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Popular ROM site Emuparadise, known for being a safe way to get ROMs since 2000, now removed all downloadable ROMs in fears of 'disastrous consequences'. 

 

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Today, EmuParadise, a longstanding emulation hub around since 2000, announced that it will no longer host ROMs on its site because it is not worth risking the "potentially disastrous consequences."

 

"Many of you are aware that the situation with regards to emulation sites has been changing recently," site founder MasJ said in a statement. "What you probably don't know is that we at EmuParadise have been dealing with similar issues for all 18 years of our existence. From receiving threatening letters in the early days to our hosts suddenly shutting down our servers due to complaints, we've seen it all. We've always complied with takedown requests but as you can see, that is no guarantee of anything." 

 

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Thus, we have decided to make a new start. We will continue to be passionate retro gamers and will keep doing cool stuff around retro games. But you won't be able to get your games from here for now. Where we go with this is up to us and up to you.

 

We'll still have our emulators database, the community, and everything that comes along with that.

 

We have already made several plans of what is going to happen next. It's going to be a fun new beginning and there's going to be lots to come! We'd also love to hear from you in the comments about what you think we should do. But for now, we need to make this change. We've served the community for 18 glorious years and it's been a hell of a ride!

founder MasJ is clear that they'll continue being the #1 emulation site, but he has strong doubts that they'll be a source of downloading games in the future

 

While they do not state Nintendo being the reason for this change, it is definitely a possibility. In addition the distribution and download of ROMs is technically illegal, they wouldn't want to risk trying in court. However, this is a huge blow to the emulation community, as Emuparadise has been a pretty easy and safe way to obtain ROMs for a long time. Such a loss of a source will mean a harder times for people to play and preserve their favorite games of old

 

edit: also sorry if this isn't appropriate, just thought it was interesting as it is showing up in tech news sites

 

Sources

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/emuparadise-stops-distributing-game-roms,37584.html

https://www.pcgamer.com/fearing-legal-action-emulation-hub-emuparadise-is-removing-all-its-roms/

https://www.emuparadise.me/emuparadise-changing.php

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This really is a stupid situation, the main reason emulation even exists is because of titles no longer available for purchase, and being able to play them when and how you want. IF nintendo would make their own pc virtual console they have their own money printing machine.

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Just now, suits said:

This really is a stupid situation, the main reason emulation even exists is because of titles no longer available for purchase, and being able to play them when and how you want. IF nintendo would make their own pc virtual console they have their own money printing machine.

^^^^

 

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1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

^^^^

 

"No you can't buy the games, but if you try and play them without paying us we'll sue you, but we won't let you pay us for them"

For sure, in reality this will not stop a single pirated game, and in reality it could lead to more piracy. Things like this, and pay walls for tv shows drive people to learn how to pirate, and once they pirate what they were originally looking for they aren't going to stop their, they are going to begin to pirate everything else. That's how this works. Companies complain about piracy and not making money, and their solutions almost always drive people to learn how to pirate...

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15 minutes ago, suits said:

For sure, in reality this will not stop a single pirated game, and in reality it could lead to more piracy. Things like this, and pay walls for tv shows drive people to learn how to pirate, and once they pirate what they were originally looking for they aren't going to stop their, they are going to begin to pirate everything else. That's how this works. Companies complain about piracy and not making money, and their solutions almost always drive people to learn how to pirate...

They could just offer all the older games for sale or as a mega bundle for $60 (say all the classics or something as one big pack), that'd be easy and safe, and people would buy that. But instead they like to make them unavailable, then complain when people make them available through other means. Pretty retarded but I guess companies just hate their old games now? 

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2 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

They could just offer all the older games for sale or as a mega bundle for $60 (say all the classics or something as one big pack), that'd be easy and safe, and people would buy that. But instead they like to make them unavailable, then complain when people make them available through other means. Pretty retarded but I guess companies just hate their old games now? 

A dollar. Just charge a dollar. Charge $50 or $60 for the official emulator (Game Boy to GBC; GBA to DS; NES to SNES; N64; GameCube; Wii to WiiU).

 

I GUARANTEE that I will put down at least a few hundred the day of release. Hell, without the games I would put down $300 just for the emulation software.

 

Protecting your IP is one thing, but denying access to something that is no longer produced is another. That's my opinion. 

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13 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

A dollar. Just charge a dollar. Charge $50 or $60 for the official emulator (Game Boy to GBC; GBA to DS; NES to SNES; N64; GameCube; Wii to WiiU).

 

I GUARANTEE that I will put down at least a few hundred the day of release. Hell, without the games I would put down $300 just for the emulation software.

 

Protecting your IP is one thing, but denying access to something that is no longer produced is another. That's my opinion. 

Yep. Kinda don't mind piracy in this instance. Like the only game I haven't paid for or gotten for free from some official means is the original Battlefront from 2004. Since you can't buy it any more (other than a second hand disc off eBay that I wouldn't trust), there's really no alternative other than downloading it when someone dumps it on the internet. If they'd just offer an official means to get the games, MOST people would buy them. I doubt there's that many actual hardcore pirates compared to the droves that would shower money on game devs if they released their favorite classics. I mean, GoG seems to do well and most of what they sell are classics or indie titles. 

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Sega released their Sega Mega Drive & Genesis Classics on Steam with 54 titles on it. Atari has Atari Vault with 100 titles, also on Steam. With the Genesis Classics I've replayed a lot of childhood games on it and could see myself revisiting them again later on. Why is it so hard for Nintendo? Or better question, why are they so dead set on their old ways?

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2 hours ago, Logarithm said:

Wow, that's pretty crap. What good alternatives are there?

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This will not bode well for the companies threatening ROM hosts. They have only fanned the flames. :| I will not be playing any more Nintendo DS games any time soon...

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The issue with Nintendo allowing this is the difficulties, legally speaking, Nintendo would face only taking down games that they currently support. In some countries, Nintendo only requesting the take down of certain titles that they currently support on their platforms. Because Nintendo do support SOME of their older titles on the 3DS for example, with titles such as the original Zelda and Castlevania.

 

Requesting that those two titles be removed from the ROM list, and only those two game be removed could be seen as Nintendo giving permission that all other ROMs can stay up. It's much simpler and cheaper for Nintendo to simply demand that every single ROM infringing on their intellectual property be taken down.

 

Also claiming that Nintendo does not support their older titles is pure hogwash. They have released legacy consoles such as the NES mini and the SNES mini, and they offer virtual console on the 3DS and the switch to my knowledge. They even finished up development of Star fox 2, which was cancelled in 1996 then released in 2017. It's just that Nintendo does not support their less successful legacy titles.

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tbh my Raspberry Pi full of many old games is rarely used. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, MMKing said:

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Also claiming that Nintendo does not support their older titles is pure hogwash. They have released legacy consoles such as the NES mini and the SNES mini, and they offer virtual console on the 3DS and the switch to my knowledge. They even finished up development of Star fox 2, which was cancelled in 1996 then released in 2017. It's just that Nintendo does not support their less successful legacy titles.

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The virtual console ports have been known to be notoriously bad ports of those games. The S/NES minis, while much better are not the most elegant way to address this. The obvious answer that's staring them in the face (and to some extent MS have demonstrated via BC etc) is a netflix-style subscription where the user can get access to the full library of S/NES titles - accurately emulated for a reasonable price. Nintendo are dropping the ball hard.

 

1:52:00 into this podcast does a great job explaining the situation

https://www.giantbomb.com/podcasts/the-giant-beastcast-episode-168/1600-2426/

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Wow, just fucking wow. WTF, Nintendo?! Since 2000 and 18 years later they start doing this??

I can see why Sony hates Nintendo and can't blame Sony.

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Something about the copyright holder's rights to let the medium die and be resurrected at their whim.. 

 

Idk if I read that right at Nintendo's website.

 

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8 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

Charge $50 or $60 for the official emulator (Game Boy to GBC; GBA to DS; NES to SNES; N64; GameCube; Wii to WiiU).

my issue there is that they will only release it for a system and never all the spots i currently have an emulator on:

psp

vita

3ds

pc

mac

ps3

wii

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4 hours ago, valdyrgramr said:

 

We're not supposed to aid in piracy.

You cant buy them so its hardly qialifies as piracy... ;)

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Nintendo is really backwards AF sometimes OH YEA we'll sue your ass for nearly 20 year old games. That we dont produce or put on our e-store cause our e-store is garbage and we dont care or wont place the games you love on our virtual console. 

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6 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

No, it does and you can buy them still.  It doesn't work that way.  A copyright is held for 75 years.  Pretty sure those games haven't been out that long.

Coming from someone who deals with a lot of copyrighted stuff, that 75 years fucking sucks and we can thank Disney for that.

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Just now, valdyrgramr said:

Even so, the consumer doesn't get to make the rules they just have to follow them.  The point is, if you don't want to get sued then do break the rules because companies like Nintendo, Disney, Fox, Hustler, and many others will likely sue the shit out of you.  Nintendo is going after people over ROMs there is actually a portion of their website's legal section dedicated to explaining why they do it and misconceptions about piracy and roms.

Yeah, as much as I vehemently disagree with the way copyright is handled in general, Nintendo has every right to go after Emuparadise.

I've always defended Nintendo on a legal basis here because, well, they legally can sue.

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9 hours ago, valdyrgramr said:

https://www.nintendo.com/corp/legal.jsp Since we're talking about it.  This actually disagrees from a legal standpoint against most of the silly arguments people make to justify ROMs and what not.  I get their argument, but again, they don't get to make the rules.  xD 

True and well said.

 

I do like my nintendo classic roms but if nintendo takes them away from rom sites or shuts the sites down, I do know that nintendo is just following their rules. Is it kind of stupid and should they release other "safe and reasonably priced" alternatives to those classic games? yes.

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On 8/10/2018 at 3:35 PM, Logarithm said:

Wow, that's pretty crap. What good alternatives are there?

Afaik we're not allowed to share any that we know of because of the community guidelines.

 

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11 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Considering the copyright holder deems it as piracy we are not allowed to assist in the crime.

That’s alright. I get my fames on itch.io.

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