Twitch Prime Ends Ad-Free Viewing for Prime Users, citing "Opportunity for Creators"

[Commodus]

Can we stop suggesting that people screw over Twitch streamers by running ad blockers, please?  I know you want to stick it to Amazon, but you're hurting everyday people who in many cases are barely making a decent living by streaming.    And they're not about to switch to Mixer just because you can't stand a 30-second promo.

[S w a t s o n]

5 minutes ago, Commodus said:

Can we stop suggesting that people screw over Twitch streamers by running ad blockers, please?  I know you want to stick it to Amazon, but you're hurting everyday people who in many cases are barely making a decent living by streaming.    And they're not about to switch to Mixer just because you can't stand a 30-second promo.

Lul we don't want them to switch to mixer anyways, or even hitbox. We want amazon to provide the benefits they promised at launch

 

Edit: Oh hitbox is now smashcast? ok then

[Commodus]

1 minute ago, S w a t s o n said:

Lul we don't want them to switch to mixer anyways, or even hitbox. We want amazon to provide the benefits they promised at launch

I understand, but it's still wrong to insist that your desire to avoid ads is more important than a streamer's need to make a living.  Watch the ads or go to another service; there are no other morally acceptable options.

[S w a t s o n]

Just now, Commodus said:

I understand, but it's still morally wrong to insist that your desire to avoid ads is more important than a streamer's need to make a living.

>morally wrong

aaaand i'm out

[Razor Blade]

14 minutes ago, Commodus said:

I understand, but it's still wrong to insist that your desire to avoid ads is more important than a streamer's need to make a living.  Watch the ads or go to another service; there are no other morally acceptable options.

There are a lot of people out there that would rather pay a subscription to avoid ads. But in today's society premium memberships are a drop in the bucket compared to ad revenue. Not really to the content creator but the hosting company. It really wouldn't surprise me if the real reason was advertisers may have gotten butt hurt by twitch prime shutting their ads down.

 

Unrelated to the topic but in the subject of advertising... Just the other day I was filling my vehicle with fuel and the pump actually started playing ads. Not only did it prompt me to leave the pump filling while I stepped into my vehicle, It actually deterred me from going inside and buying a soft drink or bag of chips (the opposite intended effect). I do not want to support a company that insists to blatantly bombard me with ads.

[jagdtigger]

8 minutes ago, Commodus said:

a streamer's need to make a living

That is why many choose to subscribe instead of adblock... If they gonna play dirty dont blame the user base for countering it in a similar manner.

[AnonymousGuy]

12 minutes ago, Razor Blade said:

There are a lot of people out there that would rather pay a subscription to avoid ads. But in today's society premium memberships are a drop in the bucket compared to ad revenue. Not really to the content creator but the hosting company.

 

Unrelated to the topic but in the subject of advertising... Just the other day I was filling my vehicle with fuel and the pump actually started playing ads. Not only did it prompt me to leave the pump filling while I stepped into my vehicle, It actually deterred me from going inside and buying a soft drink or bag of chips (the opposite intended effect). I do not want to support a company that insists to blatantly bombard me with ads.

Actually not, paying $10 is far more money that you'd be worth in terms of ad revenue.  Each view you make is probably worth a fraction of a cent so even if you were watching 50 videos a day every day for a month you'd be "worth" a couple bucks tops.

 

I run a iron dome of ad blocking because I don't give a fuck about people making money from ads.  There's plenty of suckers who don't run ad blockers who cover my share of ad revenue.  It's like the argument "well if no one voted then Mickey Mouse would win the presidency" when you say you don't vote....sure it's true in theory, but in practice it'll never happen so it's a moot point.  For every 1 person running ad block, there's 20 that aren't.

[Razor Blade]

4 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

Actually not, paying $10 is far more money that you'd be worth in terms of ad revenue.  Each view you make is probably worth a fraction of a cent so even if you were watching 50 videos a day every day for a month you'd be "worth" a couple bucks tops.

 

I run a iron dome of ad blocking because I don't give a fuck about people making money from ads.  There's plenty of suckers who don't run ad blockers who cover my share of ad revenue.  It's like the argument "well if no one voted then Mickey Mouse would win the presidency" when you say you don't vote....sure it's true in theory, but in practice it'll never happen so it's a moot point.

To a content creator yes. But to the hosting company... if an ad company (marketing companies, not one specific entity or producer of goods and services) decided not to proceed with an ad contract because your viewership (of ads) isn't meeting their desired numbers...your (consumer) premium membership means jack.

[AlTech]

Honestly, I'm seeing less and less the benefit of Amazon Prime. These changes to Twitch Prime basically turn what I thought was an acceptable service to something I can no longer support.

 

If Amazon doesn't reverse this decision, I'm probably gonna cancel my Amazon Prime sub by the end of the year.

[Commodus]

52 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

That is why many choose to subscribe instead of adblock... If they gonna play dirty dont blame the user base for countering it in a similar manner.

But it's not playing dirty.  You can say it's a bad move, that it may steer people away from Prime or toward other services, but it's clean.  Using an unofficial tool that cheats streamers out of their revenue?  That's dirty.

 

Besides, what did your parents teach you growing up?  Two wrongs don't make a right.  Just because you feel angry doesn't mean you're entitled to do whatever you want in response to that anger.

[Razor Blade]

2 minutes ago, Commodus said:

But it's not playing dirty.  You can say it's a bad move, that it may steer people away from Prime or toward other services, but it's clean.  Using an unofficial tool that cheats streamers out of their revenue?  That's dirty.

 

Besides, what did your parents teach you growing up?  Two wrongs don't make a right.

If I am paying for a premium service that promises not to serve me ads then later decides to change the service to serve me ads anyway, that is unacceptable IMO. Whether it is people sick and tired of ads using ad block, or people sick and tired of the ads deciding to no longer consume content of that platform...the only losing party is the content creator.

[yolosnail]

1 hour ago, AnonymousGuy said:

Each view you make is probably worth a fraction of a cent so even if you were watching 50 videos a day every day for a month you'd be "worth" a couple bucks tops.

And that is the exact reason why I have no problem blocking ads that I would not click on anyway. Even if I see an ad for something that I want, I'd rather go direct to the site as it's bad practice to click on unknown links

[herrgkl]

No ads was literally the only reason why I started paying for Twitch Prime. And while I have enjoyed a couple of games they gave, damn, if they come back to super annoying, extremely loud and way too repetitive and irrelevant ads once again, fuck em, I'll finally install uBlock. GAH!

[Ryujin2003]

I'd rather get no advertising that given free games I'll never play...

 

And I think ads should be up to the creators, that way I can watch and support the ones who don't becomes advertisement oriented fucks.

[Commodus]

1 hour ago, Razor Blade said:

If I am paying for a premium service that promises not to serve me ads then later decides to change the service to serve me ads anyway, that is unacceptable IMO. Whether it is people sick and tired of ads using ad block, or people sick and tired of the ads deciding to no longer consume content of that platform...the only losing party is the content creator.

You can certainly find that unacceptable -- just don't insist that you have a right to watch without ads.  It's like stealing from a store because they stopped giving something away as a freebie with your purchase.  Losing the freebie sucks, but you aren't entitled to steal it just because you 'feel' it should be free.

[TimeOmnivore]

3 hours ago, Commodus said:

Can we stop suggesting that people screw over Twitch streamers by running ad blockers, please?  I know you want to stick it to Amazon, but you're hurting everyday people who in many cases are barely making a decent living by streaming.    And they're not about to switch to Mixer just because you can't stand a 30-second promo.

This may sound rude, but I value my time far, far more than their ability to make a few cents off of me watching ads on their streams.

[S w a t s o n]

26 minutes ago, Commodus said:

You can certainly find that unacceptable -- just don't insist that you have a right to watch without ads.  It's like stealing from a store because they stopped giving something away as a freebie with your purchase.  Losing the freebie sucks, but you aren't entitled to steal it just because you 'feel' it should be free.

 

 

[Razor Blade]

48 minutes ago, Commodus said:

You can certainly find that unacceptable -- just don't insist that you have a right to watch without ads.  It's like stealing from a store because they stopped giving something away as a freebie with your purchase.  Losing the freebie sucks, but you aren't entitled to steal it just because you 'feel' it should be free.

Ad free feature is not giving anything away. It was a feature, an incentive to sign up for twitch prime. Now Amazon is taking that feature away. That is why people are upset. You also can't compare ad block to shoplifting. Ad block isn't against the law. If the community supports a streamer there are many ways to do it without subjecting yourself to intrusive, annoying, and in some cases malicious ads.

[Eaglerino]

4 hours ago, Commodus said:

Can we stop suggesting that people screw over Twitch streamers by running ad blockers, please?  I know you want to stick it to Amazon, but you're hurting everyday people who in many cases are barely making a decent living by streaming.    And they're not about to switch to Mixer just because you can't stand a 30-second promo.

It's not really anybody else's problem but their own they decided to choose an unreliable and volatile method of making money

[spartaman64]

im guessing this just applies to ads that streamers choose to play during their broadcasts and isnt those ads that play every time you go into a stream. if thats the case then i dont really have a problem with it. usually streamers play those ads when they take a water break or some other time when nothing is happening and i dont mind watching an ad at that time because it doesnt affect me and helps the streamer. if a streamer abuses it then they are probably the type of streamer i dont want to watch anyways

[Pyrii]

3 hours ago, Commodus said:

5 hours ago, Razor Blade said:

If I am paying for a premium service that promises not to serve me ads then later decides to change the service to serve me ads anyway, that is unacceptable IMO. Whether it is people sick and tired of ads using ad block, or people sick and tired of the ads deciding to no longer consume content of that platform...the only losing party is the content creator.

You can certainly find that unacceptable -- just don't insist that you have a right to watch without ads.  It's like stealing from a store because they stopped giving something away as a freebie with your purchase.  Losing the freebie sucks, but you aren't entitled to steal it just because you 'feel' it should be free.

Except it was a service that people paid for. Getting prime was for many people to remove ads so they could enjoy people's content WITHOUT interruptions. Many people subscribe for the same. This isn't a freebie on top of something, it's a service that people paid for and now they expect people to still pay while not getting that service.

[yolosnail]

4 hours ago, Commodus said:

You can certainly find that unacceptable -- just don't insist that you have a right to watch without ads.  It's like stealing from a store because they stopped giving something away as a freebie with your purchase.  Losing the freebie sucks, but you aren't entitled to steal it just because you 'feel' it should be free.

It's more along the lines of paying for Netflix because they don't have ads, then Netflix deciding that they're going to start adding ads in between shows and charging you the same

[suicidalfranco]

meh, I'm only there for the games, only show I watch are the warframe devstreams, once upon a time also the wan show, but they're always late and staying awake till 2AM waiting is tiresome. 

[Rupe]

The thing I hate the most is how they try and present it like they're doing for the creators and not because they personally want to generate more money for themselves. If they were more honest it would not bother me the way it does. Creators were getting loads of benefits anyways from all the twitch prime subs so it's clear that twitch is only doing this because they saw that they were personally not making as much money as they would like

[Doobeedoo]

Opera addblock ftw