What's the Deal with the Anti-MSI Circlejerk?

[seon123]

5 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

really? the 780Ti i have is a directCU II card, and in Overwatch that thing sits around the 60 to 70 degrees. that 290X in Overwatch sits in the 80-85 degree range. and the 780Ti has almost the same TDP, and the 780Ti that i have has 2 8-pin power plugs, whereas the 290x has 8pin and 6 pin...

That's what I remember it as. Think it was back in 2014, so might remember it wrong. HWCanucks has a video on the card, can check that later. 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

2 hours ago, OrbitalBuzzsaw said:

Yeah, still you bought it when Windows laptops with better specs were probably available for similar price

Windows laptops were the reason to get a MacBook in the first place. simply put i don't like Windows on laptops at all.

 

and yes i could have gotten better specs for my money. but i don't really care about specs that much. if i need to do anything serious i use my desktop. for 99% of my laptop needs in terms of specs all i really need is a 2nd gen dual-core i5.

 

i care much more about the design of my laptop, and the trackpad and keyboard.

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

2 hours ago, seon123 said:

That's what I remember it as. Think it was back in 2014, so might remember it wrong. HWCanucks has a video on the card, can check that later. 

you could be right. i've never used the DirectCUII 290X. if it does the same thing as my MSI card i'd complain about it too if i owned it.

[minibois]

12 minutes ago, OrbitalBuzzsaw said:

> mad at thermal throttling

> has a macbook

> hmmmm.jpg

 

Yeah, it was, what, a $170 board and it got beat by a $110 budget board?

I luckily got it for less than that, but the basic idea was that a high end B350 Baird was right around as good as this board. Which a high end B350 board is still not bad, but you don't want to see that in still a moderately price X370 board!

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

Just now, Minibois said:

I luckily got it for less than that, but the basic idea was that a high end B350 Baird was right around as good as this board. Which a high end B350 board is still not bad, but you don't want to see that in still a moderately price X370 board!

I got mine for $75

[seon123]

1 minute ago, firelighter487 said:

you could be right. i've never used the DirectCUII 290X. if it does the same thing as my MSI card i'd complain about it too if i owned it.

Considering the price, I don't think there's too much to complain about. At the time, the GTX 970 cost 3500kr (think $350), and the DCUII 290X dropped the price to 2500kr (think $250) out of nowhere. If it had cost the same as the 970, sure, but it was a relative bargain. 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

Just now, seon123 said:

Considering the price, I don't think there's too much to complain about. At the time, the GTX 970 cost 3500kr (think $350), and the DCUII 290X dropped the price to 2500kr (think $250) out of nowhere. If it had cost the same as the 970, sure, but it was a relative bargain. 

sure, but designing products to thermal throttle is bad and company's should be called out for it.

[EPENEX]

I like the look of their designs. The red and black really speaks to me.

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

Just now, EPENEX said:

I like the look of their designs. The red and black really speaks to me.

But what if you don't want your video card, motherboard, etc. covered in gaudy red plastic and LEDs?

[EPENEX]

Just now, OrbitalBuzzsaw said:

But what if you don't want your video card, motherboard, etc. covered in gaudy red plastic and LEDs?

Then buy Asus or EVGA, MSI is for people like me.

[porina]

I had a poor experience with two samples of one of their Z170 mobos. Basically their bios support and update frequency was rubbish. The two identical model boards, with same firmware, would behave differently while overclocking. They still randomly don't boot up 1st time even running stock. Think it is related to the ram but I've tried different sets, and nothing else I have is that fussy.

 

OTOH I have H81 chipset mobos from them too, and they were fine. Guess they were simple enough that there wasn't anything to go wrong. I have a Vega FE from MSI too, but as a reference design I'm not sure there is anything to go wrong there either.

 

Overall, it depends on the product, but based on my past experience I wouldn't get another OC mobo from them.

[homeap5]

It all depends on user I think.

 

For example - I have Armor and I can agree that stock settings are crap. Even 48 degree on idle and temperatures rise. Unless you disable that passive mode using MSI Afterburner and set 25% fan speed under 45 degree. Now my card has 34 degree on idle and always stays below 70 in stress.

 

The same about motherboards. I bought Z370 PC PRO because basically I have no alternative - only cheapest Asrock and one Gigabyte crappy card has PCI port what I need. And sure - default BIOS config is terrible if we're talking about voltages etc. But everything is easy to set, so if someone wants to made computer and knows how to configure it proper, can made everything works without problem. My I7 8700K OC at 4800 using only 1.2V. I set it to 1.25 just as "insurance policy". With few other settings it stays stable as rock around 70 degree in stress. I undersand that some motherboards or GPUs are better "out of the box", but is this really that big problem to configure everything before use?

 

Asus - two GPU with broken fans after 6 months (one mine and one my friend). MSI? Old Gaming 660 I've put in second computer after upgrade my own, works fine by years. And fans was really not good treated - I had a kitchen renovation and dust was all around my flat. After that fans works only under 88% (over that I hear not so pleasant sound) but still works! Temperatures always below 70 degree. Another Asus product - motherboard my friend bought. I must replace battery after week! Don't know why - do they put old batteries in their motherboard or what? And after few weeks something happens and whole motherboard must have been replaced. ASUS router I return to shop after 3 days - piece of crap, nothing more, slow GUI and lot of not working features.

 

MSI - old motherboard that was used by years, total cheap product with AGR port (if anyone remember that MSI stupid idea) and Pentium 4 support. After maaany years still works in some crappy computer used only for simple tasks, but works anyway. Unlike many old Gigabyte crappy motherboards that always has some problems with compatibility or not working at all.

 

So, is MSI really that bad? As I said - this is personal experience more than real problems. Someone likes their products, someone don't.

[Guest]

My R9 390 is still perfectly fine. I don’t get it either. 

 

“The color red sucks!”

Um... okay? 

[Phentos]

I used to build PCs for people in college for some extra cash on top of financial aid. MSI motherboards have generated the most complaints and RMAs by far compared to other brands. Of course I don't process the RMAs, that was on the clients. The clients paid for the parts and brought them to me, and I built the machines.

 

In my first rig I had an MSI budget board and that thing was an absolute nightmare. Next rig I went ASUS and never looked back.

 

I will never use any MSI product in any of my PCs, that's for sure. Edit: Except maybe a Lightning GPU.

[Radxr3]

IMO, MSI makes an alright product, but their customer service is horrible, their rebates take forever to come in the mail and the warranty included with products is garbage

[dfsdfgfkjsefoiqzemnd]

I had a PC with an MSI motherboard completely overheat some years ago (mate's GF put a blanket over the running PC to protect it from dust while people were doing construction work in his appartment), to the point where the CPU retention bracket and several of the ferrite chokes turned blue and purple.

 

And just to counter those who claim that it patina-ed due to inferior materials, keep in mind that the retention bracket is a Lotes part, not an MSI one.  Also, in the pic below you can see that even the Cooler Master V8's fins were discolored.

 

That happened 3 years ago.  That motherboard is currently still in use almost 24/7, in fact we since upped the CPU's overclock.  We also replaced the CMOS battery, as that one turned out to be dead.

 

Never had any problems with my own rigs either.  My 7 year old MSI Z77 rig is still up and running, as is my MSI X99 rig.  My MSI GTX550Ti, 1070 and 1080Ti also haven't failed me yet.

The only issues I've had were dying fans on both my SLI-ed MSI GTX770s, but those were way out of warranty when that started to happen so I never RMA'ed them.  I'd strap some 92mm case fans to them, but then again why bother when all my rigs are running Pascal cards already? 

The few times I did mail MSI's support with technical questions I usually received the correct reply within the hour.

 

So yeah, I'm struggling to join the circlejerk.  Overall my experience with MSI's quality and support has been very positive.

[GDRRiley]

Like every company they are a mixed bag all tho recently they have been going down hill. 5-7 years ago they were pretty good, now I'd choose everyone else with the exception of biostar or ECS over it. 

[flibberdipper]

5 hours ago, OrbitalBuzzsaw said:

Wouldn't know, I almost never buy anything MSi and when I do I sell it pretty quick

I went through the pain of RMAing a refurb 960 4GB with fuckered VRAM and they sent the exact same card back.... 4 months later. Tried to get another card out of them and they'd only offer sending it back in and getting another 960 or a 2GB 1050.

 

Sadly I'm going to have to go with an MSI 1050Ti because its not ludicrously expensive like the Zotac model (at least as of now).

 

shoutout to LTT for not notifying me of a reply so I only noticed when I saw it pop up under General Discussion again and decided to click it

 

 

4 hours ago, aezakmi said:

that glossy cheap looking plastic on their graphics cards is just fucking horrible.

 

this was their last kinda decent design imo, after this it all went to hell

Let's also not forget that that era cooler on the 7950 was OP as fuck. Mine never EVER touched 70C, which was impressive considering I had to overvolt the pile of shit just to keep it stable at stock clocks.

[Darkman]

Here let me just direct you to my experience made in a reddit post... They did not want the second board so it sits in my closet taking up space, really should use it as a target at the shooting range sometime. ?

 

[Sakkura]

5 hours ago, seon123 said:

A friend of mine has the 290X DCUII (remember when DCUII was Asus' highest end cooler?), and that also does the same inside a Fractal R5 with 2 intake + 1 exhaust fans. 

That's an infamous card - Asus got lazy and reused the cooler from the GTX 780 on the R9 290 and 290X, despite the Hawaii GPU being significantly smaller than the GK110. That meant a couple heatpipes just weren't touching the GPU at all.

 

5 hours ago, firelighter487 said:

really? the 780Ti i have is a directCU II card, and in Overwatch that thing sits around the 60 to 70 degrees. that 290X in Overwatch sits in the 80-85 degree range. and the 780Ti has almost the same TDP, and the 780Ti that i have has 2 8-pin power plugs, whereas the 290x has 8pin and 6 pin...

See above. The cooler was fine on the GTX 780 (and later 780 Ti), but crap on the 290 and 290X.

[Crunchy Dragon]

5 hours ago, aezakmi said:

that glossy cheap looking plastic on their graphics cards is just fucking horrible.

 

this was their last kinda decent design imo, after this it all went to hell

980Ti Lightning was also a sexy card:

[Speed Weed]

ASUS now is no longer the ASUS I know in the past. ASUS quality has gone down the hill a lot. 

[purple_rider]

I have an MSI workstation board with the C236 chipset. For what I paid, it's solid feature-wise and isn't gaudy. Black pcb, one of the vrm heatsinks says "workstation" on it. I haven't had any problems in 2+ years with it.

[aezakmi]

4 minutes ago, DaPhuc said:

ASUS now is no longer the ASUS I know in the past. ASUS quality has gone down the hill a lot. 

but the.... LEDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MOBO HAS LEDS ON IT SO IT HAS TO BE BETTER!!!! /s

 

what manufacturer hasn't gone down the hills in the past 4 years...

[Speed Weed]

1 hour ago, aezakmi said:

but the.... LEDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MOBO HAS LEDS ON IT SO IT HAS TO BE BETTER!!!! /s

 

what manufacturer hasn't gone down the hills in the past 4 years...

Too much LEDS will give me cancer. It makes me think I am inside the skittles with all these rainbows flashing in front of me.  

 

what manufacturer hasn't gone down the hills in the past 4 years. Apple maybe? People are still buying Apple overprice phones.