Does this config make sense?

[Fabazo]

Hi there! Iv'e posted on a Swedish forum but no one is answering and I'm in some urgent need for advice since I have to order the parts within a week.

 

I'm getting my money back for my Alienware 15 r4, 24000kr or roughly 2678 USD (just take the price times 9 to get swedish price).

 

I'm building a rendering/3d modeling dekstop for my 3D courses for school that I will occasionally game on. I will be using programs such as Maya, 3ds max, premier, photoshop, texture painter, zbrush etc etc. I was thinking about ryzen 2700x for the increased cores but i'm still not sure. Here are 2 different builds that iv'e put together, one with intel and one with amd cpus. When looking at the two build don't factor in the GPU since i will be waiting for the 11series. I know the prices are in Swedish Kronor but i'm guessing you have the same parts in the US/Canada etc. 

 

What i want to know is if the MOBO's in each build makes sense for me. I want to do some light overclocking, eventually upgrade my SSD later on, and also put in another 16gb of more ram. Can both of my builds do that? And if theres anything else i should factor in when making a 3D work/gaming build? I'll also be using a 27inch 1440p monitor.

 

https://www.inet.se/produkt/b1020458/rendreringsdator

 

And the other one..

 

https://www.inet.se/produkt/b1020467/intel-build

 

Feel free to change all of the parts if you want, i'm up for suggestions. I want to get my as cheap as possible, so this is around the maximum I will go for my budget unless you can motivate me into spending more money ofcourse

 

Best regards!

 

 

[Phentos]

The Ryzen 2700X is much better off on an X470 board instead of B450. 8 core CPUs use a surprising amount of power, and X470 boards tend to have better power delivery circuitry that would better support the 2700X.

 

Also to note is that the 2700X, like all other Ryzen processors, is very reliant on RAM speeds. There will be a rather substantial difference in performance between a 2700X paired with 2666Mhz RAM vs a 2700X with 3200Mhz RAM. This is the case whether or not you overclock.

 

As for the Intel build, be aware that you cannot overclock an 8700K on a B360 board. Z370 is required for this. If you insist on sticking with B360 I would switch to the i7 8700 non-K variant. 

[MatteoX10]

2 minutes ago, Fabazo said:

Hi there! Iv'e posted on a Swedish forum but no one is answering and I'm in some urgent need for advice since I have to order the parts within a week.

 

I'm getting my money back for my Alienware 15 r4, 24000kr or roughly 2678 USD (just take the price times 9 to get swedish price).

 

I'm building a rendering/3d modeling dekstop for my 3D courses for school that I will occasionally game on. I will be using programs such as Maya, 3ds max, premier, photoshop, texture painter, zbrush etc etc. I was thinking about ryzen 2700x for the increased cores but i'm still not sure. Here are 2 different builds that iv'e put together, one with intel and one with amd cpus. When looking at the two build don't factor in the GPU since i will be waiting for the 11series. I know the prices are in Swedish Kronor but i'm guessing you have the same parts in the US/Canada etc. 

 

What i want to know is if the MOBO's in each build makes sense for me. I want to do some light overclocking, eventually upgrade my SSD later on, and also put in another 16gb of more ram. Can both of my builds do that? And if theres anything else i should factor in when making a 3D work/gaming build? I'll also be using a 27inch 1440p monitor.

 

https://www.inet.se/produkt/b1020458/rendreringsdator

 

And the other one..

 

https://www.inet.se/produkt/b1020467/intel-build

 

Feel free to change all of the parts if you want, i'm up for suggestions. I want to get my as cheap as possible, so this is around the maximum I will go for my budget unless you can motivate me into spending more money ofcourse

 

Best regards!

 

 

The intel build seems better for premiere and gaming because of the hardware acceleration and the higher clock speed since games at the moment don't benefit a lot from extra cores.

I'd choose the ryzen build because as I see gaming is not the primary objective for the build, and I suppose that 8 cores work better for rendering.

[Fabazo]

6 minutes ago, Phentos said:

The Ryzen 2700X is much better off on an X470 board instead of B450. 8 core CPUs use a surprising amount of power, and X470 boards tend to have better power delivery circuitry that would better support the 2700X.

 

Also to note is that the 2700X, like all other Ryzen processors, is very reliant on RAM speeds. There will be a rather substantial difference in performance between a 2700X paired with 2666Mhz RAM vs a 2700X with 3200Mhz RAM. This is the case whether or not you overclock.

 

As for the Intel build, be aware that you cannot overclock an 8700K on a B360 board. Z370 is required for this. If you insist on sticking with B360 I would switch to the i7 8700 non-K variant. 

And I thought I knew alot about computer parts.. Mobos seems so out of reach for the consumers in terms of actually knowing what they do. But thanks alot for the input, really appreciated!

[Fabazo]

7 minutes ago, MatteoX10 said:

The intel build seems better for premiere and gaming because of the hardware acceleration and the higher clock speed since games at the moment don't benefit a lot from extra cores.

I'd choose the ryzen build because as I see gaming is not the primary objective for the build, and I suppose that 8 cores work better for rendering.

Yeah I think i'll go for the AMD one. I don't have to spend extra money on a cooler aswell since it has a decent one in the box. Thanks!

[Phentos]

Just now, Fabazo said:

And I thought I knew alot about computer parts.. Mobos seems so out of reach for the consumers in terms of actually knowing what they do. But thanks alot for the input, really appreciated!

Heh. Considering dealing with computer parts forms a huge aspect about my job, I'd better know a lot about them.

 

Another concern about your 2700X build list is your case. The Meshify C like that in your Intel build list has better airflow than the Define S. Any reason why you switched?

[Altruist]

19 minutes ago, Fabazo said:

Hi there! Iv'e posted on a Swedish forum but no one is answering and I'm in some urgent need for advice since I have to order the parts within a week.

 

I'm getting my money back for my Alienware 15 r4, 24000kr or roughly 2678 USD (just take the price times 9 to get swedish price).

 

I'm building a rendering/3d modeling dekstop for my 3D courses for school that I will occasionally game on. I will be using programs such as Maya, 3ds max, premier, photoshop, texture painter, zbrush etc etc. I was thinking about ryzen 2700x for the increased cores but i'm still not sure. Here are 2 different builds that iv'e put together, one with intel and one with amd cpus. When looking at the two build don't factor in the GPU since i will be waiting for the 11series. I know the prices are in Swedish Kronor but i'm guessing you have the same parts in the US/Canada etc. 

 

What i want to know is if the MOBO's in each build makes sense for me. I want to do some light overclocking, eventually upgrade my SSD later on, and also put in another 16gb of more ram. Can both of my builds do that? And if theres anything else i should factor in when making a 3D work/gaming build? I'll also be using a 27inch 1440p monitor.

 

https://www.inet.se/produkt/b1020458/rendreringsdator

 

And the other one..

 

https://www.inet.se/produkt/b1020467/intel-build

 

Feel free to change all of the parts if you want, i'm up for suggestions. I want to get my as cheap as possible, so this is around the maximum I will go for my budget unless you can motivate me into spending more money ofcourse

 

Best regards!

 

 

The 8700k is way better then 1st gen ryzen cpu idk 

 

[chckovsky]

Both those machines are unreasonably expensive. You're paying someone to build it, no?

[Phentos]

Just now, Altruist said:

The 8700k is way better then 1st gen ryzen cpu idk 

Very enlightening post...

[Altruist]

Just now, Phentos said:

Very enlightening post...

sorry, if its wrong, linus seems to recommend a 8700k.

[Fabazo]

3 minutes ago, Phentos said:

Heh. Considering dealing with computer parts forms a huge aspect about my job, I'd better know a lot about them.

 

Another concern about your 2700X build list is your case. The Meshify C like that in your Intel build list has better airflow than the Define S. Any reason why you switched?

Not really! But I'll take your advice and go for the Meshify instead!  Do you have any idea what the length of the new 11series GPUs will be like? No reason to worry about it fitting into the chassi? 

[MatteoX10]

Just now, Fabazo said:

Not really! But I'll take your advice and go for the Meshify instead!  Do you have any idea what the length of the new 11series GPUs will be like? No reason to worry about it fitting into the chassi? 

I don't think they'll be a lot longer 

[Phentos]

Just now, Fabazo said:

Not really! But I'll take your advice and go for the Meshify instead!  Do you have any idea what the length of the new 11series GPUs will be like? No reason to worry about it fitting into the chassi? 

The Meshify C has a GPU length allowance of up to 315mm. This means it can fit all but the longest of triple fan cards. 

[Fabazo]

4 minutes ago, chckovsky said:

Both those machines are unreasonably expensive. You're paying someone to build it, no?

The price compared to where you live might be a bit different since we pay alot more taxes in Sweden, so they are quite normal for us here. 

 

Iv'e built 2 desktops before but for like 70 dollars I can get it built by the website i'm ordering it from.

 

 

[chckovsky]

Just now, Fabazo said:

The price compared to where you live might be a bit different since we pay alot more taxes in Sweden, so they are quite normal for us here. 

 

Iv'e built 2 desktops before but for like 70 dollars I can get it built by the website i'm ordering it from.

 

 

Yeah, Norway is worse I think. What sort of guarantees do you get with the builld?

I'm working on a build for you as we speak.

[Fabazo]

2 minutes ago, chckovsky said:

Yeah, Norway is worse I think. What sort of guarantees do you get with the builld?

I'm working on a build for you as we speak.

Inet is a very good website, i ordered my first dekstop there like 6 years ago. From what I can see they got 1 year warranty and support. But I don't know if each part has it's own warranty from the manufacturer. I've heard that PSUs usually has 3+ years in warranty. 

 

And regarding the price. I picked out components based on brands that i already know about. I don't HAVE to go for a samsung ssd, but I have had it before so that's my reasoning behind some of the parts. I could go with cheaper parts, as long as they perform the same as the other ones.

 

Thanks, i'll take a look at what you had in mind!  

[chckovsky]

You know, this configurator sucks, the limitations it sets are ridiculous.

 

- 8700K 3500kr https://www.komplett.se/product/950611/datorutrustning/pc-komponenter/processor/intel-core-i7-8700k-processor

- 16GB 3200MHz Cl14 (Samsung B-die) 2600kr https://www.komplett.se/product/1018345/datorutrustning/pc-komponenter/minne/gskill-flare-x-ddr4-16gb-kit-3200mhz

- EVGA Z370 Micro 2350kr https://www.inet.se/produkt/1901098/evga-z370-micro-atx

- Cryorig R1 Universal 850kr https://cdon.se/hem-tradgard/cryorig-r1-universal-cpu-cooler-p36460258

- 2x 500GB Samsung 860 Evo 2200kr https://vpcb.se/datorutrustning/82-samsung-860-evo-500gb-ssd-25-mz-76e500b-eu-5-ars-garanti.html?

- Strix 1080ti 8150kr https://www.komplett.se/product/917604/datorutrustning/pc-komponenter/grafikkort/asus-geforce-gtx-1080ti-rog-strix-gaming#

- Corsair C400 850kr https://www.komplett.se/product/959628/datorutrustning/pc-komponenter/chassibarebone/midi-tower/corsair-carbide-clear-400c-midi-svart#

- Seasonic Focus+ gold 650W 900kr https://www.komplett.se/product/959100/datorutrustning/pc-komponenter/nataggregat/nataggregat/seasonic-focus-650w-80-gold-psu

- possibly some fans

 

Total: 21400kr for a _much_ better system.

I really like the Z370 Micro that I have but if you need more PCIe slots you may need to look for other alternatives.

EDIT: I'm not certain, but you _may_ need a different set of DDR4 if you just want to use an XMP profile without messing with voltage, frequency and timings. These are a good alternative: https://www.computersalg.se/i/1766145/g-skill-tridentz-series-ddr4-16-gb?utm_source=prisjaktSe&utm_medium=prisjaktSeLINK&utm_campaign=prisjaktSe

[wojtepanik]

get higher clocked ram for ryzen, it benefits a lot

[Fabazo]

38 minutes ago, chckovsky said:

You know, this configurator sucks, the limitations it sets are ridiculous.

 

- 8700K 3500kr https://www.komplett.se/product/950611/datorutrustning/pc-komponenter/processor/intel-core-i7-8700k-processor

- 16GB 3200MHz Cl14 (Samsung B-die) 2600kr https://www.komplett.se/product/1018345/datorutrustning/pc-komponenter/minne/gskill-flare-x-ddr4-16gb-kit-3200mhz

- EVGA Z370 Micro 2350kr https://www.inet.se/produkt/1901098/evga-z370-micro-atx

- Cryorig R1 Universal 850kr https://cdon.se/hem-tradgard/cryorig-r1-universal-cpu-cooler-p36460258

- 2x 500GB Samsung 860 Evo 2200kr https://vpcb.se/datorutrustning/82-samsung-860-evo-500gb-ssd-25-mz-76e500b-eu-5-ars-garanti.html?

- Strix 1080ti 8150kr https://www.komplett.se/product/917604/datorutrustning/pc-komponenter/grafikkort/asus-geforce-gtx-1080ti-rog-strix-gaming#

- Corsair C400 850kr https://www.komplett.se/product/959628/datorutrustning/pc-komponenter/chassibarebone/midi-tower/corsair-carbide-clear-400c-midi-svart#

- Seasonic Focus+ gold 650W 900kr https://www.komplett.se/product/959100/datorutrustning/pc-komponenter/nataggregat/nataggregat/seasonic-focus-650w-80-gold-psu

- possibly some fans

 

Total: 21400kr for a _much_ better system.

I really like the Z370 Micro that I have but if you need more PCIe slots you may need to look for other alternatives.

EDIT: I'm not certain, but you _may_ need a different set of DDR4 if you just want to use an XMP profile without messing with voltage, frequency and timings. These are a good alternative: https://www.computersalg.se/i/1766145/g-skill-tridentz-series-ddr4-16-gb?utm_source=prisjaktSe&utm_medium=prisjaktSeLINK&utm_campaign=prisjaktSe

-So you don't think I should go for the 2700x? From what iv'e seen i'd loose about 10% in gaming and gain 20% in multithread workloads such as rendering and such. But since I do game alot maybe it wouldn't be so bad to use the 8700k. And since i'll be waiting for the 11series I would also have the built in integrated GPU within the 8700k, compared to if i went with the 2700x which does not have built in graphics.

 

-Why the Mini ATX? What are the drawbacks and what do i gain? Since I probably will be upgrading to 32gb RAM the MOBO doesn't allow me if I were to go with your 2x8GB ram sticks. The Z370 only has 2 ram slots. So is there a good single stick 16GB that is good enough? Heard that it's better to run 2x8 instead of a single 16, is that true?

 

Thanks for taking your time to help me!

 

 

 

 

[chckovsky]

Just now, Fabazo said:

-So you don't think I should go for the 2700x

I don't want to recommend it because I have NO experience with ryzen, and a lot of experience with recent intel consumer chips. I can't really say.

 

You need to consider which programs like single thread vs multi thread performance and figure out the best option for yourself. Adobe Premiere is better on Intel for example:

 

 

5 minutes ago, Fabazo said:

-Why the Mini ATX? What are the drawbacks and what do i gain?

Because I have it, like it and from what I've researched it's the cheapest Z370 board with decent VRMs. BIOS is good and performance is good. The main drawbacks for this board in your use case is mainly, as you've mentioned, only two DIMM slots, and also there's no iGPU support. So I guess it's a no go.

 

If you can afford it, the higher end Asus Maximus range of motherboards are usually top notch. Asus has the best BIOS IMO. Also their BIOS update game is second to none.
 

6 minutes ago, Fabazo said:

Since I probably will be upgrading to 32gb RAM the MOBO doesn't allow me if I were to go with your 2x8GB ram sticks. The Z370 only has 2 ram slots. So is there a good single stick 16GB that is good enough? Heard that it's better to run 2x8 instead of a single 16, is that true?

This is a fair point. You mostly always want to run your memory in a dual channel configuration. In games it matters less, in other workloads it matters a lot. A single 16GB stick will perform significantly worse in certain workloads, compared to 2 sticks of 8GB.

However, keep in mind that while you MAY be able to buy another similar setl at a later point and use them together, there is no guarantee that they will overclock well together. You'll be limited by the "worst" of the two kits you buy. With the current memory pricing it may still be a better option, though.

[Fabazo]

11 minutes ago, chckovsky said:

I don't want to recommend it because I have NO experience with ryzen, and a lot of experience with recent intel consumer chips. I can't really say.

 

You need to consider which programs like single thread vs multi thread performance and figure out the best option for yourself. Adobe Premiere is better on Intel for example:

 

 

Because I have it, like it and from what I've researched it's the cheapest Z370 board with decent VRMs. BIOS is good and performance is good. The main drawbacks for this board in your use case is mainly, as you've mentioned, only two DIMM slots, and also there's no iGPU support. So I guess it's a no go.

 

If you can afford it, the higher end Asus Maximus range of motherboards are usually top notch. Asus has the best BIOS IMO. Also their BIOS update game is second to none.
 

This is a fair point. You mostly always want to run your memory in a dual channel configuration. In games it matters less, in other workloads it matters a lot. A single 16GB stick will perform significantly worse in certain workloads, compared to 2 sticks of 8GB.

However, keep in mind that while you MAY be able to buy another similar setl at a later point and use them together, there is no guarantee that they will overclock well together. You'll be limited by the "worst" of the two kits you buy. With the current memory pricing it may still be a better option, though.

So would this be a better option? Or are there cheaper alternatives that supports 4 slots of ram with 3200mhz plus some overclocking capabilites?

https://www.inet.se/produkt/1900454/asus-rog-maximus-x-hero

 

Or perhaps: https://www.inet.se/produkt/1900463/asus-prime-z370-a 

 

Are you saying that the MÓBO you first linked doesn't support Intels igpus? DIdn't know the Mobo decides wether it uses igpus or not, thought it just had to do with the CPU. 

[chckovsky]

17 minutes ago, Fabazo said:

So would this be a better option? Or are there cheaper alternatives that supports 4 slots of ram with 3200mhz plus some overclocking capabilites?

https://www.inet.se/produkt/1900454/asus-rog-maximus-x-hero

Probably a better option yes. Maybe check out the EVGA Z370 FTW? It's less than 2500kr with very similar components (looks like the same Vcore VRM) as the z370 Micro except it has iGPU support and 4 DIMM-slots, minus WiFI/Blouetooth.

 

20 minutes ago, Fabazo said:

Are you saying that the MÓBO you first linked doesn't support Intels igpus? DIdn't know the Mobo decides wether it uses igpus or not, thought it just had to do with the CPU. 

Yes, they dropped it to have room for the actual 8 phase Vcore VRM (its a doubled 4 phase but it's _actually_ doubled so it's basically a 8 phase)

[Fabazo]

I have decided to go for the AMD build instead since I really value the render speeds over gaming. However i tweaked a few things..

 

 

Does this look good?

 

*Is the MOBO ok?

*Will i be able to overclock slightly (4.2 approx)

*Will the RAM run at its fullest potential (3200mhz)

 

I will buy two Samsung 860's 500GB from another website and then the 11series or potentially a 1080ti if the prices drop.

 

And on a side note, if anyone has any recommendations for a 27inch 1440p monitor with good colors and an above average refreshrate screen i'm all ears :-)

 

I got my eyes on this one for now: https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/review/displays/msi-optix-mag27cq-review-3673473/

 

Thanks again to everyone who has helped! 

 

Edited August 11, 2018 by Fabazo