The Workstation of the Future is HERE! - Threadripper 2nd Gen

[Emily Young]

Threadripper 2 is NOT the future… It’s here TODAY. AMD has brought high core counts into the mainstream, and there isn’t an end in sight. Have we entered a new golden age of computing?

 

 

Buy an AMD Threadripper 2990WX:
On Amazon: http://geni.us/2LyBVuF
On Newegg: http://geni.us/F1Eq0

 

Buy an ASUS ROG Zenith Extreme:
On Amazon: http://geni.us/OhCsVN
On Newegg: http://geni.us/wjJBD0

[WereCatf]

I need to find me a sugardaddy ASAP.

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

activate your Windows... first thing i noticed in the intro  

[Zando_]

tfw you left your headphones at home so you can't watch the review... 

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, VegetableStu said:

THE WORLD HAS TO KNOW. 100% VOLUME YOUR PHOEN

But... I'm on a 27" iMac at work... I doubt the entire office wants to hear the video too. 

[Zando_]

Just now, VegetableStu said:

emergency meeting!!

 

(okay I'm being a bit too high from the review unbargo ._. going for a self-imposed timeout now)

Time to convince my bosses that we need a 32c/64t CPU in my PC for uh... faster spreadsheet doing. 

[Egg-Roll]

The opening was so bad it was funny...

 

34 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Time to convince my bosses that we need a 32c/64t CPU in my PC for uh... faster spreadsheet doing. 

If you manage that, ask for them to double down on your raise too.

[jtsoi]

I hope this doesn't end up like the Athlon 64 where AMD was the 1st to release a 64 bit CPU and then Intel went meh. Then a few years later release the Core 2 series and curb stomped all over AMD. But I think once Intel irons out the issues with its 10nm process and EUV it'd probably be rushing ahead again. One thing I wish AMD would do instead on ThreadRipper is instead of multiple dies glued onto a single chip was to engineer a single die on a single chip. To me I feel AMD took the lazy way out doing it this way.

[just_dave]

@GabenJr

I think the overclocked 2990WX performance was held back by overheating VRM on the Zenith Extreme.

It's not powerful enough to power overclocked 32 core (probably 24 core too) while staying at reasonable temperature.

It could throttle back the CPU performance to stay at the 105°C (i think thats the throttle point for Asus boards).

The little fan kit that Asus supplies is useless, the aluminium brick instead of a heatsink doesn't really care about the small fan.

Overclocking should be tested on the MSI Creation board which has VRM powerful enough to not melt under overclocked 32c.

[AngryBeaver]

1 hour ago, VegetableStu said:

that chip would be BIG. and SUPER EXPENSIVE. and HIGHER CHANCE of yield problems o_o

 

(big like bigger than the 7980XE big)

I much prefer the look and setup of the Intel chips. I also have a feeling in the end that the 28core is going to be the better chip. Better ST, and after overclocking better hyper-threading... I mean it isn't hard to make up for 4 cores when you have 300-400 more Mhz on the other 28. That being said even AMD themselves say the 2990WX is ONLY UP TO 51% faster than the 7980xe (18 core) It should have 77% of the performance of it if it actually scaled correctly core for core.

 

So stock the 32 core is at 3.4 ghz all core boost for a total theoretical compute power of 108.8 Ghz.

 

The 28 core intel's boost for all cores is 4ghz which downclocks further to 3.6ghz under AVX loads.

 

So a 28 core with 4ghz all core boost comes in at 112 ghz total compute power. That is going stock for stock.  Which means the all core boost stock capabilities still over the threadripper multi-thread.

 

So ultimately the price to performance ratio for AMD is better than intel, but here is something people forget. If you are in a circumstance where you NEED these cpu's and do this type of stuff for business... Then even if you pay twice as much for an intel cpu you will still come out ahead. That is because if you get more productivity from the intel chip you can do more in a given amount of time which has a increase in your profit differential. So you will eventually pay yourself back in a year or less and then everything after that is a pure win in profit over the amd solution.

 

[Streetguru]

5 hours ago, GabenJr said:

 

I was expecting LTT of all people to do some crazy ultra megatasking tesing

Rendering 4K with Premiere, while encoding with handbrake, while streaming to twitch or something.

[HimymCZe]

Quote

Old Linus came from a wolrd where Core2 and Phenom x4 quad-core processors ... and in 10 years since then the situation changed a lot.

Shame you COULDN'T say that 12 months ago before Ryzen hit the market.
... did not upgrade my Q9550 for another quad-core past years
... after ~11years will buy i9-9900k in october
... and then continue be a salty fa**ot for another 11years

[AnonymousGuy]

2 hours ago, VegetableStu said:

that chip would be BIG. and SUPER EXPENSIVE. and HIGHER CHANCE of yield problems o_o

 

(big like bigger than the 7980XE big)

 

That's cute except AMD needs to show that their "actual" space occupied is probably 4x as much since it's 4 discrete chips on substrate.  This bullshit image implies it's a monolithic die, when it isn't.  And rehashing an old argument, but if you run Epyc dual socket you start getting into like 16 NUMA domains or some shit with the CCX's x2 x4 chips x2 sockets.

[AngryBeaver]

Also one thing I am curious to see more tests on is the fact that 16 of the 32 cores on the threadripper are unable to communicate with the PCIe bus and memory. All the cores can communicate with each other... so I guess in theory they can access those items, but it will be passed on from the other 16 cores to those cores? How is that going to affect latency and performance moving forward.

 

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The 2990WX, though, is slightly different. While all dies can still communicate with each other, the two extra dies and 16 of the total 32 cores, cannot directly access the PCIe bus and memory.

The above is from https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2018/08/13/amd-32-core-threadripper-2990wx-and-16-core-2950x-reviews-most-powerful-ever-desktop-processors/#3884e6247049

[jtsoi]

1 hour ago, AngryBeaver said:

I much prefer the look and setup of the Intel chips. I also have a feeling in the end that the 28core is going to be the better chip. Better ST, and after overclocking better hyper-threading... I mean it isn't hard to make up for 4 cores when you have 300-400 more Mhz on the other 28. That being said even AMD themselves say the 2990WX is ONLY UP TO 51% faster than the 7980xe (18 core) It should have 77% of the performance of it if it actually scaled correctly core for core.

 

So stock the 32 core is at 3.4 ghz all core boost for a total theoretical compute power of 108.8 Ghz.

 

The 28 core intel's boost for all cores is 4ghz which downclocks further to 3.6ghz under AVX loads.

 

So a 28 core with 4ghz all core boost comes in at 112 ghz total compute power. That is going stock for stock.  Which means the all core boost stock capabilities still over the threadripper multi-thread.

 

So ultimately the price to performance ratio for AMD is better than intel, but here is something people forget. If you are in a circumstance where you NEED these cpu's and do this type of stuff for business... Then even if you pay twice as much for an intel cpu you will still come out ahead. That is because if you get more productivity from the intel chip you can do more in a given amount of time which has a increase in your profit differential. So you will eventually pay yourself back in a year or less and then everything after that is a pure win in profit over the amd solution.

 

 

Also the way I look at it, ThreadRipper is essentially 2 Processors combined to fit a single socket. So I would like to see how well a ThreadRipper compares to Dual Proccessor Xeon equivalent. Since Windows 10 Pro does support multi processors I wonder how that will stack to a Threadripper for the high end workstations.

[Nicnac]

Aw hell ya

[AngryBeaver]

40 minutes ago, jtsoi said:

 

Also the way I look at it, ThreadRipper is essentially 2 Processors combined to fit a single socket. So I would like to see how well a ThreadRipper compares to Dual Proccessor Xeon equivalent. Since Windows 10 Pro does support multi processors I wonder how that will stack to a Threadripper for the high end workstations.

That is pretty straight forward. It wouldn't, but it would be a much more affordable option too. So threadripper would be cheaper, dual xeons faster.

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

tfw you were thinking about getting a 1950X

[MadDuke]

5 hours ago, jtsoi said:

 

Also the way I look at it, ThreadRipper is essentially 2 Processors combined to fit a single socket. So I would like to see how well a ThreadRipper compares to Dual Proccessor Xeon equivalent. Since Windows 10 Pro does support multi processors I wonder how that will stack to a Threadripper for the high end workstations.

 

I don't get this train of thought one bit?  Then TR is actually 4 CPUs right?        

Also, mentionening Xeons?  You do realize that dual CPU Epyc motherboards actually cost in the same ballpark as X399.  You actually can build a dual 32C64T beast for 5.000 USD then. 

 

The "million" dollar question is how much will the Intel offering cost (not to cannibalize their Xeon market) and also.  Seeing that the 7980XE is helluva more thermally challenged how it will scale to 28 cores in reality.  

 

I use a couple of R7 1700 PCs and V-Ray which distributes the loads over the network to them.  For this. This 32C beast would be money well spent actually (and I don't care 1 percent about other use cases). 

 

My only mistake was thinking that they will save the 32C chip for 7nm next year.  So I will probably wait for ~Black Friday / Cyber Monday this year and jump at least the platform gun. 

[AngryBeaver]

55 minutes ago, MadDuke said:

 

I don't get this train of thought one bit?  Then TR is actually 4 CPUs right?        

Also, mentionening Xeons?  You do realize that dual CPU Epyc motherboards actually cost in the same ballpark as X399.  You actually can build a dual 32C64T beast for 5.000 USD then. 

 

The "million" dollar question is how much will the Intel offering cost (not to cannibalize their Xeon market) and also.  Seeing that the 7980XE is helluva more thermally challenged how it will scale to 28 cores in reality.  

 

I use a couple of R7 1700 PCs and V-Ray which distributes the loads over the network to them.  For this. This 32C beast would be money well spent actually (and I don't care 1 percent about other use cases). 

 

My only mistake was thinking that they will save the 32C chip for 7nm next year.  So I will probably wait for ~Black Friday / Cyber Monday this year and jump at least the platform gun. 

I wouldn't be surprised to see intel rush out the 10nm process earlier than expected. Their current problem is just low yields currently so they are trying to refine the process to get cost down. That being said if they can dedicate the man power they might make a breakthrough because we all know the numbers they give are just estimates. A 10nm die shrink would drop their power consumptions, give them more OC headroom (yay 5.5ghz+ oc's?), increase stock and turbo boosts, provide them more space for additional cores, and lastly reduce thermal output.

 

I mean even as it is now the stock intel 28 core vs stock 32 core threadripper 2... the intel comes out ahead in both single and multi-threaded tasks. The win here for AMD is going to be the price point. I full expect the intel 28 core to be 2999 or 3499. That being said it would still be a steal for what you get. 

[jtsoi]

4 hours ago, MadDuke said:

 

I don't get this train of thought one bit?  Then TR is actually 4 CPUs right?        

Also, mentionening Xeons?  You do realize that dual CPU Epyc motherboards actually cost in the same ballpark as X399.  You actually can build a dual 32C64T beast for 5.000 USD then. 

 

The "million" dollar question is how much will the Intel offering cost (not to cannibalize their Xeon market) and also.  Seeing that the 7980XE is helluva more thermally challenged how it will scale to 28 cores in reality.  

 

I use a couple of R7 1700 PCs and V-Ray which distributes the loads over the network to them.  For this. This 32C beast would be money well spent actually (and I don't care 1 percent about other use cases). 

 

My only mistake was thinking that they will save the 32C chip for 7nm next year.  So I will probably wait for ~Black Friday / Cyber Monday this year and jump at least the platform gun. 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but I read that AMD essentially took 2x Ryzen 7 chips interconnected the two with their infinity fabric and combined everything into single socket and branded the whole thing ThreadRipper. That's how they managed to get the higher advertised PCI lane counts since each chip provides half the lanes for the total count, like what be achieved in multi-processor system. So if you look at it this way, Threadripper is essentially 2 CPUs in a single socket form factor. I would like to see how this would compare to a 2x Xeon setup in terms of cost to performance and productivity. Sorta like was featured in Scrapyard Wars 7, Linus built a system that was over twice as expensive as Luke but price to performance was almost the same so if also take into account the ROI in terms of productivity gained from the higher performance system and productivity you can get out of the higher cost system you will may make it all back and them some over the life of that system compared to cheaper one. I'm pretty sure Linus has enough Xeon on his shelf to build a MP workstations with a similar core count to do the testing. If not, he could probably convince Intel to send him a couple to do the testing.

[Gattis]

8 gamers 1 CPU is finally a reality on a consumer chip with two dummy dies. You guys should build an epic server when they ship EPYC 2.

 

64 cores and 128 threads. Per socket.

[Quadriplegic]

On 2018-08-14 at 9:37 AM, jtsoi said:

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but I read that AMD essentially took 2x Ryzen 7 chips interconnected the two with their infinity fabric and combined everything into single socket and branded the whole thing ThreadRipper. That's how they managed to get the higher advertised PCI lane counts since each chip provides half the lanes for the total count, like what be achieved in multi-processor system. So if you look at it this way, Threadripper is essentially 2 CPUs in a single socket form factor. I would like to see how this would compare to a 2x Xeon setup in terms of cost to performance and productivity. Sorta like was featured in Scrapyard Wars 7, Linus built a system that was over twice as expensive as Luke but price to performance was almost the same so if also take into account the ROI in terms of productivity gained from the higher performance system and productivity you can get out of the higher cost system you will may make it all back and them some over the life of that system compared to cheaper one. I'm pretty sure Linus has enough Xeon on his shelf to build a MP workstations with a similar core count to do the testing. If not, he could probably convince Intel to send him a couple to do the testing.

And Ryzen 7 is basically 2x Ryzen 3 chips glued together, if I remember right. That's the advantage of their Infinity Fabric.

[AlicePA1979]

this is a cool idea but not practical in life, at least yet. i see someday in the future need a chip like this though. i find it funny that Intel's answer to AMD's Threadripper v1 was a i9 with 2 more cores. now AMD's threadripper v2 cost the same as the Intel i9 but blows it out of the water. but i very curious how blue and red will battle this out. nice thing is these battles improve products for consumers with a lot better pricing if only one company was making high end chips. so with the two trying to out do each other the consumer wins.

[snapdragom]

any planned videos for threadripper 2 + RTX 2080 Ti ?