look at it! 


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Just now, King Poet said:

We broke that goal warming up for folding month lol.

IKR, I was expecting like 15-20 people. maybe 30....

 

Not all of this. Tbh that was what caused so many issues in the first week. We had to keep expanding the datasheet. Eventually I just made it 500 long and was like, if we go over this, I QUIT. 


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1 minute ago, King Poet said:

My guess would be people who found out you didn't need to do folding month to win the GPU. Or people who finished the badge requirements.

Happens with stuff like this, but the overall enormous turnout cannot be undermined. This event blew the doors off of expectations!

We definitely do appreciate all the help from everyone irrespective of the hardware they are able to bring to the fold. EVERY single bit has helped make this an outstanding month for the LTT Folding Team.

 

My wife though is starting to wonder where the power brick for her chromebook has gone ...

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2 minutes ago, Gorgon said:

My wife though is starting to wonder where the power brick for her chromebook has gone ...

Just deny all knowledge 


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2 minutes ago, Ben Quigley said:

IKR, I was expecting like 15-20 people. maybe 30....

 

Not all of this. Tbh that was what caused so many issues in the first week. We had to keep expanding the datasheet. Eventually I just made it 500 long and was like, if we go over this, I QUIT. 

I'm going to aim for 1,000,000,000 by myself next year.

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I'm going to aim for 1,000,000,000 by myself next year.

Woah..... I need to find more folding rigs in dumpsters then ;) 


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TBH, I really want to have a new 24/7 card....  Atm... These maxwell cards are starting to show their age in heat output... 


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