Rumor: Intel has 14nm+++ CPUs on the way

[Taf the Ghost]

Well, this is a little random, but it's from a legitimate source, so...

 

https://twitter.com/Ashraf__Eassa/status/1029339603713581056

 

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I am told by Intel that Cascade Lake has "process enhancements beyond 14nm++ as well as design and architectural changes." This tells me that Cascade Lake-X in 2Q 2019 will be a monster clocker.

And thus the fabled Intel 14nm process gets another + after it. That makes 14nm+++. There was a rumor late last year that Whiskey Lake, the lower power part, would be on 14nm+++, so it does look like there will be another improvement cycle to the 14nm node. 

 

Cascade Lake is the next server release from Intel. It was scheduled for 14nm++, the same node as Coffee Lake, but it appears it has gotten even further enhancements from that. Cascade Lake-X will replace the Skylake-X line. 

 

Edit: Lenovo comes in for the confirmation. https://www.lenovo.com/gb/en/faqs/pc-life-faqs/intel-whiskey-lake-and-cascade-lake-processors/

 

My Thoughts:

 

For as much of a disaster that 10nm has been for Intel to get out the door, their 14nm node is the "Little Node That Could". Makes for a harsh comparison between 14nm, which is reaching Legendary status, and 10nm that still isn't out the door and 3 years late.

 

Edit 2:

 

It gets worse.

 

https://twitter.com/Ashraf__Eassa/status/1029440772213563393

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Cooper Lake will be built on a 14nm that’s further enhanced from what’s being used in Cascade Lake. So, I guess, 14++++

All of the jokes about the + on the end of 14nm are going to get worse.

[Taf the Ghost]

Oh, and apparently X599 is going to be the A-series (the up to 28-core server parts) chipset name. That one doesn't have a well-known source attached, but the chipset naming wars might be kicking off again in a few months.

[DrMacintosh]

[WereCat]

What does the "+" even mean? 

 

Higher density, better yields, higher quality, lower power consumption,...? 

[The Benjamins]

3 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Oh, and apparently X599 is going to be the A-series (the up to 28-core server parts) chipset name. That one doesn't have a well-known source attached, but the chipset naming wars might be kicking off again in a few months.

will it have the bigger socket?

and will all x599 use the big socket?

[Froody129]

So all the jokers who were going "can't wait for 14nm++++++++" were right...

[xentropa]

Meanwhile TSMC has their 7nm out (intel 10nm equivalent).  If AMD ditches  Glofo and goes full TSMC, the I am going to have to say goodbye to intel and its been a good 13 years that I swore to only use their products.

[Taf the Ghost]

Just now, The Benjamins said:

will it have the bigger socket?

and will all x599 use the big socket?

It's the LGA3459 socket parts. They'll be called the A-Series, and, apparently, X599 is the name of the chipset/motherboard. The X599 part is running around the rumor mill, but I can't nail down its origin. 

[Taf the Ghost]

2 minutes ago, Froody129 said:

So all the jokers who were going "can't wait for 14nm++++++++" were right...

Pretty much.

1 minute ago, xentropa said:

Meanwhile TSMC has their 7nm out (intel 10nm equivalent).  If AMD ditches  Glofo and goes full TSMC, the I am going to have to say goodbye to intel and its been a good 13 years that I swore to only use their products.

AMD will use both. AMD's agreements with GloFo means they'll producing at least most of their GPUs and APUs on their nodes for now.

[Guest]

Is the A-Series going to replace the HEDT/Extreme Edition line or is it another series entirely?

 

(Seeing that they are stepping a bit on their HEDT chipset naming scheme)

[Taf the Ghost]

Just now, Warrie said:

Is the A-Series going to replace the HEDT/Extreme Edition line or is it another series entirely?

X-series is up to 18 cores on HEDT. A-Series should be 20 to 28 cores for HEDT. It's a level above the X-series.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

X-series is up to 18 cores on HEDT. A-Series should be 20 to 28 cores for HEDT. It's a level above the X-series.

Bloody high core count!

 

Can't wait to see what Intel will bring to the table with Coffee Lake-X.

[Taf the Ghost]

Just now, Warrie said:

Bloody high core count!

 

Can't wait to see what Intel will bring to the table with Coffee Lake-X.

Probably 20 cores, but likely about 15% lower power draw in the 4 Ghz all-core range. Skylake-X is on the 14nm+ process node, I believe, which can clock into the high 4 Ghz range but eats a lot of power there.

[Fasauceome]

7 minutes ago, xentropa said:

Meanwhile TSMC has their 7nm out (intel 10nm equivalent).  If AMD ditches  Glofo and goes full TSMC, the I am going to have to say goodbye to intel and its been a good 13 years that I swore to only use their products.

Swearing to brand loyalty for all time seems a bit silly, since the industry doesn't stay one way forever. What if you needed a heavily multithreaded processor?

[The Benjamins]

9 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

It's the LGA3459 socket parts. They'll be called the A-Series, and, apparently, X599 is the name of the chipset/motherboard. The X599 part is running around the rumor mill, but I can't nail down its origin. 

Here come the BIG sockets, say goodbye to ITX HEDT.

[williamcll]

Too bad most applications still rely on less than 4 threads. Especially non-AAA games.

[Taf the Ghost]

Just now, The Benjamins said:

Here come the BIG sockets, say goodbye to ITX HEDT.

The A-Series leaves the realm of "High-End Desktop" to "smallest box we could shove a server into". SBWCSASI doesn't work quite as well.

 

Maybe, "Please buy our spare SP dies we couldn't sell because the TCO is pretty bad."

[Fasauceome]

1 minute ago, The Benjamins said:

Here come the BIG sockets, say goodbye to ITX HEDT.

Now coming to pico-itx, intel's highest end xeon! Enjoy the chocolate chip sized graphics card that goes in this form factor, as well as the superb lack of fan headers. Maybe you'll have room for internal storage, maybe not.

[Deli]

3 minutes ago, williamcll said:

Too bad most applications still rely on less than 4 threads.

More core is the way forward. It's up to the software developers to design their softwares capable of utilizing more than 4 threads.

[Taf the Ghost]

Just now, Deli said:

More cores is the way forward. It's up to the software developers to design their softwares capable of utilizing more than 4 threads.

First, we need to get Windows to handle it. This is the 3rd time we'll get Windows Scheduler updates and a round of program updates for professional use to handle the different Topology of AMD's parts. In the last year.

[DrMacintosh]

3 minutes ago, williamcll said:

Too bad most applications still rely on less than 4 threads. Especially non-AAA games.

Then it’s going to suck to be Intel being forced to respond and dumping all this money into figuring out how to make their chips more like AMDs. 

[S w a t s o n]

Oh good so Intel is finally slowly accepting they gonna be stuck on nodes forever now. More pluses is more better

Just waiting to see this come true.

 

 

[Taf the Ghost]

6 minutes ago, Swatson said:

Oh good so Intel is finally slowly accepting they gonna be stuck on nodes forever now. More pluses is more better

Just waiting to see this come true.

 

 

Seems like GAAFet is where we're likely to get stuck for a while in the 3nm node space.

[Nicnac]

38 minutes ago, WereCat said:

What does the "+" even mean? 

 

Higher density, better yields, higher quality, lower power consumption,...? 

It means nothing new yet guys but heres something that looks like progress

 

[InertiaSelling]

Tick - tock - tock - tock - tock - tock - tock - tock - tock ...

 

- Intel