Is AMD a Viable Option in 2018??

[Ivan M]

In April of 2017, AMD blindsided Intel by launching brand-new Ryzen series of processors. How does second-gen Ryzen stack against the competition in 2018?

 

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[JoeCoke]

Yes.

 

(Also nice shoutout to GN. )

[Guest]

Yes.

[Rotharn]

Would like to see Monster Hunter World be added to the gaming CPU benchmark tests. Not out of any particular love for the game, but it's the most insanely multi-threaded, CPU intensive, game I've seen in a while. I know these videos are made long in advance of their release and I'm sorry if I'm jumping the gun on any plans LMG might have for future benchmark comparisons.

Attached is a debug screenshot created by Kaldaien, a mod developer on Steam, displaying the absurd amount of threads running in just the mission hub of the game.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1475729951

 

[Daniel644]

to sum up the video, EVERYTHING, EVERYONE has been saying for the last YEAR and a half (almost) on the "New Builds" section of this forum. Ryzen for Workstations, Intel for Gaming.

[eisenklad]

viable

ˈvʌɪəb(ə)l/

adjective

1. capable of working successfully; feasible.

   synonyms:

   workable, feasible, practicable, practical, applicable, usable, manageable, operable, operational, possible, within the bounds/realms of possibility, within reach, within reason, likely, achievable, attainable, accomplishable, realizable, reasonable, sensible, realistic, logical, useful, of use, serviceable, suitable, expedient, effective, valid, tenable

    

    

   i didnt realize that Viable had to be  cost effective to the Nth degree that you cant say out right. "Yes, its Viable"

    

   if your arent running single Threaded games like minecraft, save yourself that 60 dollars with an AMD cpu and buy a game or two. you wont lose much. i can chalk up that 20% lead is optimization. its a hard fact that game devs dont spend as much optimizing their code as adding more content/ DLCs/ fixing Bugs. So for AMD which is still catching up to Intel in market share, there less of an incentive to optimize for AMD.

    

   StoreMi/RST isnt a feature most users look out but its an added bonus.
   Gamers might appreciate the faster load times, but at a certain point, they should have decently large enough ram instead of depending on storage solutions that has the performance benefit that is rated in micro seconds.

    

    

    

[Zando_]

14 minutes ago, Daniel644 said:

to sum up the video, EVERYTHING, EVERYONE has been saying for the last YEAR and a half (almost) on the "New Builds" section of this forum. Ryzen for Workstations, Intel for Gaming.

But I use Ryzen for gaming....

[Daniel644]

5 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

But I use Ryzen for gaming....

and no one said you couldn't, you just aren't getting the maximum FPS that you could get with Intel.

 

 

Disclaimer, I have a R7 1700 system AND an i7 6700k system, I use the 6700k for gaming (as that is what I built it for) and the 1700 system I built for work, so I have nothing against either team. I very much enjoy the performance in my work applications of the 1700, all those threads makes it butter smooth.

[Zando_]

Just now, Daniel644 said:

and no one said you couldn't, you just aren't getting the maximum FPS that you could get with Intel.

 

 

Disclaimer, I have a R7 1700 system AND an i7 6700k system, I use the 6700k for gaming (as that is what I built it for) and the 1700 system I built for work for work, so I have nothing against either team. I very much enjoy the performance in my work applications of the 1700, all those threads makes it butter smooth.

Yep, I've got the R7 2700X. I do have a rig I'm flipping rn though with an 8600K and it is super nice for gaming, but not that much of an improvement over my Ryzen (neither was the 8700K that was in that rig before, and both rigs have the same GPU). 

[SolarNova]

HEADLINE !

Intel better for gaming over AMD !

in Other news !

Water .. wet !

[SolarNova]

33 minutes ago, Rotharn said:

Would like to see Monster Hunter World be added to the gaming CPU benchmark tests. Not out of any particular love for the game, but it's the most insanely multi-threaded, CPU intensive, game I've seen in a while. I know these videos are made long in advance of their release and I'm sorry if I'm jumping the gun on any plans LMG might have for future benchmark comparisons.

Attached is a debug screenshot created by Kaldaien, a mod developer on Steam, displaying the absurd amount of threads running in just the mission hub of the game.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1475729951

 

MHW is an unoptimised mess though.

Im MH fan, played most games since MHFU , even the Jap ones, I play MHW, but its the only game i got atm that my 780 cant maintain 60 FPS at 1080p. MHW is a sh*tshow in regards to optimisation. Not to mention bugs. AND it even uses dynamic resolution scaling and variable LOD settings in 3/4 stock graphic profiles in an attempt to keep FPS high by lowering resolution below native ( yes below 1080p on a PC) and decrease culling distance and object detail also.

 

Dont get me wrong the game is great, the port most certainly is NOT. So it isnt the best idea to use it as a benchmark imo.

[B1scu1T]

In b4 nvidia driver comments

[samcool55]

21 minutes ago, Daniel644 said:

and no one said you couldn't, you just aren't getting the maximum FPS that you could get with Intel.

 

 

Disclaimer, I have a R7 1700 system AND an i7 6700k system, I use the 6700k for gaming (as that is what I built it for) and the 1700 system I built for work for work, so I have nothing against either team. I very much enjoy the performance in my work applications of the 1700, all those threads makes it butter smooth.

Well max fps is nice but for me it would make not really difference, i game at 1080p60, both CPU's can do that just fine. It's nice the intel one can do 120 and the amd can "only" do 90 (just random numbers) but, both are higher than 60, i would be fine with both, i'm not going to notice the higher fps the intel gives me.

 

I pick a cpu not only on workload but on fps and resolution i will game at. Same goes for GPU's, a 1080ti is nice but wtf is the point of it if you play at 1080p60, 1060/1070 is perfectly fine.

[D13H4RD]

There’s 2 elephants waiting in that room over there 

 

Intel’s 9th gen CPUs and AMD’s 3rd gen Ryzen CPUs

 

Would be interesting to see whether or not they gain in their weakest areas

[AlTech]

2 hours ago, Daniel644 said:

to sum up the video, EVERYTHING, EVERYONE has been saying for the last YEAR and a half (almost) on the "New Builds" section of this forum. Ryzen for Workstations, Intel for Gaming.

AMD products are great for gaming. In a small minority of situations, some Intel customers can expect a marginal performance improvement in certain unoptimized workloads.

[eaglejonno]

Just wondering if you could repeat the tests running the same clock speeds for ram and cpu MHz?   Would that affect the results? 

 

[BrokenBladez]

Wow this video really rubbed me the wrong way.  As an owner of a Ryzen 1700 @3.9ghz I'm left scratching my head as to why Linus is so incredibly cheap.

 

"Pre-Soaking my toothbrush so I can get a lot more mileage out of them".

 

Living that peasant lifestyle, eh, Linus?

 

EDIT:  Yes.  I made an account just to post this.

Edited September 5, 2018 by BrokenBladez
raison d'etre

[Arika]

the click bait is getting worse. of course it is....

[PrinnyExplodes]

For people who are sticker shocked by this, I don't know what rock you been living under. 
 

Is Ryzen bad for gaming? No it isn't. Is Intel bad for multitasking or heavy workloads or steaming? No it isn't. Can both do games and workloads? YES they can. 

 

The fact that people need to feel validated that their purchase is the best seems to be the most disturbing. It is almost a cult lol

[Stefan Payne]

Maybe you shouldn't have gone with ASUS? Because my X370-F Strix Gaming consumes ~20W more under load than the BIOSTAR X370GT7 I had before and the MSI B450I Gaming I have now. And ~10-15W More in Idle...

[LOST TALE]

I just bought a ryzen 2600 and I went from being cpu bottlenecked in bf1 to it running at 50% with no bottleneck.

 

Very satisfied.

[mallenwho]

Really sad to see cities skylines miss out on the gaming benchmarks. It's a well defined CPU bound game that has at least some multithreaded optimisation, it's a top 50 steam game for the past three years, and currently the community is more toxic than most with everyone having an opinion on what's best (the prevailing being Intel is just "better for gaming" despite not every game having the same workload.) Real benchmarks with no bottlenecks (might need 64gb ram to avoid bottlenecking there) would go a really long way in that community, where the difficulty to run the game and its dedicated fan base sees MANY people building dedicated rigs custom optimised to run it. And with the misinformation out there as to what happens with cities skylines, a lot of people are getting the wrong deal. 

 

One graph would be great. A number would be better. Please let me know if this is something you'd consider expanding upon LMG. 

[GDRRiley]

3 hours ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

Would be interesting to see whether or not they gain in their weakest areas

AMD needs clockspeed, with a small IPC bump and maybe slightly better memory controllers but ryzen 2nd gen helped a lot with that.

We know intel at all but the high end of desktop will lose hyperthreading which makes me wonder why by the 9th gen i7 if its just 8 core if you could get 8th with 6 cores and hyperthreading its going to be a weird time. 

[D13H4RD]

15 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

AMD needs clockspeed, with a small IPC bump and maybe slightly better memory controllers but ryzen 2nd gen helped a lot with that.

Rumor has it that IPC-wise, Zen 2 is about 10-15% better than Zen+

[Daniel644]

3 hours ago, eaglejonno said:

Just wondering if you could repeat the tests running the same clock speeds for ram and cpu MHz?   Would that affect the results? 

 

WHY would you limit one CPU just to benefit the other for comparison that would be like racing a Supercar against a Civic but telling the Supercar driver he's not allowed to shift past 3rd gear or rev over 3k RPM.

 

Ryzen sees better gains from Higher Clocked RAM at a much better rate then Intel does and Intel is flat out capable of a much higher core clock, you would either have to gimp Ryzen with crappy ram or gimp Intel with a crappy clockspeed, at which point they would both be functionally the same product due to having nearly identical IPC's.

 

3 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

AMD products are great for gaming. In a small minority of situations, some Intel customers can expect a marginal performance improvement in certain unoptimized workloads.

"small minority" for RAW GAMING Intel wins 95 times out of a 100 on the FPS count, now that does shift if you are both gaming and streaming from the same machine, then Ryzens higher core count helps significantly, Ryzen is the smarter buy no doubt, especially if you can get your hands on a heavily discounted first gen Ryzen, I picked up my 1700 for 200 bucks at Microcenter back around March, but facts are facts and Linus's video just confirms yet again what has been seen time and time again.