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I'm planning a ryzen build,Ryzen 2600 & MSI B450 Pro Carbon to be paired with a GTX 1070 (already have the GPU for over a year) but I'm skeptical about the memory with all the ryzen not optimized for all types of memory stuff,and the fact that it scales very well with RAM speeds rather than its actual core speeds,so I was wondering what RAM should I pair it with this build, G-Skill Flare X seems very promising but very expensive at the moment and I thought I could do better off with the Corsair alternative.(in addition to my skepticism I looked these RAMs up on MSI to see if they are compatible and didn't even find them).I have provided links with the items bellow,thanks in advance.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0143UM4TC/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XFT7DF9/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3524NXHEICF06

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07F85YKLJ/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

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believe it or not, I picked up a single dimm of G.Skill value to upgrade someone with Ryzen, and they would upgrade later. However, while rated for only 2600,and generic AF with no heat spreader, I managed to crank it all the way to 2933, and with the black PCB, you can't go wrong.

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Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

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I've been using Corsair LPX 3000MHZ on a Ryzen 7 1800X since January 2018. The Ram runs at 3000mhz, no faster. I've never had any issues with the RAM. If I was to get ram over, I'd probably get the 3600mhz corsair ram. 

 

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-3600MHz-PC4-28800-Black/dp/B01AKWSUOU/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1534552367&sr=1-1&keywords=Corsair+Vengeance+LPX+3600

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Well this seems promising @fasauceome

,did you need to adjust the voltage so much though ? I just don't want to get stuck with a bad RAM since I'm buying from amazon and I'm not in America.

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5 minutes ago, Piemaker said:

Well this seems promising @fasauceome

,did you need to adjust the voltage so much though ? I just don't want to get stuck with a bad RAM since I'm buying from amazon and I'm not in America.

actually it was incredibly easy to get it to that speed. I've not necessarily heard of silicon lottery for RAM, but i guess your mileage may vary? I got if from Amazon as well, so no worries there.

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

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Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

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@fasauceome hehee :D that's really cool,I know the whole RAM thing isn't that much of a hot topic but I have been stuck with a bottleneck situation for so long I want this build to be perfect.

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If you want to find something with the highest likelihood of working well then you want to find a kit made of Samsung b-die memory chips. A quick rule-of-thumb in identifying a b-die kit is to find ram where all the teen numbers match. Something that would look like 14-14-14, 15-15-15, 16-16-16. Those kits cost more but they yield the best results. You can find cheaper kits with higher timings, but higher speeds with higher timings may not out perform a kit with slightly lower speed and tighter timings. 

 

 

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when i upgraded to my Ryzen 1500x/Asus B350 last year i used the G-Skill  DDR4 2133 non XMP memory from my i3 6100 it took a couple bios updates but i am able to OC to 3200 WITH 1.35v no problem but i keep at 2666 15 15 15 30 45  1.2v because i don't see any performance increase in games above that. 

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I've ran a 1800x on a x370 since March on release and recently built a 2600 system on a B450 chipset.  I can boot the System on 2400 c10 Corsair memory that my x370 will never boot on.  

I can honestly say the memory controller on the 2600 was a pretty good improvement. with a lot more leniency.

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4 hours ago, nick name said:

If you want to find something with the highest likelihood of working well then you want to find a kit made of Samsung b-die memory chips. A quick rule-of-thumb in identifying a b-die kit is to find ram where all the teen numbers match. Something that would look like 14-14-14, 15-15-15, 16-16-16. Those kits cost more but they yield the best results. You can find cheaper kits with higher timings, but higher speeds with higher timings may not out perform a kit with slightly lower speed and tighter timings. 

 

 

https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/

 

This site is really awesome,
going through the site and some research those three seem very good:
Trident Z   Ribjaws   Corsair
tell me what you think.

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1 hour ago, Evanair said:

I've ran a 1800x on a x370 since March on release and recently built a 2600 system on a B450 chipset.  I can boot the System on 2400 c10 Corsair memory that my x370 will never boot on.  

I can honestly say the memory controller on the 2600 was a pretty good improvement. with a lot more leniency.

This is very good news :) , would you recommend a certain RAM for the time being ?

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8 hours ago, Piemaker said:

This site is really awesome,
going through the site and some research those three seem very good:
Trident Z   Ribjaws   Corsair
tell me what you think.

I don't think any of those kits are Samsung b-die kits, but I would bet they will all run at their advertised speed and timings. The two G.SKILL kits are probably Hynix memory chips and the Corsair didn't list its timings so you will have to cross check against the b-die finder site.

 

Before I had a Samsung b-die kit I used a TridentZ Hynix kit and it ran without any problems so that RGB kit shouldn't be a problem. Samsung b-die kits are going to cost you a little more for the same speeds, but they have greater potential for overclocking. 

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5 hours ago, nick name said:

I don't think any of those kits are Samsung b-die kits, but I would bet they will all run at their advertised speed and timings. The two G.SKILL kits are probably Hynix memory chips and the Corsair didn't list its timings so you will have to cross check against the b-die finder site.

 

Before I had a Samsung b-die kit I used a TridentZ Hynix kit and it ran without any problems so that RGB kit shouldn't be a problem. Samsung b-die kits are going to cost you a little more for the same speeds, but they have greater potential for overclocking. 

Appreciate your information,thank you.

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I have 2 kits GSkill FlareX running straight outta the box at 3200MHz and the other is a GSkill Ripjaw 3200MHz kit but could only get them running at 2933MHz Ryzen's sweet spot seems to be 3200MHz I did get the flareX kit running higher but not stable although I really didn't work hard to try and get it there

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1 hour ago, mrbilky said:

I have 2 kits GSkill FlareX running straight outta the box at 3200MHz and the other is a GSkill Ripjaw 3200MHz kit but could only get them running at 2933MHz Ryzen's sweet spot seems to be 3200MHz I did get the flareX kit running higher but not stable although I really didn't work hard to try and get it there

As long as it's close to 3000Hz I would be satisfied, I don't think 200Hz would make a big difference,a big under-clock is what I fear might happen.

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40 minutes ago, Piemaker said:

As long as it's close to 3000Hz I would be satisfied, I don't think 200Hz would make a big difference,a big under-clock is what I fear might happen.

I don't think you'll have any problem getting 3200MHz up and running. On the lesser Hynix kit I first used I got it to run stable at 3466MHz with little effort. 

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24 minutes ago, nick name said:

I don't think you'll have any problem getting 3200MHz up and running. On the lesser Hynix kit I first used I got it to run stable at 3466MHz with little effort. 

I think I will go with the Trident Z Sticks,they seem more stable than corsair and look better too.

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They make those TridentZ RGB in Samsung b-die, but cost about $30-$50 more. In the event you think you will want to overclock your RAM. I will warn you, though, it can be very veerrrrrry time consuming. 

 

Edit:

Actually they are $60 more, but are 3200MHz 14-14-14-34 instead of 3200MHz 16-18-18-38

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232485&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker, LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

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11 hours ago, Piemaker said:

As long as it's close to 3000Hz I would be satisfied, I don't think 200Hz would make a big difference,a big under-clock is what I fear might happen.

Well thats now how my experience went with both my rigs I was getting large bumps in CPUZ going incrementally from where I started to eventually 3200MHz after that the gain dropped off that is why I never pushed beyond that

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My technology Rig: The wizard: OS Windows 10 home edition / CPU Ryzen R7 1800x 3.95MHz / Corsair H110i / PSU Thermaltake Toughpower 750watt / ASUS CH 6 / Gskill Flare X 32GB DDR4 3200Mhz / HP 10GB Single Port Mellanox Connectx-2 PCI-E 10GBe NIC / 512GB 960 pro M.2 / ASUS GeForce GTX 1080 STRIX 8GB / Acer - H236HLbid 23.0" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor HP Monitor

 

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22 hours ago, nick name said:

They make those TridentZ RGB in Samsung b-die, but cost about $30-$50 more. In the event you think you will want to overclock your RAM. I will warn you, though, it can be very veerrrrrry time consuming. 

 

Edit:

Actually they are $60 more, but are 3200MHz 14-14-14-34 instead of 3200MHz 16-18-18-38

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232485&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker, LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

Cas 16 seems more affordable, if it works 3200Hz out of the box that's exactly what I want,no need to invest too much in RAM with a ryzen 2600,what's keeping me now is the MOBO it's out of stock -_-.

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13 hours ago, mrbilky said:

Well thats now how my experience went with both my rigs I was getting large bumps in CPUZ going incrementally from where I started to eventually 3200MHz after that the gain dropped off that is why I never pushed beyond that

Even with your Flare X ! :o I thought those were the best out there !

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10 hours ago, Piemaker said:

Even with your Flare X ! :o I thought those were the best out there !

No the FlareX was great and stable but I tried with the RipJaw on both rigs to see if it was a mobo compatibility issue but the flareX I did try to go further than 3200MHz but the gain was negligible but was also unstable never got around to messing with it any further

My daily driver: The Wrath of Red: OS Windows 10 home edition / CPU Ryzen TR4 1950x 3.85GHz / Cooler Master MasterAir MA621P Twin-Tower RGB CPU Air Cooler / PSU Thermaltake Toughpower 750watt / ASRock x399 Taichi / Gskill Flare X 32GB DDR4 3200Mhz / HP 10GB Single Port Mellanox Connectx-2 PCI-E 10GBe NIC / Samsung 512GB 970 pro M.2 / ASUS GeForce GTX 1080 STRIX 8GB / Acer - H236HLbid 23.0" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor x3

 

My technology Rig: The wizard: OS Windows 10 home edition / CPU Ryzen R7 1800x 3.95MHz / Corsair H110i / PSU Thermaltake Toughpower 750watt / ASUS CH 6 / Gskill Flare X 32GB DDR4 3200Mhz / HP 10GB Single Port Mellanox Connectx-2 PCI-E 10GBe NIC / 512GB 960 pro M.2 / ASUS GeForce GTX 1080 STRIX 8GB / Acer - H236HLbid 23.0" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor HP Monitor

 

My I don't use RigOS Windows 10 home edition / CPU Ryzen 1600x 3.85GHz / Cooler Master MasterAir MA620P Twin-Tower RGB CPU Air Cooler / PSU Thermaltake Toughpower 750watt / MSI x370 Gaming Pro Carbon / Gskill Flare X 32GB DDR4 3200Mhz / Samsung PM961 256GB M.2 PCIe Internal SSDEVGA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti SSC GAMING / Acer - H236HLbid 23.0" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor

 

My NAS: The storage miser: OS unRAID v. 6.9.0-beta25 / CPU Intel i7 6700 / Cooler Master MasterWatt Lite 500 Watt 80 Plus / ASUS Maximus viii Hero / 32GB Gskill RipJaw DDR4 3200Mhz / HP Mellanox ConnectX-2 10 GbE PCI-e G2 Dual SFP+ Ported Ethernet HCA NIC / 9 Drives total 29TB - 1 4TB seagate parity - 7 4TB WD Red data - 1 1TB laptop drive data - and 2 240GB Sandisk SSD's cache / Headless

 

Why did I buy this server: OS unRAID v. 6.9.0-beta25 / Dell R710 enterprise server with dual xeon E5530 / 48GB ecc ddr3 / Dell H310 6Gbps SAS HBA w/ LSI 9211-8i P20 IT / 4 450GB sas drives / headless

 

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