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Is Your Gaming Rig Being Bottlenecked??

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Everyone hates bottlenecks. It’s a common question on our forums to ask whether a part will be a bottleneck… But what does a bottleneck even look like, and how can you avoid one?

 

 

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Want to investigate the bottlenecks in my rig? My guess would be... EVERYTHING.

 

And bruh, which GT 1030 are you using? The DDR4 model of the GDDR5 one? Because that makes huge difference. The DDR4 version is basically a paper weight. 


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Every rig is bottlenecked

there is allways "the slowest part"... be it the software :P


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1 minute ago, Metallus97 said:

Every rig is bottlenecked

there is allways "the slowest part"... be it the software :P

Or better yet.... Windows. 


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Funny how I came here just after reading a comment on a DF video saying that Ryzen CPUs are good at bottlenecking GPUs.

 

A Ryzen 3? Perhaps but a Ryzen 5 and 7? Not as much, and that also depends on the GPU and what settings/resolution you're playing at.

 

Some people think bottlenecking is as simple as CPU/GPU bottlenecking.....but they neglect storage. It is usually the main bottleneck in a system that doesn't have a fast SSD.


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I'm so glad this video was done. People mistake what a bottleneck actually is far too often.


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2 minutes ago, dizmo said:

People mistake what a bottleneck actually is far too often.

More like a tool used by fanboys to the point where it isn't even close to the actual case.


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What to know if my rig is bottlenecked too much.

 

I have an AMD fx-4300 cpu and Rx570 4gb gpu.

Is my cpu bottlenecking my gpu?

I use this rig for gaming only. The settings I play most of the AAA title games would be 1080p High settings.

Hope to get an answer and please don't my poor English 😁.

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2 minutes ago, FreakyFly said:

What to know if my rig is bottlenecked too much.

 

I have an AMD fx-4300 cpu and Rx570 4gb gpu.

Is my cpu bottlenecking my gpu?

I use this rig for gaming only. The settings I play most of the AAA title games would be 1080p High settings.

Hope to get an answer and please don't my poor English 😁.

its got a small bottleneck if you overclock the cpu it should be fine

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3 minutes ago, FreakyFly said:

What to know if my rig is bottlenecked too much.

 

I have an AMD fx-4300 cpu and Rx570 4gb gpu.

Is my cpu bottlenecking my gpu?

I use this rig for gaming only. The settings I play most of the AAA title games would be 1080p High settings.

Hope to get an answer and please don't my poor English 😁.

It's your CPU. 


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Just now, FreakyFly said:

What to know if my rig is bottlenecked too much.

 

I have an AMD fx-4300 cpu and Rx570 4gb gpu.

Is my cpu bottlenecking my gpu?

I use this rig for gaming only. The settings I play most of the AAA title games would be 1080p High settings.

Hope to get an answer and please don't my poor English 😁.

Depends on a game but in most games you should definitely see a lower performance vs a better CPU.

Buuuuut!!!

 

You can have bottlenecks and still have a great experience as long as youre getting the desired FPS or frametimes.

So there is always a question of whether you actually have a bottleneck and whether it actually matters for your use case.


 

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i'm probably bottlenecking my gpu a bit but i don't care. everything i play gets 60+ fps and that's all i need... 


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Just logged in to say a few things, recently i updated my old rig except my gpu (still saving on that one)
i went from a 

CPU : AMD Athlon II X4 620 (2.6 Ghz OC to 3.0)
RAM : Patriot 4x 2GB DDR3 1033 Mhz
Mobo : Foxconn A88GMV AM3
GPU : XFX AMD Radeon R7 360 2 GB
HDD : 500 GB WD Black (pretty quiet actually)

 

upgraded to :

 

CPU : AMD Ryzen 5 1600X (hyper 212 evo, running on stock)
RAM :G. Skill Ripjaws V 3000Mhz 2x 8GB DDR4  

Mobo : Asus ROG Strix X370-F Gaming

GPU : (same)
HDD : Patriot Burst 240GB SSD

 

I am playing Fortnite, and i had 0 (zero) improvement in game, i knew the GPU is the bottleneck even before upgrade, but still i thought i will see at least some 10-15 fps difference as Athlon II X4 is pretty old (and i wanted to get rid of my old mobo as it caused random problems that solved randomly without fix), but looks like i was wrong, it's marvelous how old CPU's are actually strong in today's games, even for their part.

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I think I really have to say this. 

 

Bottlenecking isn't as simple as CPU vs GPU bottlenecking. It also has to do with application and support as well. Take my system for instance. It's an ASUS STRIX GL502 gaming notebook with a Core i7 7700H that's a 4C 8T CPU with a maximum base clock of 2.8GHz but can boost to 3.4GHz for 4 cores up to 3.8GHz for a single core if power and temp limits allow. It is paired with a GeForce GTX 1060 with 6GB of VRAM, known to be a very capable GPU for 1080p.

 

In games like Forza Horizon 3, my system performs very well with an average FPS of around 78-80 at high settings on 1080p, with the CPU and GPU loaded up, both of which are on high usage percentages. However, I noticed that with CPUs like the 8700K and Ryzen 5 1600/2600 and Ryzen 7 line, performance did improve a bit especially in games that utilize multiple threads, and especially in Forza, there's odd hitching caused by the HDD's slower R/W speed. In my case, my CPU is holding me back ever so slightly but the HDD is the main one. 

 

But let's take an older game like Team Fortress 2. While gaming, I noticed that my CPU didn't exactly have a high usage percentage and that my GPU never went above 40% utilization. The reason? It's the game itself. Team Fortress 2 runs on an engine build that's over a decade old and isn't built to take advantage of a decade's worth of advancement. It still runs really well, just not to the full extent of what my system can dish out. 


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ok so i have a amd ryzen 1600x msi krati x370 motherboard and 8g ddr4 3200 ram  and a 780sc 

so what video card world be good for me to get 

 

thanking of getting a gtx 1060 what do u guys think 

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1 minute ago, livedinokc88 said:

ok so i have a amd ryzen 1600x msi krati x370 motherboard and 8g ddr4 3200 ram  and a 780sc 

so what video card world be good for me to get 

 

thanking of getting a gtx 1060 what do u guys think 

A GTX 1060 shouldn't be a problem for a 1600X


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2 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

i'm probably bottlenecking my gpu a bit but i don't care. everything i play gets 60+ fps and that's all i need... 

Which is actually what most don't seem to understand with the idea of "bottlenecking". Whether a system has a bottleneck isn't the end-all be-all of the discussion. It isn't even the first point to discuss. You have to evaluate the performance you're getting versus the performance you want at the quality settings you want within what you can afford to replace if you decide to upgrade. With the GPU always being the easiest thing to upgrade.

 

Now if you're building brand new, focusing so much on performance that you skimp on what I feel is the most important part in your system, the power supply, you're setting yourself up for long-term pain regardless of what you build.


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9 minutes ago, brandishwar said:

Whether a system has a bottleneck isn't the end-all be-all of the discussion. It isn't even the first point to discuss. You have to evaluate the performance you're getting versus the performance you want at the quality settings you want within what you can afford to replace if you decide to upgrade. With the GPU always being the easiest thing to upgrade.

And that's really it. People throw around bottlenecking like it's something that must be avoided and that you need a specific combination to eliminate bottlenecks. It couldn't be even further from the truth but it's thrown about so much that it makes people needlessly fear it more than necessary. 

9 minutes ago, brandishwar said:

Now if you're building brand new, focusing so much on performance that you skimp on what I feel is the most important part in your system, the power supply, you're setting yourself up for long-term pain regardless of what you build.

And that's why I tell people to focus on the PSU first. It's the lifeblood of any PC and a quality one is critical. 

 

It's also why I don't want people to fear too much about bottlenecks. You can't totally eliminate it. But you can move it to something where it won't be as significant for your use case. 


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I currently have an Intel Pentinum g2230, 8gb of ddr3 ram, an Asus b85mg motherboard and Gt 1030

 

to play games on and I get reasonable fps, but I want to go into VR, after running Steam VR performance test it said 100% frames are GPU bound as I am only getting 60fps if I buy a gtx 1060 3gb would I be able to play VR titles at reasonable settings

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7 minutes ago, brandishwar said:

Which is actually what most don't seem to understand with the idea of "bottlenecking". Whether a system has a bottleneck isn't the end-all be-all of the discussion. It isn't even the first point to discuss. You have to evaluate the performance you're getting versus the performance you want at the quality settings you want within what you can afford to replace if you decide to upgrade. With the GPU always being the easiest thing to upgrade.

yeah exactly. my cpu configuration makes sense for me, because i'm in the process of moving to Linux and using a Windows virtual machine for gaming. now i can dedicate 6 core's for Windows without the rest of my machine slowing down too much... 

8 minutes ago, brandishwar said:

Now if you're building brand new, focusing so much on performance that you skimp on what I feel is the most important part in your system, the power supply, you're setting yourself up for long-term pain regardless of what you build.

i made that mistake about a year ago with my old Core 2 Quad machine. i put a €40 "500W" PSU in it, which worked for a bit, and then blew up. and i mean blew up. i was playing Overwatch, then my pc turned off. 3 seconds later there was a big bang and then it blew the fuse to my room, so everything turned off. that was so scary i had a nightmare about it. like seriously, pc turned off, bang, and then i sat in the dark... 

 

that power supply took the motherboard and all of the ram out, and an audio interface that was plugged in to the machine too. 

surprisingly the cpu and the videocard that were in it still work.

 

but yeah i'm never making that mistake again. 


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Hmmmm

This might explain my performance isseus

I play alot of Farming Simulator 17 and have upgraded to a Nvidia Geforce GTX1070, but I'm still running my old motherboard and CPU setup.
My currents setup is:
Intel Core i5 2500K (socket 1155 LGA)
MB: Asus P8H67-V
16GB DDR3
GPU Gigabyte Nvidia GTX1070 8GB

and i run this on a 21:9 3440x1440 Dell monitor

I was hoping this would power the new edition of the Farming Simulator Game in November as well. But maybe its time for the old CPU to go?

Any advice on this?
http://thebottlenecker.com gives me the option for Intel Core i5-8600K.

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I just bought a new system based on mostly working with my high end Red camera and doing color grading, editing (Adobe Premiere / Avid) and some AE post production. But I'm also using this for some gaming as it's my home company. Here's my specs:

 

https://www.inet.se/kundvagn/visa/11672574/2017-07-25-13-16

(It's in Swedish, but I think the names of the components will show it all)

 

Now, there's some changes, I changed out the Intel SSD to a Samsung Pro 1TB. The Noctua fans will replace the original fans on the water cooling and the water cooling is changed to a NZXT Kraken X62 280mm instead, due to the case not working with the Corsair. 6Tb will be set in a RAID-0 for performance, while using the TB3 card for external drives and backups. I'm also using my previous Titan X Maxwell in this rig, however, I might sell it and get a newer one if there's bottlenecking in this rig. 

 

It's the company (Inet) that builds the computer, so I'm no expert in this. I have however researched as much as I can about all the components. I'm figuring out if I could overclock the CPU somewhat to get a bit more on each core, but I'm not sure if that works. How will this system work? It's not paid yet and they are building it right now, so would be nice to know if there's any things to reconsider in the last minute. 

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1 hour ago, psycoclown said:

found this a while ago it may help some people

http://thebottlenecker.com/

it told me I should get a 1080Ti lol


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