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Is Your Gaming Rig Being Bottlenecked??

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On 11/16/2018 at 11:56 PM, VClark said:

What's the perfect build for 1080p gaming to avoid bottlenecking? Please help, I'm planning to build the best value build for 1080p gaming :)

I'll mention GPU's for these in a bit..

i7 2600 + OC
i7 3770 or greater.

Z-Chipsets would be best,..As fast as you can get Ram 2133-2400Mhz,. the better,... not being limited to 1600Mhz on B/H motherboard chipsets,..
16GB RAM is widely advisable...for Gaming smoothness,.and DDR3 is cheaper than DDR4.

 

Ryzen with decent clocks at 8threads or Intel 6c6t would also work better or similar (game dependent)

Older (2nd/3rd Gen) Quadcore CPU's with 8threads are now Entry level (but offering MUCH better frametimes than 4c4t CPU's) going forward, but you can easily GPU bound MANY GPU's still at 1080p Ultra,..RX570/580/GTX980/1060, could do more with more, but being reasonable...

In respect of Value, you are aiming for more than 2 years,.. so that's why I never mentioned lower performing parts.

(280x OC or 380x / 1050Ti / GTX680 4GB / 3GB GTX780 and such GPU's below this)

 

Games can scale with Medium-High preset pretty well +High/Ultra Textures still for super smooth FPS, and High settings or Better for well made non-AAA titles at 1080p.

All depends on budget overall,..and if you mind dropping smoke/shadows and some post-processing down to medium while rocking Textures as high as possible.


Maximums - Asus Z97-K /w i5 4690 Bclk @106.9Mhz * x39 = 4.17Ghz, 8GB of 2600Mhz DDR3,.. Gigabyte GTX970 G1-Gaming @ 1550Mhz

 

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On 8/5/2018 at 11:59 AM, GabenJr said:

Everyone hates bottlenecks. It’s a common question on our forums to ask whether a part will be a bottleneck… But what does a bottleneck even look like, and how can you avoid one?

 

 

Buy a Core i7 8700K:
On Amazon: http://geni.us/JlcIN
On Newegg: http://geni.us/RLfD

 

Buy a Ryzen 3 2200G:
On Amazon: http://geni.us/jaZX9RZ
On Newegg: http://geni.us/1vxxfGB

 

Buy a GeForce GT 1030:
On Amazon: http://geni.us/RUD3m
On Newegg: http://geni.us/mSAqGt

 

Buy a GeForce GTX 1060 6GB:
On Amazon: http://geni.us/9iVpPWq
On Newegg: http://geni.us/R10t

 

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On 8/5/2018 at 11:59 AM, GabenJr said:

Everyone hates bottlenecks. It’s a common question on our forums to ask whether a part will be a bottleneck… But what does a bottleneck even look like, and how can you avoid one?

 

 

Buy a Core i7 8700K:
On Amazon: http://geni.us/JlcIN
On Newegg: http://geni.us/RLfD

 

Buy a Ryzen 3 2200G:
On Amazon: http://geni.us/jaZX9RZ
On Newegg: http://geni.us/1vxxfGB

 

Buy a GeForce GT 1030:
On Amazon: http://geni.us/RUD3m
On Newegg: http://geni.us/mSAqGt

 

Buy a GeForce GTX 1060 6GB:
On Amazon: http://geni.us/9iVpPWq
On Newegg: http://geni.us/R10t

I have an I7-860 And A Gtx 1050. Bottleneck Much?

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Hey guys, I hope I can get some answers in here.

 

Just saw the video, and upgraded my computer last week mainly to play BFV.

 

I'm using a Ryzen 3 2200g, 16gb ram ddr4 2400mhz, 1060 6gb and a basic ssd, with a 1080p 60hz monitor.

 

I'm getting around 50-70 fps, with massive drops on explosions, while afterburner shows around 85-90% usage on cpu 4 cores, and around 40% usage on vga.

 

I'm quite frustrated because of this, and planning already to upgrade processor. But going to 2700x will improve that much of my gaming experience? Because the prices are quite abusive where I am from. Also, I came across ryzen master software, where it's possible to set my processor to a "gaming" setup, which will bump my processors from 2800mhz to 3500mhz. Is it safe doing it with stock cooler? Also, I saw some conflicting experiences with this software. I use pcs for a long time, and never ever overclocked. So I don't know if I should trust the software, or should I do it via bios if its safe.

 

I know, lots of stuff to cover, thanks in advance!

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Not really related to the content of the video but can someone please tell me the name of the background music? It's fantastic. Specifically the background in the first half of the video.

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On 11/30/2018 at 10:40 AM, novaes said:

Hey guys, I hope I can get some answers in here.

 

Just saw the video, and upgraded my computer last week mainly to play BFV.

 

I'm using a Ryzen 3 2200g, 16gb ram ddr4 2400mhz, 1060 6gb and a basic ssd, with a 1080p 60hz monitor.

 

I'm getting around 50-70 fps, with massive drops on explosions, while afterburner shows around 85-90% usage on cpu 4 cores, and around 40% usage on vga.

 

I'm quite frustrated because of this, and planning already to upgrade processor. But going to 2700x will improve that much of my gaming experience? Because the prices are quite abusive where I am from. Also, I came across ryzen master software, where it's possible to set my processor to a "gaming" setup, which will bump my processors from 2800mhz to 3500mhz. Is it safe doing it with stock cooler? Also, I saw some conflicting experiences with this software. I use pcs for a long time, and never ever overclocked. So I don't know if I should trust the software, or should I do it via bios if its safe.

 

I know, lots of stuff to cover, thanks in advance!

Your "THREAD" limited more than core limited. Ryzen 4Core8Threads (Haswell4Core8threads) pushed up to and over 100fps.
8Threads or 6Cores+ is what you need for AAA gaming.


Maximums - Asus Z97-K /w i5 4690 Bclk @106.9Mhz * x39 = 4.17Ghz, 8GB of 2600Mhz DDR3,.. Gigabyte GTX970 G1-Gaming @ 1550Mhz

 

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Hello, currently I have a system such as :

 

Processor - i-7 4790k @4.4ghz

 

GPU - GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 192-Bit GDDR5

 

Motherboard - ASUS Z97-E/USB3.1 

 

Storage - Crucial Mx 300 525 Gb & Crucial Bx300 120 Gb

 

Ram - HyperX FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866

 

Fan/Cooling - Cryorig R1 Ultimate Dual Tower

 

Power Supply - Corsair Rm 850x

 

I mostly play fps games, does anyone think I may be held back at some point for this purpose?

 

Thanks!

 

 

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As far as i can tell my processor and ram are my bottle necks, AMD Athlon X4 845 3.5ghz, 4gb ddr3 1333mhz ram, R9 290x 8gb Graphics, 3 Mechanical Hard drives (Varying in size), 850 watt Power Supply, and not a lot of cooling lol

 

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1 hour ago, JohnMcG98 said:

As far as i can tell my processor and ram are my bottle necks, AMD Athlon X4 845 3.5ghz, 4gb ddr3 1333mhz ram, R9 290x 8gb Graphics, 3 Mechanical Hard drives (Varying in size), 850 watt Power Supply, and not a lot of cooling lol

 

both Ram and CPU are your bottlenecks.

 

4GB isnt enough anymore, 8GB is pretty much minimum. Athlons arent really that great and the R9 290x is a very potent GPU. you shure its a 290x and not a 390x? afaik the 290x only has 4GB

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Hi,

 

lets see if you can and want to help me. My system is still in construction and i want to make sure its as close to perfect as it can be.

My goal is to build a gaming pc thats right in the sweet spot using parts that were top notch a few months ago, but dropped in price significantly cause something newer was released. Im trying to always get the best performance per buck and also have a system thats future proof, so that i wont have to upgrade it in 2 years or less. But upgradability was also a concern, hence some of my decisions:

 

Motherboard: Gigabyte Z370 AORUS Ultra Gaming WITH Optane Memory 200$

-> Reasoning: Its a motherboard with enough RAM slots to upgrade, hence future proof. Good enough sound chip so i wont need anything else, and the Optane memory can make my 1TB HDD into a semi SSD.

 

480 GB Kingstong SSD for 85$ -> for Windows and some core programms like steam

1 TB HDD 80$

 

GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX1070Ti  for 550$ -> almost the same performance as the GTX 1080 but for much less money. Should be a great GPU for the years to come

 

Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 2700x for 370$ -> ver good processor and with the number of cores it should be future proof, especially if more games are released that dont focus on single core performance but can use all the cores the amd ryzen 7 provides. Also its great value since the processor comes with a fan that even looks nice

 

My goal was to get below 1300$, but as you can see im well above budget and havent even selected RAM yet. So my question is, do those parts work well together?, is something bottlenecked? can i replace some parts with cheaper alternatives without losing much if any performance? What RAM would you suggest? Id reckon at least 2 x 8GB?

 

Kind regards

Chris

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On 8/5/2018 at 1:59 PM, GabenJr said:

Everyone hates bottlenecks. It’s a common question on our forums to ask whether a part will be a bottleneck… But what does a bottleneck even look like, and how can you avoid one?

 

 

Buy a Core i7 8700K:
On Amazon: http://geni.us/JlcIN
On Newegg: http://geni.us/RLfD

 

Buy a Ryzen 3 2200G:
On Amazon: http://geni.us/jaZX9RZ
On Newegg: http://geni.us/1vxxfGB

 

Buy a GeForce GT 1030:
On Amazon: http://geni.us/RUD3m
On Newegg: http://geni.us/mSAqGt

 

Buy a GeForce GTX 1060 6GB:
On Amazon: http://geni.us/9iVpPWq
On Newegg: http://geni.us/R10t

I watched this video a good while back and don't have much desire to watch it again.

 

That being said the bottleneck term is being thrown around too often as this big terrible thing. The truth is there will ALWAYS be a bottleneck. There is always going to be a component in your Rig that will hold back the rest of the system, this is just the way of things. If you have a high end video card and want crazy FPS numbers at 1080p or lower then chances the CPU is going to be the bottleneck... this is going to be the case until draw calls are better distributed across the CPU. If you want to play at high resolutions like 4k then the GPU is now going to become the bottleneck

 

It is a balancing act. I can take pretty much any CPU and GPU combo and introduce a scenario that causes either component to become a bottleneck. For Example I can take a 9900K overclocked to 5.3ghz pair it with a 1030 GT turn the resolution down to 480p and all settings to low... that will shift the bottleneck to the CPU. I can take an old 2.8ghz core 2 quad CPU and pair it with a 1080ti and toss a 4k game at it with everything maxed out... chances are the 1080ti is going to be the bottleneck.

 

Then you have scenarios where a game loads lots of textures/assets as you move through the map. In this scenario you would see huge dips in fps or even temporary freezes as that loading takes place on a slow drive. In this scenario your storage solutions becomes the bottleneck.

 

You might be playing a game at high settings with only 4gb of system ram. Well once the game needs more than those 4gb of ram and it starts using the windows page file the fps would drop significantly and all around performance would be bad. This would mean your ram is the bottleneck.

 

People need to be less concerned about there being a bottleneck, but instead focus on where that bottleneck is occurring. If I have a 144hz monitor, but my CPU bottlenecks my gpu so my fps can only hit 160 then that isn't something to be concerned over.

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1 hour ago, Derva said:

Hi,

 

lets see if you can and want to help me. My system is still in construction and i want to make sure its as close to perfect as it can be.

My goal is to build a gaming pc thats right in the sweet spot using parts that were top notch a few months ago, but dropped in price significantly cause something newer was released. Im trying to always get the best performance per buck and also have a system thats future proof, so that i wont have to upgrade it in 2 years or less. But upgradability was also a concern, hence some of my decisions:

 

Motherboard: Gigabyte Z370 AORUS Ultra Gaming WITH Optane Memory 200$

-> Reasoning: Its a motherboard with enough RAM slots to upgrade, hence future proof. Good enough sound chip so i wont need anything else, and the Optane memory can make my 1TB HDD into a semi SSD.

 

480 GB Kingstong SSD for 85$ -> for Windows and some core programms like steam

1 TB HDD 80$

 

GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX1070Ti  for 550$ -> almost the same performance as the GTX 1080 but for much less money. Should be a great GPU for the years to come

 

Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 2700x for 370$ -> ver good processor and with the number of cores it should be future proof, especially if more games are released that dont focus on single core performance but can use all the cores the amd ryzen 7 provides. Also its great value since the processor comes with a fan that even looks nice

 

My goal was to get below 1300$, but as you can see im well above budget and havent even selected RAM yet. So my question is, do those parts work well together?, is something bottlenecked? can i replace some parts with cheaper alternatives without losing much if any performance? What RAM would you suggest? Id reckon at least 2 x 8GB?

 

Kind regards

Chris

I would aim for something similar to this. It can be had for even cheaper with some part swaps, but the overall stats would stay roughly the same.

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ftvNjy
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ftvNjy/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($269.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus - Prime X470-Pro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($174.79 @ OutletPC)
Memory: ADATA - XPG GAMMIX D10 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($72.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - Constellation ES 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($61.70 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 8G Video Card  ($549.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Lite 5 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($45.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($30.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1310.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-06 09:31 EST-0500

 

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On 12/3/2018 at 9:36 AM, newtoofps said:

 

Hello, currently I have a system such as :

 

Processor - i-7 4790k @4.4ghz

 

GPU - GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 192-Bit GDDR5

 

Motherboard - ASUS Z97-E/USB3.1 

 

Storage - Crucial Mx 300 525 Gb & Crucial Bx300 120 Gb

 

Ram - HyperX FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866

 

Fan/Cooling - Cryorig R1 Ultimate Dual Tower

 

Power Supply - Corsair Rm 850x

 

I mostly play fps games, does anyone think I may be held back at some point for this purpose?

 

Thanks!

 

I'm not too experienced building but, looking at pcpartpicker, your motherboard will not allow for a higher cpu to be used. Id recommend  saving for a 1070/1080. That or just wait untill you feel like a new rig, and upgrade all the way around? 

 

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12 minutes ago, AngryBeaver said:

I would aim for something similar to this. It can be had for even cheaper with some part swaps, but the overall stats would stay roughly the same.

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ftvNjy
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ftvNjy/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($269.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus - Prime X470-Pro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($174.79 @ OutletPC)
Memory: ADATA - XPG GAMMIX D10 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($72.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - Constellation ES 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($61.70 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 8G Video Card  ($549.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Lite 5 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($45.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($30.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1310.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-06 09:31 EST-0500

 

Thanks for the reply. Well the motherboard is a little cheaper, but without the OP the 3TB HDD is just a plain HDD. So id say thats worth the extra few bucks.

Why did you choose a GTX 1080? Its way more expensive and pretty much the same as the GTX1070Ti. Or did i miss something?

 

Regarding the case im gonna get a NZXT Source 340 in black. Got enough front usb ports and is solid metal so it will last quite a long time.

 

Does the ADATA -XPG GAMMIX D10 have any advantages over other memory? Really have no clue what to pick there :/

Im also not sure what cooling system i should get. The case supports several fans and got 2 included. But im not sure whether or not i should replace the ones that are included, how many fans i should add, watercooling or not etc. I think im gonna skip RGB fans cause they are just more expensive and im out for performance.

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8 minutes ago, Derva said:

Thanks for the reply. Well the motherboard is a little cheaper, but without the OP the 3TB HDD is just a plain HDD. So id say thats worth the extra few bucks.

Why did you choose a GTX 1080? Its way more expensive and pretty much the same as the GTX1070Ti. Or did i miss something?

 

Regarding the case im gonna get a NZXT Source 340 in black. Got enough front usb ports and is solid metal so it will last quite a long time.

 

Does the ADATA -XPG GAMMIX D10 have any advantages over other memory? Really have no clue what to pick there :/

Im also not sure what cooling system i should get. The case supports several fans and got 2 included. But im not sure whether or not i should replace the ones that are included, how many fans i should add, watercooling or not etc. I think im gonna skip RGB fans cause they are just more expensive and im out for performance.

The Adata doesn't have any advantages that I know of, was just the best price for what I wanted. If you decide to change the memory make sure it is at least 3000mhz.

 

The reason I picked a 1080 is because a 1070ti can overclock to stock 1080 levels, but an overclocked 1080 will still be 15% or so faster.

 

The case I picked was just something generic that would serve your needs. There are other cases out there that are just as good if not better for similar price points. If you are wanting to add water-cooling then a case change is probably warranted. I am just giving you the ground work you can customize and change as needed.

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On 8/11/2018 at 3:15 AM, jessu said:

i have a fx4320 8 gb ram ddr3 and id want to buy a amd hd 7750, would i bottleneck anything? ill be using it for gaming mostly, maybe some photo editting. i mostly expect around 30 fps in medium setting or combination of low and mid at a 720p resolution. thanks in advance for the answear! 

ps: should i use a dual core 2 duo e8500 instead from another pc?

You'll be fine using that combination of GPU & CPU.

 

Do not go for the E8500 as it is slower over-all.

 

Can I just ask, how much are you going to pay for that HD7750?

And what PSU (Power Supply) do you have in your PC at this moment.


When the PC is acting up haunted,

who ya gonna call?
"Monotone voice" : A local computer store.

*Terrible joke I know*

 

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Currently have an A8-3870K with 8gb of ram and 250gb ssd. Now I am looking into a R9 290x card but I would be interested in getting a R9 furry I just hope the apu would  not bottle neck the furry? Interested in 1080 mid-high gaming 

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Ok so im currently running an i5 3570k with 1070 sli with 16gb of rams but im getting an average of 50-55 fps.  So now im wondering if upgrading my cpu would do me any good o yeah and im also running on 4k on very high settings. 

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20 minutes ago, TheLastBlueNeck said:

I have a FX8350 Black Edition, RTX 2080 MSI Trio X OC, H100i Cooler, 16gb PNY RAM 1600MHz, 5 500Gb WD SSD's.     

    I know I have a bottleneck, what should i upgrade to first?

I'd say the motherboard & CPU.

Swapping out just the CPU isn't an option as what you have is the best you can get in that socket.

 

Personally I'd then look at some Ryzen chips, like a Ryzen 5 2600 or a Ryzen 7 1700x if it's on clearance/sale.

RAM prices dropped, seeing as you'd be going from DDR3->DDR4, 16 GB's should be enough.

 

That'll be my two cents, take it or leave it ;)


When the PC is acting up haunted,

who ya gonna call?
"Monotone voice" : A local computer store.

*Terrible joke I know*

 

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On 1/15/2019 at 1:33 AM, Sfekke said:

I'd say the motherboard & CPU.

Swapping out just the CPU isn't an option as what you have is the best you can get in that socket.

 

Personally I'd then look at some Ryzen chips, like a Ryzen 5 2600 or a Ryzen 7 1700x if it's on clearance/sale.

RAM prices dropped, seeing as you'd be going from DDR3->DDR4, 16 GB's should be enough.

 

That'll be my two cents, take it or leave it ;)

I plan on getting the I9 9900k with the msi godlike, i have the money for the cpu but dont want to buy until i have money for both

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Yes, my gaming-rig is being bottlenecked....by the lack of stuffing in my wallet.


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