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i7-9700K overclocked to 5.5Ghz on all cores spotted on Chinese website. Scores 1827 in Cinebench.

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21 minutes ago, Sauron said:

It will most likely be a hyperthreaded 6 core.

No, the only CPUs featuring hyper-threading will be the i9 and the i3, i5's will remain 6c/6t, the i7 as we see will be a 8c/8t, the i3 9350K will be an i7 7700K rebrand so 4c/8t and finally the almighty 8c/16t i9 9900K


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Seems weird they are gonna be doing i7 without hyperthreading, but keeping with the naming convention of previous K chips that were hyperthreaded... way to make things complicated again intel :D


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1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

No, the only CPUs featuring hyper-threading will be the i9 and the i3, i5's will remain 6c/6t, the i7 as we see will be a 8c/8t, the i3 9350K will be an i7 7700K rebrand so 4c/8t and finally the almighty 8c/16t i9 9900K

Right, I forgot.

 

It's still ridiculous that the i7 doesn't get ht and they added a whole brand only for that.


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-OnePlus X - [7/10]

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A good phone for the price. It does everything I (and most people) need without being sluggish and has no particularly bad flaws. The lack of recent software updates and relatively barebones feature kit (most notably the lack of 5GHz wifi, biometric sensors and backlight for the capacitive buttons) prevent it from being exceptional.

 

-Microsoft Surface Book 2 - [Garbage - -/10]

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Overpriced and rushed, offers nothing notable compared to the competition, doesn't come with an adequate charger despite the premium price. Worse than the Macbook for not even offering the small plus sides of having macOS. Buy a Razer Blade if you want high performance in a (relatively) light package.

 

-Intel Core i7 2600/k - [9/10]

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Quite possibly Intel's best product launch ever. It had all the bleeding edge features of the time, it came with a very significant performance improvement over its predecessor and it had a soldered heatspreader, allowing for efficient cooling and great overclocking. Even the "locked" version could be overclocked through the multiplier within (quite reasonable) limits.

 

-Apple iPad Pro - [5/10]

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A pretty good product, sunk by its price (plus the extra cost of the physical keyboard and the pencil). Buy it if you don't mind the Apple tax and are looking for a very light office machine with an excellent digitizer. Particularly good for rich students. Bad for cheap tinkerers like myself.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Right, I forgot.

 

It's still ridiculous that the i7 doesn't get ht and they added a whole brand only for that.

And now also have i9 on both mainstream and HEDT. Intel really are the kings of confusion with all the bullshit marketing they pull.

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Not really that promising considering the alleged 400-450 Euro (EU) price tag that has been leaked and thrown around from some admittedly unreliable sources, though not any more unreliable than this source. Even at 5.5GHZ, it's only at the same level of performance as the 2700x.


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2 minutes ago, schwellmo92 said:

And now also have i9 on both mainstream and HEDT. Intel really are the kings of confusion with all the bullshit marketing they pull.

It's funny how the i9 brand was born to differentiate HEDT from mainstream (before they were all called i7) and now they completely nullified that...


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-Lenovo Thinkpad X220 - [8/10]

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From my perspective, this product has no redeeming factors given its price and the competition. It is underpowered, overpriced, impractical due to its single port and is made redundant even by Apple's own iPad pro line.

 

-OnePlus X - [7/10]

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A good phone for the price. It does everything I (and most people) need without being sluggish and has no particularly bad flaws. The lack of recent software updates and relatively barebones feature kit (most notably the lack of 5GHz wifi, biometric sensors and backlight for the capacitive buttons) prevent it from being exceptional.

 

-Microsoft Surface Book 2 - [Garbage - -/10]

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Overpriced and rushed, offers nothing notable compared to the competition, doesn't come with an adequate charger despite the premium price. Worse than the Macbook for not even offering the small plus sides of having macOS. Buy a Razer Blade if you want high performance in a (relatively) light package.

 

-Intel Core i7 2600/k - [9/10]

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Quite possibly Intel's best product launch ever. It had all the bleeding edge features of the time, it came with a very significant performance improvement over its predecessor and it had a soldered heatspreader, allowing for efficient cooling and great overclocking. Even the "locked" version could be overclocked through the multiplier within (quite reasonable) limits.

 

-Apple iPad Pro - [5/10]

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A pretty good product, sunk by its price (plus the extra cost of the physical keyboard and the pencil). Buy it if you don't mind the Apple tax and are looking for a very light office machine with an excellent digitizer. Particularly good for rich students. Bad for cheap tinkerers like myself.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Sauron said:

HAH

 

no it won't, the i7 doesn't even have hyperthreading. It will most likely be a hyperthreaded 6 core.

Yeah it's going to be a 6 core without hyper threading. If they have it 6 cores with hyper threading then nobody would buy the i7. 

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44 minutes ago, Sauron said:

It's funny how the i9 brand was born to differentiate HEDT from mainstream (before they were all called i7) and now they completely nullified that...

It's done to justify the price increase to the common consumer. The brand new i9-9900k 8 core 16 thread sells better than the i7-9700k 8 core 16 thread.


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4 minutes ago, MMKing said:

It's done to justify the price increase to the common consumer. The brand new i9-9900k 8 core 16 thread sells better than the i7-9700k 8 core 16 thread.

Maybe, but it's still stupid. Going by that logic next year we should have a core i11.


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-Lenovo Thinkpad X220 - [8/10]

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A durable and reliable machine that is relatively lightweight, has all the hardware it needs to never feel sluggish and has a great IPS matte screen. Downsides are mostly due to its age, most notably the screen resolution of 1366x768 and usb 2.0 ports.

 

-Apple Macbook (2015) - [Garbage -/10]

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From my perspective, this product has no redeeming factors given its price and the competition. It is underpowered, overpriced, impractical due to its single port and is made redundant even by Apple's own iPad pro line.

 

-OnePlus X - [7/10]

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A good phone for the price. It does everything I (and most people) need without being sluggish and has no particularly bad flaws. The lack of recent software updates and relatively barebones feature kit (most notably the lack of 5GHz wifi, biometric sensors and backlight for the capacitive buttons) prevent it from being exceptional.

 

-Microsoft Surface Book 2 - [Garbage - -/10]

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Overpriced and rushed, offers nothing notable compared to the competition, doesn't come with an adequate charger despite the premium price. Worse than the Macbook for not even offering the small plus sides of having macOS. Buy a Razer Blade if you want high performance in a (relatively) light package.

 

-Intel Core i7 2600/k - [9/10]

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Quite possibly Intel's best product launch ever. It had all the bleeding edge features of the time, it came with a very significant performance improvement over its predecessor and it had a soldered heatspreader, allowing for efficient cooling and great overclocking. Even the "locked" version could be overclocked through the multiplier within (quite reasonable) limits.

 

-Apple iPad Pro - [5/10]

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A pretty good product, sunk by its price (plus the extra cost of the physical keyboard and the pencil). Buy it if you don't mind the Apple tax and are looking for a very light office machine with an excellent digitizer. Particularly good for rich students. Bad for cheap tinkerers like myself.

 

 

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Thats kind of a very dissapointing score, when r7 1700 (a 200$ cpu) gets 1624 cb score at 3.8ghz 1.35v. On stock cooler.

 

That 1.5v with watercooler part especially was disappointing, makes you think what the stock score is on that.

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Has anyone noticed the +, in i5+, i7+ and i9+?

It seems that not only will the CPU's be optane compatible, but you will get a small Optane drive to go with it...

 

I wish there was a file system that could pass all 4k blocks to an optane drive and larger blocks to anotherm let's say Samsung 970 Evo drive, directly from CPU.

Fastest 4k reads/writes and highest transfer rates.

Intel would certainly not let that kind of technology exist would they? Anyone knows if PrimoCache can do such a thing?


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8 minutes ago, RobbinM said:

Has anyone noticed the +, in i5+, i7+ and i9+?

It seems that not only will the CPU's be optane compatible, but you will get a small Optane drive to go with it...

 

I wish there was a file system that could pass all 4k blocks to an optane drive and larger blocks to anotherm let's say Samsung 970 Evo drive, directly from CPU.

Fastest 4k reads/writes and highest transfer rates.

Intel would certainly not let that kind of technology exist would they? Anyone knows if PrimoCache can do such a thing?

Are you meaning queue depth?

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3 hours ago, Sauron said:

Maybe, but it's still stupid. Going by that logic next year we should have a core i11.

They will probably call it the Core X or something but pronounce it core 10 instead of saying x even though it's spelled with an x and not a 10 because apple/micro$oft/$am$ung did it first. not opinion but rather an assumption btw.


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4 hours ago, Origami Cactus said:

Thats kind of a very dissapointing score, when r7 1700 (a 200$ cpu) gets 1624 cb score at 3.8ghz 1.35v. On stock cooler.

 

That 1.5v with watercooler part especially was disappointing, makes you think what the stock score is on that.

R7 1700 - 16 threads

i7 9700K - 8 threads

 

I'm interested to see what the power consumption is for this setup, Coffee Lake was being beaten by Ryzen+ in efficiency and with the i7 8700K drawing 120+W at stock a full 16T CPU may be too much for many boards.

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There is a correction the needs to be made here, before everyone gets misinformed.

 

About this Core + like the Core i5+, i7+ and i9+

The plus sign just means the cpus comes bundle with a Intel Optane drive. All Intel 200 and 300 series CPUs will support Intel Optane, even if the CPU you got does not have that plus sign. There is no such thing as Intel Core i7 8700K+ that supports Intel Optane and a Intel Core i7 8700K that does not support Intel Optane. Both cpus will support it.


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Posted · Original PosterOP

I get why Intel bundles an Optane drive with it, they want you to enjoy the most responsive system (or they don't want you to say your HDD-based computer is slow because of Intel). But most of us are likely to get a bigger NVME drive with such a system.

 

Now what to do with those drives you get with it?

- New keychain?

- Sell it on craigslist?

- Use it to cache your game drive?

- Boot Windows from it only?

 

I've already seen troublesome advertising with optane, consumers are getting baited with more RAM:

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That's just what was needed. More confusion for consumers.


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Posted · Original PosterOP

Hyperthreading is available in the i9+.

The single core performance is what interests me the most of this CPU. 250CB is the highest i've seen from a consumer chip, am I right?


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On 27.08.2018 at 4:43 PM, Princess Cadence said:

That single core score though

 

On 27.08.2018 at 5:09 PM, bcredeur97 said:

250 single core

 

On 28.08.2018 at 6:06 PM, RobbinM said:

The single core performance is what interests me the most of this CPU. 250CB is the highest i've seen from a consumer chip, am I right?

 

A quick look at our own LTT Cinebench table makes me think that Single Thread performance is about the same or maybe slightly higher than 8700k/7700k/7900X.

 

250 is high but remember that the CPU was running at 5.5 GHz. If you compare it to the top results from LTT's Cinebench you will see that it's quite similar.


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On 27/08/2018 at 3:17 PM, RobbinM said:

The not yet offically announced CPU reached a score of 1827 in Cinebench.

This was possible with watercooling and a core voltage of 1.536, which makes it only suitable for benchmark tries, not for daily driving..

An Asrock Profesional Gaming Z370 board was used to achieve the all-core overclock.

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Source: https://tweakers.net/nieuws/142569/chinese-website-toont-core-i7-9700k-overgeklokt-tot-5-komma-5ghz-op-alle-cores.html

Source: http://cpu.zol.com.cn/696/6966410.html

 

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For an all-core overclock this seems to be very promising. You would expect this from a cherry-picked CPU, or maybe with a chiller or a little LN2.

If a 5.5 Ghz overclock is possible with watercooling (might be a lot of watercooling) then a 5.2-5.3 Ghz overclock with a more reasonable voltage is more at reach for normal users.

Also, it shows that the soldering of the IHS is really delivering very good thermal performance, which in return let's users keep their warranty but still be able to overclock to a high degree, which is very nice indeed.

How the thermals keep up with the 8-core 16-thread i9-9900K remains to be seen, but these results look very promising.

It might just be possible for the i9-9900K to have at least the same overclocks as seen with i7-8700K, but with added multithreaded performance.

 

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It seems that the + in i5+, i7+ and i9+ not only means that it is optane compatible, but that you will even get a (small) optane drive to go with the CPU

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Those original sources don't confirm this is water cooling.

 

CAN WE PLEASE make sure that spurious claims are not posted all over the forum?

 

This is deliberately misleading advertising and click bait.

 

Can people also at least make the claims from reputable sources.

 


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Posted · Original PosterOP

First of all:

The Chinese source says it is watercooling. Right between the two pictures.

Second: wouldn't you like to have a hint at the performance of the new chips?

Third: How is this deliberately misleading? Do you think I'm trolling? Do you have a problem with me?

Fourth: How is this advertising? I don't gain anything from posting this. I just want to share with tech people.

Fifth: How is this clickbait? Because it might interest people? Then everything tech is clickbait for tech people.

Sixth: If you have a problem with clickbait, why are you on a Linus Tech Tips forum? A clickbait YouTube clip probably brought you here...

 

Listen, news like this can be faked, so always think twice. Don't believe me, or any other poster until it is confirmed with actual benchmarks after the release date and even then, compare all the benchmarks you can find and weigh them with trustfullness factored in. After release, we will find out if these results hold ground or not. Until then, it might just be the only glimpse to actual performance of the hardware we have yet. Take it or leave it, decide for yourself but please, let others do decide for themselfs as well.


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