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Posted · Original PosterOP

https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/12/17849868/eu-internet-copyright-reform-article-11-13-approved

 

I Just can't even fathom the depth of abuse this is going to be open to. I know this probably goes against the rules of the forum but I just can't even begin to form an opinion that is eloquent enough for this forum without wanting to go to Brussels and start banging unelected idiots heads together.

 

A couple snipits from the article;

 

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The most important parts of this are Articles 11 and 13. Article 11 is intended to give publishers and papers a way to make money when companies like Google link to their stories, allowing them to demand paid licenses. Article 13 requires certain platforms like YouTube and Facebook stop users sharing unlicensed copyrighted material.

Critics of the Copyright Directive say these provisions are disastrous. In the case of Article 11, they note that attempts to “tax” platforms like Google News when they share articles have repeatedly failed, and that the system would be ripe to abuse by copyright trolls.

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Article 13, they say, is even worse. The legislation requires that platforms work with rightsholders to stop users uploading copyrighted content. The only way to do so would be to scan all data being uploaded to sites like YouTube and Facebook. This would create an incredible burden for small platforms, and could be used as a mechanism for widespread censorship. This is why figures like Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales and World Wide Web inventor Tim Berners-Lee came out so strongly against the copyright directive.

The final vote for it is in Januray but going by the usual EU b******* I wouldn't get your hopes up for them to come to any form of commmon sense.

 

Another article from The Register about it.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/09/12/youtube_article13_special_report/


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this was a vote for what should be brought forth to the negotiation table for a new bill to pass, this isnt law. not even close. im no expert but thats what i have gathered so far.


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Just now, Bananasplit_00 said:

this was a vote for what should be brought forth to the negotiation table for a new bill to pass, this isnt law. not even close. im no expert but thats what i have gathered so far.

that how the law will look, but it not final version of it 

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Correct it's the bill but going by past EU bills and the vote count then it's unlikely to be stopped.


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to be fair, no where else in the world can  you post others work and get paid for it with no repercussions.    My personal opinion is that the creator(s) should get some of the ad revenue, or revenue from data sales.  thats the only reason google post it in the first place.

 

 

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Just now, Razzy_85 said:

Correct it's the bill but going by past EU bills and the vote count then it's unlikely to be stopped.

was stopped because of articles 11 and 13 last time, doubt enough people changed their minds.

1 minute ago, Tedny said:

that how the law will look, but it not final version of it 

article 11 and 13 were both brought forward for a new plan of the build which will then be put up for vote, much can still change and personally i doubt it will pass if it still has the original versions of those articles in it. there are quite a few bad things, but also a lot of good stuff. this wasent voted through as law and that vote is sometime next year when a new bill has been negotiated. this really isnt as bad as some make it out to be, but if it passes like this it would probably be a disaster yes


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12 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

was stopped because of articles 11 and 13 last time, doubt enough people changed their minds.

article 11 and 13 were both brought forward for a new plan of the build which will then be put up for vote, much can still change and personally i doubt it will pass if it still has the original versions of those articles in it. there are quite a few bad things, but also a lot of good stuff. this wasent voted through as law and that vote is sometime next year when a new bill has been negotiated. this really isnt as bad as some make it out to be, but if it passes like this it would probably be a disaster yes

Yes this is the revised version as the previous was knocked back, now it's sailed through with little objection (240+ votes is little objection by EU standards)


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6 minutes ago, Razzy_85 said:

Yes this is the revised version as the previous was knocked back, now it's sailed through with little objection (240+ votes is little objection by EU standards)

not as i understand it, this was just a round of what should be brought forth to be accepted into the bill that will then be voted on. there is still finishing work and another vote before its passed as law


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Sometimes I wish I was in the EU because of consumer protection laws and then I remember about stuff like this


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51 minutes ago, JCBiggs said:

to be fair, no where else in the world can  you post others work and get paid for it with no repercussions.    My personal opinion is that the creator(s) should get some of the ad revenue, or revenue from data sales.  thats the only reason google post it in the first place.

Actually it's easier than you think you just need to avoid immediate recognition of the original. 

 

The internet it's just a way to put a magnifying glass on a fundamental problem copyright legislation never considered: that it is utterly impractical to enforce to the point that it becomes functionally impossible.


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53 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

was stopped because of articles 11 and 13 last time, doubt enough people changed their minds.

article 11 and 13 were both brought forward for a new plan of the build which will then be put up for vote, much can still change and personally i doubt it will pass if it still has the original versions of those articles in it. there are quite a few bad things, but also a lot of good stuff. this wasent voted through as law and that vote is sometime next year when a new bill has been negotiated. this really isnt as bad as some make it out to be, but if it passes like this it would probably be a disaster yes

how I said - not final version, but still same text 

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1 hour ago, Razzy_85 said:

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Being Scottish you don't have to care about it, you only have to care what the English rulers will do about it. :)

 

For those in the EU, the final text isn't approved yet, so nothing changed really


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2 hours ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

this was a vote for what should be brought forth to the negotiation table for a new bill to pass, this isnt law. not even close. im no expert but thats what i have gathered so far.

Technically true, but in practice they're very likely to pass it now. They go through a round of negotiations with the Commission and EU Council, but since those two were pushing for these changes, don't expect the final bill to be substantially different from what was approved today.

 

And the final vote is also very likely to succeed.

 

11 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

It's not final per se, but it has passed by far the biggest hurdle.

 

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Today’s vote is an important next step but it’s not the end of the lawmaking process. The Copyright Directive and the agreed amendments will now enter the stage of trilogue negotiations with the EU Council and Commission.

 

The result of these private discussions will determine the final text the European Parliament will have to vote on early next year. In most cases, the result of the trilogue negotiations is confirmed, but when that’s not the case the entire process of changes, negotiations, and a vote, starts over.

 

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While I honestly think it's acceptable for a creator to be profitable in his work, it should have severely limited scope. Carbon copies of art should be covered, but only for a limited period of time. Afterwards, it becomes public domain. A work of art shouldn't profitable over 100 years and only the original work, and its derivatives by the original author, should have an appreciable return. 

 

I would hope that someone comes forward to flood the Internet with Mickey Mouse icons across thousands of websites and millions of users. Enforcement of this is ridiculous and gives a creator, or someone pretending, too much control of his work. 

 

I'd also like to see a provision added for news articles as those aren't created except for the opinion portion. Articles should not be protected for use when discussing in a video or paper. Citation is as far as respect should go here. 


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1 hour ago, Misanthrope said:

Actually it's easier than you think you just need to avoid immediate recognition of the original. 

 

The internet it's just a way to put a magnifying glass on a fundamental problem copyright legislation never considered: that it is utterly impractical to enforce to the point that it becomes functionally impossible.

just because its easy doesnt make it right.

 

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1 hour ago, jagdtigger said:

It's not. The final voting is in January. Highly unlikely they will vote differently.

 

Yay EU, you just had to pull another one, didn't you? 


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Please no, i dont wanna access the web using my fucking passport, plz no south korea. I give eu 2 years till they start hustling the idea. So far on track

 

Piracy is a wonderful thing, without it we would not have 50 shades of grey or twilight. Or TTS, which is a godsent.

 

 

Maybe its time to riot and burn bill sponsors property?

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IF you can do anything at all even with the slightest effect, please help to kill and disband the EU, im no anarchist but we will manage to live off without the fucking union just fine like all the other billions of people in the world.

The EU has long gone past its attributes and original reason we created the union and now has become a tyranical regime led by corporations and elitists, people have no control over it anymore, its a genius union if you think about it, no one elects or can protest against these garbage laws they are just forced down our throats.

 

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Letting a governmental entity control the flow of news: Check.


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3 hours ago, schwellmo92 said:

We need to fucking bomb the EU and wipe them off the face of the earth, they’ve already had huge ass banners placed on every website about cookies. Do they think they own the internet or something? Absolute trolls.

 

11 minutes ago, yian88 said:

IF you can do anything at all even with the slightest effect, please help to kill and disband the EU, im no anarchist but we will manage to live off without the fucking union just fine like all the other billions of people in the world.

The EU has long gone past its attributes and original reason we created the union and now has become a tyranical regime led by corporations and elitists, people have no control over it anymore, its a genius union if you think about it, no one elects or can protest against these garbage laws they are just forced down our throats.

 

These kinds of posts are missing one major point: It's not like these initiatives would not be taking place if the EU did not exist. The EU is simply doing what its member states want, overall.

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