Mac and IOS Programming in Linux

[soorma]

I cannot afford a macbook but I want to learn swift programming language. I have a 32bit Ubuntu Budgie Dell laptop. Is it possible to do swift programming there ? Or even on windows 10 ?

[bleedblue]

AFAIK Xcode only runs on mac.

[Radium_Angel]

8 minutes ago, soorma said:

I cannot afford a macbook but I want to learn swift programming language. I have a 32bit Ubuntu Budgie Dell laptop. Is it possible to do swift programming there ? Or even on windows 10 ?

Sure, run a VM of MacOS, program from there

[soorma]

That is a really great idea. I'll go with that option when everything else fails. 

[wasab]

Can't be done because apple hates you. 

 

[mathijs727]

Swift has officially support on Ubuntu for a couple of years now:

https://swift.org/download/

 

I've not used Swift so I'm not sure about the quality of the development environment on Ubuntu (but its probably better on macOS).

 

 

[Cvdasfg]

I've been an iOS Programmer for a couple years now. Swift is officially supported on Ubuntu, but you'll have a heck of a time getting it to actually work well. Depending on your use case this may be ok. I'd suggest either trying to find an older MacMini that would support it natively, or trying to build a hackintosh. Goodluck!

[soorma]

14 hours ago, Cvdasfg said:

I've been an iOS Programmer for a couple years now. Swift is officially supported on Ubuntu, but you'll have a heck of a time getting it to actually work well. Depending on your use case this may be ok. I'd suggest either trying to find an older MacMini that would support it natively, or trying to build a hackintosh. Goodluck!

How about just learning basics of Swift ?

[fpo]

38 minutes ago, soorma said:

How about just learning basics of Swift ?

There’s a tutorial on apples website but you won’t get to try it. 

[Cvdasfg]

10 hours ago, soorma said:

How about just learning basics of Swift ?

I mean you can technically learn the basics on anything even notepad or physical paper... It really depends on what your looking to get out of it.

[soorma]

18 hours ago, Cvdasfg said:

I mean you can technically learn the basics on anything even notepad or physical paper... It really depends on what your looking to get out of it.

That's great, how do I download it ? I have Ubantu Budgie 32 bit. 

[kirashi]

3 hours ago, soorma said:

That's great, how do I download it ? I have Ubantu Budgie 32 bit. 

First, you'll want to be running 64-bit Ubuntu if you want to write anything in 64-bit code, which is kind of a big deal in 2018, since all modern OS's are running in 64-bit mode now. There are plenty of guides on the internet if you simply Google for "swift ubuntu" so I linked the first few below.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/start-programming-swift-ubuntu/

https://gist.github.com/Azoy/8c47629fa160878cf359bf7380aaaaf9

https://medium.com/@agavatar/open-source-swift-on-ubuntu-linux-cd00e697dff0

[soorma]

11 hours ago, kirashi said:

First, you'll want to be running 64-bit Ubuntu if you want to write anything in 64-bit code, which is kind of a big deal in 2018, since all modern OS's are running in 64-bit mode now. There are plenty of guides on the internet if you simply Google for "swift ubuntu" so I linked the first few below.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/start-programming-swift-ubuntu/

https://gist.github.com/Azoy/8c47629fa160878cf359bf7380aaaaf9

https://medium.com/@agavatar/open-source-swift-on-ubuntu-linux-cd00e697dff0

Thanks. I'll see if If I could just install a 64bit processor on that laptop. 

[jimistephen]

On 9/16/2018 at 6:53 PM, kirashi said:

First, you'll want to be running 64-bit Ubuntu if you want to write anything in 64-bit code, which is kind of a big deal in 2018, since all modern OS's are running in 64-bit mode now. There are plenty of guides on the internet if you simply Google for "swift ubuntu" so I linked the first few below.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/start-programming-swift-ubuntu/

https://gist.github.com/Azoy/8c47629fa160878cf359bf7380aaaaf9

https://medium.com/@agavatar/open-source-swift-on-ubuntu-linux-cd00e697dff0

Don't forget swift will natively compile down to either 32-bit or 64-bit depending on the architecture of the machine. An Int in swift will be whatever size the PC can hold. If you NEED one or the other you have to use Int32/Int64.

[soorma]

On 9/19/2018 at 2:21 AM, jimistephen said:

Don't forget swift will natively compile down to either 32-bit or 64-bit depending on the architecture of the machine. An Int in swift will be whatever size the PC can hold. If you NEED one or the other you have to use Int32/Int64.

Okay

[Franck]

Don't forget 64 bits doesn't mean it's faster than 32 bits. It just mean everything take more space and you also have access to more memory (over 2 gb). Don't go waste money if you only plan to make small apps like word processing.

[soorma]

On 9/21/2018 at 10:33 PM, Franck said:

Don't forget 64 bits doesn't mean it's faster than 32 bits. It just mean everything take more space and you also have access to more memory (over 2 gb). Don't go waste money if you only plan to make small apps like word processing.

Right now I just want to learn.

[rhradec]

I've developed some Android apps for personal use in linux using Python and Kivy! 

 

Kivy is perfect to develop apps, if you know python already. https://kivy.org/#home 

 

Its also perfect to deliver to booth iOS and Android, since the same code can generate packages for booth platforms, which is awesome! 

 

here is a how-to on ios: https://kivy.org/doc/stable/guide/packaging-ios.html

 

The problem is that, to create an iOS ".ipa" package, there's no way but using Xcode... in OSX! 8\

 

But, since Kivy code is used for booth platforms, you could very well develop and test on Android (even testing on an android emulator in linux - Android studio has android emulation built-in, so you don't need a device), and just use a VM running OSX to generate the IPA when you actually want to test on iOS.

 

To install the latest OSX inside a VirtualBox machine, all the steps are here: ( So you don't need to OWN a Mac at all!! ) 

https://github.com/geerlingguy/macos-virtualbox-vm

 

You could even automatize the IPA build using ssh, so from inside your "Makefile", so a simple "make ios" in linux would ssh to the OSX virtualbox and build the IPA in the project folder you have on Linux.

That way you can work from linux and don't even have to look at OSX and Xcode! lol

 

Is a bit of setup, but after its done, coding is actually very simple and straight forward... and you get Android version for free! lol

 

have fun and let me known how it goes! 

 

cheers... 

-H

[soorma]

On 9/26/2018 at 11:22 PM, rhradec said:

I've developed some Android apps for personal use in linux using Python and Kivy! 

 

Kivy is perfect to develop apps, if you know python already. https://kivy.org/#home 

 

Its also perfect to deliver to booth iOS and Android, since the same code can generate packages for booth platforms, which is awesome! 

 

here is a how-to on ios: https://kivy.org/doc/stable/guide/packaging-ios.html

 

The problem is that, to create an iOS ".ipa" package, there's no way but using Xcode... in OSX! 8\

 

But, since Kivy code is used for booth platforms, you could very well develop and test on Android (even testing on an android emulator in linux - Android studio has android emulation built-in, so you don't need a device), and just use a VM running OSX to generate the IPA when you actually want to test on iOS.

 

To install the latest OSX inside a VirtualBox machine, all the steps are here: ( So you don't need to OWN a Mac at all!! ) 

https://github.com/geerlingguy/macos-virtualbox-vm

 

You could even automatize the IPA build using ssh, so from inside your "Makefile", so a simple "make ios" in linux would ssh to the OSX virtualbox and build the IPA in the project folder you have on Linux.

That way you can work from linux and don't even have to look at OSX and Xcode! lol

 

Is a bit of setup, but after its done, coding is actually very simple and straight forward... and you get Android version for free! lol

 

have fun and let me known how it goes! 

 

cheers... 

-H

Wow, thanks