Samsung Vs LG Monitors iPS, VA panels

[MarkEbaby]

please help

 

 

am looking for a monitor with good picture quality

 

but also good enough response time for gaming on console

 

i want a 24 inch monitor no bigger with a matt screen finish

 

LG and samsung interested me the most

 

i dont think i want TN panel because of its bad colors for movies

 

 

so do i get a LG IPS panel or Samsung VA panel

 

i see a samung following link

 

https://www.samsung.com/uk/monitors/curved-cf73/LC24FG73FQUXEN/

 

but am concerned about it being a VA panel as IPS have better response times?

 

 

or is this VA panel of this samsung better quailty than older VA panels so on a par now?

 

 

any suggestions IPS or VA for gaming?

 

which models be betetr between LG, samsung

 

 

£200 to £250 am looking at so some options be good

 

 

 

 

[SolarNova]

A fast VA over IPS , easy choice imo.

 

VA's have an overall better picture quality over IPS. Whilst IPS can be more accurate, they suffer from IPS glow and cant reach as good contrast ratio and black levels as VA.

 

VA on the other hand suffers from slow pixel response, which causes ghosting. Hence why you should aim for a 'fast' VA panel.

 

 

Next thing to get straight. Input lag Vs response time.

These 2 gets mixed up so often i really should create a copy and past paragraph on the subject on my desktop

 

Input lag is the delay between an input action and the it being displayed on screen. For a gamer this is the one every1 looks at. And it is frequently incorrectly called 'response time'.

 

Resposne time (or Pixel response) on the other hand is the time it takes a pixel to change from one color to another. A slow time causes ghosting (bluring) and a fast time results in a sharp crisp moving image.

 

Idealy you want both.

 

So yea, in my OPINION , VA is better than IPS, but I prioritise black levels and contrast over color professional accuracy. Though i'd most certainly make sure any VA monitor i woudl choose has been revied and had its Pixel response tested to ensure their is as small amoutn of ghosting as possible.

 

As for which model specificaly, i couldnt say. Your best bet is to find reviews that professionaly tests the monitors for things like 'actual input lag', and 'actual pixel response times', and not a site that just regurgitates the manufactuers specs.

[MarkEbaby]

i do also prioritise black levels

 

so i would prefer VA over IPS for this

 

as IPS glow would be a concern for me

 

but what worries me about VA is the slower input lag for gaming

 

 

 

and i read some stuff of people with a VA how on a VA panel the text not as sharp seems have more blur on text this correct?

 

 

i think this samsung has a fast VA panel if am correct but am still conerned about ghosting for gaming and the input lag

 

 

the site displaylag.com shows in screenshot the samsung C24FG70 has a input lag of 24ms

 

 

so it seems alot slower than an IPS for gaming the 24ms could be a problem

 

 

am not sure what montior model be best for me between LG and Samsung

 

 

 

[SolarNova]

In terms on "input lag" from what i have read you looking at about 4ms. Which is fine.

Pixel resposne however is a mixed bag, seems this particular model has a bit of a lottery involved, you run the risk of getting a unit that suffers from purple pixel syndrom, effectivly ghosting with a purple trail.

 

I have seen the 27" model reviews that indicate rather poor pixel resposne for dark pixel transitions, but good pixel response for most other color transitions. if the 24" is anything like it i would consider it an 'ok' VA panel, but not great.

 

if your like me and cant stand ghosting then i would not sugest going for this monitor from what i've read online.

 

*personaly i have a real hard time finding a LCD monitor that i can actualy say i recommend, as no matter what panel type is used, they all have somthing wrong with them that i cant stand, be it BLB, IPS glow, ghosting, crap viewing angles, uniformity issues ..etc. VA is the lesser of 3 evils imo, but its real hard to find one thats good in regards to pixel response . generaly speaking any gaming monitor will have good input lag, so dont worry about that.

Funnily enough i find searching for a VA TV for gaming easier, with the primary point of concern being input lag you can find plenty with <25ms which is fine. You can even find some VA TV's with pixel resposne much better than the C24FG70. The only downside is these TV's run at 60hz, as such they also dont have strobing backlight feature for reduced percieved motion blur, which imo would make them a REALLY good option, alas as is the case with LCD tech, your never goign to find a perfect one. Its why im holding on to my trusty Plasma for as long as possible untill OLED, Micro LED, or AM-QLED arrive to the monitor and/or small TV scene.

[MarkEbaby]

thanks for the reply nova

 

the samsung has a 24ms input lag as shown in that picture above

but your saying it has 4ms? let me know please

 

there 2 like same models of this samsung monitor 

 

the 1st link had problems with purple trail

 

1  https://www.samsung.com/uk/monitors/curved-cfg70fqu/LC27FG70FQUXEN/

 

were as this 2nd link think it more of an updated firmware i think so may be better for this but still issues with purple pixel i not sure

2. https://www.samsung.com/uk/monitors/curved-cf73/LC24FG73FQUXEN/

 

 

but i did read a comment about how someone moaned the response of this VA panel unless they were talking about the older firmware not sure

they wrote not great like it felt over 20ms

your saying it 4ms?

 

looks like nice monitor am just unsure of its gaming performance

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CONCLUSION: from my experience, Samsung qled win.

 

Color: Samsung win

Contrast: Samsung win

Viewing Angle: LG win

Response Time: Samsung win. "1ms mrpt" ad is somewhat true. when I set response time to "fastest mode" I feel like it's slightly smoother, and has less image ghosting effect.

 

[MarkEbaby]

am concerned the samsung 24 CFG70 input lag

 

24ms is to high i seen a forum suggest its actually 4ms but dont know for sure about its input lag to game with

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On 9/19/2018 at 3:10 PM, MarkEbaby said:

am concerned the samsung 24 CFG70 input lag

 

24ms is to high i seen a forum suggest its actually 4ms but dont know for sure about its input lag to game with

 

on Samsung gaming monitor. there's an option on OSD to reduce input lag, and it works. input lag is greatly reduced, as low as 3.88ms (according to pcmonitors.info) but might make the color become a bit worse. you also can set pixel response time to "fastest mode" (1ms). which is really faster, but this also affects the color production. (but still good tho)

 

What make this monitor not suitable for professional gaming are:

1. input lag and pixel response are still slightly worse than TN gaming monitor.

2. high contrast of QLED makes image become harder to see in the dark scene, compared to the washed-out color of TN.

if you're not a professional gamer, then forget about it.

 

I used to have CFG70, and never have problem with it. later I sold it and upgraded to CHG70 and I'm really happy with it.

CFG73 is pretty much the same as CFG70. but with software fixed. 

[SolarNova]

On 19/09/2018 at 9:10 AM, MarkEbaby said:

am concerned the samsung 24 CFG70 input lag

 

24ms is to high i seen a forum suggest its actually 4ms but dont know for sure about its input lag to game with

Ok so 24ms input latency isnt actually 'bad'. Its bad compared to other monitors yes, but a good TV has that kind of input lag and its fine to game on for non professionals.

 

That being said. i do beleve the 24ms input lag is the figure outside of 'Low input lag' mode ..effectivly there is a setting that reduces input lag by turning of certain processes. The Input lag figure in thise mode is around 4ms. Thats half a frame at 144hz/144fps. For reference 24ms at 60hz is 1.5 frames, and at 144 hz its about 3.5 frames.

 

Also note many people mix up response time and input lag. Read carfully to understand what they are talking about.

Slow response time causes ghosting/bluring

Slow input lag causes a delay between for example a mouse click and a gun shot on screen.

[MarkEbaby]

thanks SolarNova and Untilted for a reply

 

i would get the CFG73 over the CFG70 has it newer does have some software improvements i think

 

so if i put the samsung monitor in low input lag mode on console at 60hz the input lag will be around 4ms this correct?

when display lag measured at 24ms is this because they not have low input lag mode selected on or a different reason with how they measure input lag?

when set the picure mode to fastest mode it think it can cause over shooting? so not sure can use fastest mode?

 

main game am going to be playing is fifa a fast paced game i think is that were ghosting is like mosty to happen in a fast paced game?

 

 

by the way the samsung tv i use is in the link below

https://www.samsung.com/uk/support/model/LT24D390SW/XU/

 

i find the input lag so bad slow response to my controller, in samsung specs of my tv it has a 15ms response time in its specs although they not always tell the truth of there response times?

i dont know what its input lag is does anyone know?

i want a new monitor though for my computer and which can also do console thats why i want IPS or VA as TN has not so good colors

 

 

would this CFG73 have a much better input lag than my samsung tv?

 

 

 

 

 

[SolarNova]

OK a few thigns here to point out.

 

The monitor, yes it was likely being tested with "low input lag" mode off, thats why they got 24ms. Theres no reason for such a huge discrepency other than the mode it was in.

 

Now as for the TV you have.  Your mixing up response time and input lag.

The specs show response time, this is Pixel response. The transition from one color to another. generaly speaking ignore this. There is no standardised test for response time that all manufactuerers use, so one manufactuers test may be different from another, and it could also change over the years. Always check a review site, as a good review site will use a standardised test over multiple manufacturers products givign a fair representation. I wil lsay however that if even the manufacture admits to it being 15ms, you can be sure thats not good, your almost certainly going to have ghosting, however Fifa is not a particularly dark game, ghosting shows up the worst in dark scenes where a slightly lighter object (like a grey) is moving over an even darker background (darker grey) VA panel pixel resposne for lighter colros is always better and so ghosting is much less apprarent.

 

The slow response feel to your controller, thats input lag, and manufactuers pritty much never put this in their specs. So you have to check reviews.

 

As a general rule TV will always have a slower input lag than monitors, however so long as its 25ms or under, it should be fine for non professional gaming. For the most part, any TV that can achieve this will do it via a 'game mode'.

Most monitors, especialy those directed at gamers, will have a input lag figure of under 6ms. (Note i said input lag, not response time. I cannot stress enough how different those two thigns are)

[MarkEbaby]

SolaNova thanks again for the replys

 

i know response times different to input lag recently i just dont know the input lag of my PLS samsung tv T24D390 but being a tv it must be bad because i find it terrible in fifa to control my players

TN panels are best for gaming but i also use my computer so if i can get an IPS or VA panel with alot better response time than my 24 inch samsung tv would be really good

 

why displaylag test the samsung CFG70 montior without low input lag enabled i dont know if they did this, they may have measured the input lag a different way to pcmonitors.info input lag of 4ms maybe thats why result so different, it confuses me as i dont think all sites measure the same way

 

 

i been looking around and have come up with 3 monitors but dont know which one to go for

 

1.  Samsung CFG73 as newer version software over the CFG70

2   LG 24MP88HV

3.  Dell U2417H

 

displaylag.com they tested the LG 24MP88HV and got a input lag of 10ms

and 24 ms on the samsung CFG70 but did they have the low input lag enabled? if no had displaylag had it enabled would they have likely got 4ms like pcmonitors.info ?

which would have the better input lag between the Samsung CFG70 and LG24MP88HV ?

 

out of the 3 which would you think be best