Gaming on Linux - With WENDELL from Level1Techs!

[Stefan Payne]

1 hour ago, Sniperfox47 said:

You mean VS all the stuff that Linux has that Windows is missing, as @pipnina mentioned? Or you know, the whole benefit of Linux where you can just choose a different desktop compositor that has the features like that that you need?

I don't care about stuff I don't need.

And that is pretty simple:
Connect to Windows Share, watch videos from there (Video Player for linux can't hold a candle to MPC-HC or BE)

And use all the neat Win+Arrowkey kombinations that work well under Windows.

 

And some other stuff.

Like "just share a folder".

Easy with OSX and Windows, not necessarily with Linux. Again, if you know your commandline stuff, its more convenient than GUI.

But until I don't get enraged when using Linux for longer periods of time, I won't really use it.

 

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Umm your file manager doesn't do any of the searching for SMB shares, Samba and NetBIOS do. It sounds like you picked a distro with a crappy SMB preinstall. There's a reason why new users should either be using Ubuntu if they're a basic user, Fedora if the're a developer, or SUSE if they're crazy.

Usually I stick with either Mint or OpenSuse, don't lke that OS-X Lookalike thingy on the left screen instead of the buttom...

 

Mounting it manually with a comand line commando works well. Why isn't that shit implemented in the file manager (manually connecting to a network share)?

 

And that is one of the Problems with Linux, that its not "one thing" like OSX and Windows 10, its just the Kernel and a couple of programms around that. 

That causes problems and 

 

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B) What are you even talking about? Intel, Valve, AMD, and hell even Nvidia have been making huge inroads into improving drivers and stability for gaming... There are massive changed to the backbone of the Linux kernel going on *right now* to make it fundamentally better for VR than *any* other OS on the market, in that the whole display stack is being reworked from the ground up with VR in mind. Do you follow along with any linux related news at all?

I'm not talking about driver quality or stability, that was never my point.

Kernelimprovements for (graphics) driver is nice, but what good does it do if there is next to nothing I can use it with?

Yes, there are a couple of games but that's only a minority.

And that is the best thing with Linux it seems, the Kernel and the Driver. The rest has its problem...

Ss long as there is not one entity that wants to do its own "Gaming Linux" from the ground up, there is no hope for change...

 

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You really have no idea what you're talking about on a lot of this stuff. Do some research on Phoronix into the *massive* changes happening at low levels in the Linux kernel. The push by Kronos members to build out a strong API ecosystem around Linux and cross platform development. Linux already is a *more than decent* gaming OS. It performs better in a lot of cases than Windows... even many times now with games originally designed *for* windows.

Why are you mentioning stuff I wasn't even talking about?!

All those things you mention here are nice and will have their uses in some professional cases, but that is not something that is of interest for the enduser...

 

And that is the Problem, there is just no real good software for the Enduser in many cases that can compete with the Windows version. You have to 

 

 

And its too complicated for the normal user, Wine might work with the game you want to play or not. But what's a nono is ot mention (in some countrys) illegal software, that is also forbidden to talk about in this forum...

 

 

[Stefan Payne]

3 minutes ago, Nena360 said:

Privacy? Security? and lets not forget stability!

Software?
Known enviroment?

 

Some Linux Software does it completely different without any need.

That doesn't help the Windows guys...

[Nena Trinity]

1 minute ago, Stefan Payne said:

Software?
Known enviroment?

 

Some Linux Software does it completely different without any need.

That doesn't help the Windows guys...

You an install any desktop you want, its like Android install any launcher you want... =3= (Debian is stock Linux)

[Stefan Payne]

Just now, Nena360 said:

You an install any desktop you want, its like Android install any launcher you want... =3= (Debian is stock Linux)

Yes and what about using it??

Some software is equal on both plattforms (Thunderbird, Opera and some others).

But for other "enduser Software" like MPC-HC or MPC-BE there is just no equal alternative.

 

And the integration of all the things is just not great in Linux, everyone does their own shit, doesn't care about the next one (=Enduser)...

 

[Nena Trinity]

1 minute ago, Stefan Payne said:

Yes and what about using it??

Some software is equal on both plattforms (Thunderbird, Opera and some others).

But for other "enduser Software" like MPC-HC or MPC-BE there is just no equal alternative.

 

And the integration of all the things is just not great in Linux, everyone does their own shit, doesn't care about the next one (=Enduser)...

 

I dunno, I rather use Ubuntu so I can browse the web safely! Gaming is the only thing pushing me back to Windows... =3= So yeah IF ALL GAMES WAS ON LINUX WINDOWS WOULD GONE BYE BYE FOR GOOD! O3O

[WereCatf]

13 minutes ago, Nena360 said:

Privacy? Security? and lets not forget stability!

I'd have to be running Windows in a VM, so no, I wouldn't be gaining privacy. Secondly, I have no security-issues that would be solved by moving to Linux, so that's a no as well. Thirdly, the only stability-issues I've had have been due to overclocking and, again, they'd have affected Linux just as well, so that's yet another no.

[Nena Trinity]

Just now, WereCatf said:

I'd have to be running Windows in a VM, so no, I wouldn't be gaining privacy. Secondly, I have no security-issues that would be solved by moving to Linux, so that's a no as well. Thirdly, the only stability-issues I've had have been due to overclocking and, again, they'd have affected Linux just as well, so that's yet another no.

Meh Linux have had far less issues for me compared to Windows. =3=

[WereCatf]

3 minutes ago, Nena360 said:

Meh Linux have had far less issues for me compared to Windows. =3=

For me, Windows 10 has been rock-solid after I set voltages right. I have zero complaints about its stability, whatsoever.

[pipnina]

17 minutes ago, Nena360 said:

Privacy? Security? and lets not forget stability!

1 minute ago, WereCatf said:

I'd have to be running Windows in a VM, so no, I wouldn't be gaining privacy. Secondly, I have no security-issues that would be solved by moving to Linux, so that's a no as well. Thirdly, the only stability-issues I've had have been due to overclocking and, again, they'd have affected Linux just as well, so that's yet another no.

The main reason I choose to use a Linux-based OS is because it is made of mostly free software (i.e. www.fsf.org kinds of free, not because it is provided without charge). I chose to move away from as much proprietary software as possible (though for most it is impossible to escape entirely, I am still chained to proprietary nvidia drivers as well as programs such as steam and discord. Though 90% free software is still better than 10% free software (I used free software programs on windows such as blender and gimp).

 

To me, the idea of allowing a platform to become dominant while owned and controlled by a less than benevolent proprietor is unethical. A free software operating system with Linux or BSD combined with GNU userspace programs provides the base for a world where operating systems can actually compete. A program written for ubuntu can be run on debian or mint, or re-packaged for fedora and arch. A company who comes along and makes a new system which is very different from existing distributions on a user level can still benefit from every existing program written to work with the Linux kernel and x window system. The software compatability problem fades, allowing for a truly competitive market and level playing field. That is what is given up by using windows.

 

Free software serves the user, proprietary software serves the proprietor.

[WereCatf]

7 minutes ago, pipnina said:

The main reason I choose to use a Linux-based OS is because it is made of mostly free software

That's your prerogative. I have a more practical view; I use F/OSS-software (virt-viewer, GIMP, Thunderbird, Keepass, OBS, Calibre, Notepad++ and so on and so forth) where I can, but not if it means not being able to do what I want or not being able to make full use of my hardware.

[King_of_Oz]

On 7/22/2018 at 3:14 PM, Firewrath9 said:

list of good games on linux:

Bioshock Infinite

all the volvo games

 

 

and thats it lmao

How about EVERY VALVE GAME.? Half life and portal, csgo, left for dead, etc...

[Sauron]

15 hours ago, WereCatf said:

I'd have to be running Windows in a VM, so no, I wouldn't be gaining privacy.

There's a big difference in the amount of data they can collect about you if all you do on it is play games and run a couple of programs that don't work well on linux, compared to doing eveything on it. You would definitely gain at least some privacy. Whether that's worth the "hassle" or not is for you do decide.

 

Personally I'm more interested in the advanced user experience customization I can do on a Linux/FreeBSD system (aside from moral stance and software ownership concerns).

15 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

But for other "enduser Software" like MPC-HC or MPC-BE there is just no equal alternative.

There are plenty of great media players for Linux, that's really not a good example of things that are missing... sure, if you MUST HAVE that specific software you'll be forced to use windows, but for most things there are alternatives and for the most part they work well.

16 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

And the integration of all the things is just not great in Linux, everyone does their own shit, doesn't care about the next one (=Enduser)...

If there only were one or two distributions you'd give up a big part of what makes Linux great. As for caring about the end user, I'd argue the absolute opposite is true - Linux distro developers only care about the end user, whereas MS and Apple only care about their end user's money and data. Distribution developers are mostly their own users and the decision on what features to add is taken together; Windows developers do what they're told by a board that is focused on making money as opposed to adding cool features.

 

Yes, fragmentation is also a weakness - but taking it away completely defeats the purpose.

16 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Some Linux Software does it completely different without any need.

That doesn't help the Windows guys...

FOSS developers aren't trying to clone Windows, otherwise they'd just use Windows. Sometimes things are designed differently (although rarely without very clear reasons) and require a little getting used to, but that doesn't mean they're worse or harder to use. It's a bit like saying that french is needlessly different from english and that doesn't help english people. A great example would be tiling window managers - they work in a completely different way from windows, and yet if you learn how to use one effectively you'll never want to go back.

16 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

All those things you mention here are nice and will have their uses in some professional cases, but that is not something that is of interest for the enduser...

He's talking about APIs like Vulkan, which are definitely of interest to the end user.

18 hours ago, Sniperfox47 said:

or SUSE if they're crazy.

 

[WereCatf]

12 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Personally I'm more interested in the advanced user experience customization I can do on a Linux/FreeBSD system

That's something Linux does, indeed, offer a lot more leeway in and I can certainly see the appeal for someone who likes to fiddle with UIs and stuff. There are all sorts of 3rd-party utilities for Windows that allow for more customization, but, as far as I've seen, they all come with with a bunch of negatives, like e.g. much higher system-load, unstability, increased application-incompatibility etc. Microsoft does seem to deliberately not release better customization-options and I would hazard a guess that it's because they want to maintain certain level of brand-distinction, even after the user has customized the settings.

 

Not that any of it matters to me, personally; I'm boring, I just change the desktop wallpaper and leave it at that

12 minutes ago, Sauron said:

I actually ran SuSE on my desktop for several years in the 90's and early 2000, along with Gentoo

[Stefan Payne]

26 minutes ago, Sauron said:

There are plenty of great media players for Linux, that's really not a good example of things that are missing... sure, if you MUST HAVE that specific software you'll be forced to use windows, but for most things there are alternatives and for the most part they work well.

been there, done that...

And the usable ones are only MPV, wich is used by other Players as well (the Name I've forgotten) and the VLC.

 

€dit: It was SMPlayer. SMPlayer it was...

But then again, you get hit with configuration possibilitys and stuff like that. It doesn't just work like in Windows, where you have like 5 options, you have at least 50 for the Renderer.

 

But I must ask you right now: Have you ever used MPC-HC or BE?

The "skip" button plays the next file in the folder for example. 

Its just soo convinient that you don't want anything else.

 

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If there only were one or two distributions you'd give up a big part of what makes Linux great.

That's one side of the coin.

The other is that it is what it makes it so shitty/bad because you can't even write a normal installer that you can use like on Windows or OSX.

 

Because there is no defined binary format for Linux...

You can call that the ways to do it are proprietary and either the .deb or the .rpm packages...

 

 

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As for caring about the end user, I'd argue the absolute opposite is true - Linux distro developers only care about the end user, whereas MS and Apple only care about their end user's money and data.

If they'd care so much, they would use more of the Windows world because that is the group of people that might be willing to switch to Linux.

 

That is the point you are missing.

While the MacOSX Users won't switch from their Plattform (well, most won't).

 

And also some ease of use features for beginners like Auto Updates aren't available for all distributions...

 

So no, they don't really care about the End-Users...

 

And while Apple/M$ care about the Money, that is an incentive to bring them to do what you want.

While there is nothing for the Linux community. "You don't want to use my software? Then don't, go away", is the response...

 

 

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Distribution developers are mostly their own users and the decision on what features to add is taken together; Windows developers do what they're told by a board that is focused on making money as opposed to adding cool features.

Yes and that is the point!

With Windows you have a "chain of responsibilitys" and everyone is accountable for whatever he/she does. With Linux that is not the case.

 

A good example is this:

https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7547-libusb_maintainer_fail

 

 

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Yes, fragmentation is also a weakness - but taking it away completely defeats the purpose.

Its the biggest problem of Linux from a professional Software developer standpoint.

Because you can't develop software for Linux that is enduser friendly.

 

You either have to use a 3rd party Launcher (=Steam) or you have to develop it for one distribution like Ubuntu/Mint or you make it for multiple. That is not really a viable option.

Or to be blunt:
All Options suck.

 

And the "Linux COmmunity" doesn't seem to work on solving this Problem.

Because its a Server/WOrkstation/HPC OS, not a Consumer one!

 

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FOSS developers aren't trying to clone Windows, otherwise they'd just use Windows.

And that is one of their problems that they don't copy the good stuff from Windows or use all the good things that Windows has to offer...

 

 

But that is only one Problem.

Another is that its not as easy to use as Windows or OSX, the "Sharing a Folder" Thing is a good example. Many Distributions just suck at that.

 

 

 

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Sometimes things are designed differently (although rarely without very clear reasons) and require a little getting used to, but that doesn't mean they're worse or harder to use. It's a bit like saying that french is needlessly different from english and that doesn't help english people. A great example would be tiling window managers - they work in a completely different way from windows, and yet if you learn how to use one effectively you'll never want to go back.

No, that is false.
You have to throw away all the things you know and learn every shortcut from the beginning.

The worst Example is KDE where you can't use any shortcut you know from Windows (well, maybe the Gutenberg-Combination (The CDU/CSU Politician, ex Minister of Defense)).

 

And to be blunt:
What you say is that Windows People should stick with Windows and Linux is only for Linux People.

See the Problem?

You have to copy Windows to get people away from the Plattform and implement all the things that make Windows good like Win+Arrow Keys, Win+R, Win+E, Win+D, Win+P and many more Shortcuts that are just awesome.

 

And that is the Problem, there is the Ideological barrier while you don't necessarily have that with commercial software because you have a higher accountability to the customerbase...

If you change something too much or mess up too much, nobody will buy this version.

You've seen that with Windows 2000, Vista, 8.1 for example.

Although 8.1 had some greally great "quality of life" changes that nobody talks bout like all the symbols in the Windows Explorer.

 

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He's talking about APIs like Vulkan, which are definitely of interest to the end user.

As an Enduser I couldn't care less about the API and stuff.

I want to use that and get stuff done. I don't care how it is done or how it works, I can only care about the results. I have to care only about the results.

 

Why should I care about the Implementation or why it is hard to add a "go to custom Network Adress"??

That isn't my Problem, that is theirs.

[WereCatf]

8 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

If they'd care so much, they would use more of the Windows world because that is the group of people that might be willing to switch to Linux.

My opinion differs here from both yours and many of the Linux-advocates': I don't think the advocates should even try to get people to switch from Windows to Linux in the first place.

 

Many advocates try to push Linux onto Windows-users by listing all the things they see as being negatives about Windows, trying to portray it in bad light and so on, then proceeding to highlight things they themselves feel are the positives of Linux, all the while completely ignoring the needs and wishes of the person they're talking to and coming off as both condescending and as having a holier-than-thou attitude to it all, often because the positive/negative things aren't the same in their mind as they are in the person's they're talking to. No, in my view, the better approach would simply be to focus on making Linux better for the people who want to use Linux and leaving it at that; there's no need for it to be yet-another Windows, there's no need for it to be this Holy Salvation that many people insist on portraying it as.

[Firewrath9]

2 hours ago, King_of_Oz said:

How about EVERY VALVE GAME.? Half life and portal, csgo, left for dead, etc...

I said all the volvo games. Valve =volvo

dota 2 diretide remember?

[Sauron]

14 minutes ago, WereCatf said:

Microsoft does seem to deliberately not release better customization-options and I would hazard a guess that it's because they want to maintain certain level of brand-distinction, even after the user has customized the settings.

Partly this and partly the fact that windows is structured in a way that makes UI customization inherently harder. Things are heavily interdependent and changes end up affecting things you wouldn't want them to (which causes the instability problems you mentioned). And of course they don't want you to get rid of cortana, their preinstalled UWP trash and so on.

2 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

The "skip" button plays the next file in the folder for example. 

Its just soo convinient that you don't want anything else.

I mean you could just... open the folder with vlc...

 

I use media players a bit differently, generally I don't need (or want) them to act as file managers.

4 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

That's one side of the coin.

The other is that it is what it makes it so shitty/bad because you can't even write a normal installer that you can use like on Windows or OSX.

Of course you can, it's very easy too. But you shouldn't, because standalone installers are one of the worst things about windows. Repositories and package managers are infinitely superior. Just look at Steam and ask yourself if you'd rather download an individual installer from a different website for every game...

6 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

If they'd care so much, they would use more of the Windows world because that is the group of people that might be willing to switch to Linux.

 

That is the point you are missing.

While the MacOSX Users won't switch from their Plattform (well, most won't).

You don't rehabilitate a drug addict by giving them more drugs. Linux distributions don't focus on being a windows clone (well, most don't - and you're free to make a windows clone linux distro if you want...) but rather on being good operating systems. Attracting new users is important, sure, but not at the cost of integrity and quality. The linux community is not there to convert you to a cult. They're there to make something THEY like to use. If you don't like it, that's fine too.

10 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Its the biggest problem of Linux from a professional Software developer standpoint.

Because you can't develop software for Linux that is enduser friendly.

 

You either have to use a 3rd party Launcher (=Steam) or you have to develop it for one distribution like Ubuntu/Mint or you make it for multiple. That is not really a viable option.

Containers completely solve that problem - and I do mean completely. If you're using containers, one distro is just as good as any. If you're making a FOSS app on the other hand it's even easier, just publish the source code and if it's any good people will come and package it for you on all major distros.

12 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

And that is one of their problems that they don't copy the good stuff from Windows or use all the good things that Windows has to offer...

 

But that is only one Problem.

Another is that its not as easy to use as Windows or OSX, the "Sharing a Folder" Thing is a good example. Many Distributions just suck at that.

When you look under the hood most of the "good things" windows offers come down to wider software compatibility and some decent apis. The first depends on software houses and the community can't do anything about that. The latter is being worked on and is making significant progress all the time.

 

Samba shares are pretty easy on Linux too, you just need some dedicated tools (unless you are willing to use the command line, which works well enough too).

17 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

No, that is false.
You have to throw away all the things you know and learn every shortcut from the beginning.

The worst Example is KDE where you can't use any shortcut you know from Windows (well, maybe the Gutenberg-Combination (The CDU/CSU Politician, ex Minister of Defense)).

Again... who says windows shortcuts are good? They're what you're used to, that doesn't mean they are the best. You mentioned KDE - well, KDE lets you remap EVERYTHING to whatever you want (including windows shortcuts if you prefer) and it lets you do a lot more via shortcut than windows ever will. Your unwillingness to put in any effort isn't a problem with the system. I routinely remap shortcuts on pretty much everything because I like them a certain way, and guess which operating system doesn't let me do that? Windows.

21 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

things that make Windows good like Win+Arrow Keys, Win+R, Win+E, Win+D, Win+P and many more Shortcuts that are just awesome.

That's your opinion and I completely disagree - but there's NOTHING preventing you from using those shortcuts with KDE (or other DEs). There's a very easy to use configuration utility, too.

24 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

And that is the Problem, there is the Ideological barrier while you don't necessarily have that with commercial software because you have a higher accountability to the customerbase...

If you change something too much or mess up too much, nobody will buy this version.

You've seen that with Windows 2000, Vista, 8.1 for example.

Except people DID buy all those systems (2000 was pretty good for a windows version by the way) because they had no choice - it's that or an outdated system that MS will eventually stop supporting and won't be handed over to the community for continued support. Sure, they may not have sold as well as 7 or xp, but that doesn't matter; they still enforced a monopoly. If you use Windows you're at the mercy of Microsoft which could change literally anything with an update, without warning or room for choice. If you don't like Windows 10, guess what? You're stuck with 7 or 8.1, which not only were significantly changed with updates (if you don't update regularly you're begging for ransomware) but will also be phased out in the next few years until you can only use 10.

28 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

As an Enduser I couldn't care less about the API and stuff.

I want to use that and get stuff done. I don't care how it is done or how it works, I can only care about the results. I have to care only about the results.

EVERY program you use routinely depends on some sort of API, and that's the biggest reason a lot of stuff was never ported to Linux - the API dependencies were just too many. DirectX is an API, Vulkan is an API, .NET is an API/framework. So yes, you DO care even if you don't know it.

 

Knowing how things work can help you get better results, I would have thought someone on this forum would know that.

31 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Why should I care about the Implementation or why it is hard to add a "go to custom Network Adress"??

That isn't my Problem, that is theirs.

Permanently adding a network folder to stuff like Dolphin is extremely easy, all you need to do is to bother using google just like you did the fist time you wanted to do that on Windows. Again, if you don't want to put in any effort - don't. Nobody is forcing you. But stop claiming your lack of interest is a problem with the linux community.

[pipnina]

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things that make Windows good like Win+Arrow Keys, Win+R, Win+E, Win+D, Win+P and many more Shortcuts that are just awesome.

Not only can you implement those shortcuts yourself pretty easily if they are not present, but on my default configuration of mint cinnamon at the moment Win+Arrow and Win+D work as they do on windows.

20 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Except people DID buy all those systems (2000 was pretty good for a windows version by the way) because they had no choice - it's that or an outdated system that MS will eventually stop supporting and won't be handed over to the community for continued support. Sure, they may not have sold as well as 7 or xp, but that doesn't matter; they still enforced a monopoly. If you use Windows you're at the mercy of Microsoft which could change literally anything with an update, without warning or room for choice. If you don't like Windows 10, guess what? You're stuck with 7 or 8.1, which not only were significantly changed with updates (if you don't update regularly you're begging for ransomware) but will also be phased out in the next few years until you can only use 10.

And this is exactly why the Common Linux components (Linux, Xorg, pulseaudio/ALSA) should be used in all operating systems. That way developers hold no anchoring power to any operating system's success, since all programs will be written using APIs that all systems can understand.

 

At the moment, an operating system's sucess depends on 3 factors (like 3 vertices of a triangle).

• The OS developer
• The user
• The end program developers

If any of those 3 vanish, the other two will soon after.

 

Without OS developer, you have no system. Without users, you have no willing end program developers. With no end program developers, you lose your users. With no users and no end program developers, you might as well stop development.

 

That can be changed if people took a stand and stopped using MacOS and Windows. Most people can.

 

[Sauron]

On 7/23/2018 at 7:53 AM, DKL said:

This proved pretty useless to me. Not even a mention of 'what if you want to dual boot', and as someone watching it I'm not told how long it took Wendell - someone that knew what he was doing - to set it up. Furthermore, I've tried running Linux in a dualboot configuration with my Windows 10 OS and ended up going back to pure Windows after it experienced boot problems and also wouldn't properly work with my Wifi card no matter what I tried. Just wasn't worth the hassle.

It probably took Wendell a 3-4 hours, a user doing this for the first time would take longer; it shouldn't be too hard with the guide on the l1 forum though. The problem with dual boot is that it's not very convenient, you often end up doing everything on one system or the other - plus you get boot problems becuase Windows messes with the bootloader every time you update it.

 

Wifi problems are usually caused by hardware incompatibilities, if you want to run Linux it's a good idea to specifically check if your wifi card has linux drivers.

[pipnina]

1 minute ago, Sauron said:

plus you get boot problems becuase Windows messes with the bootloader every time you update it.

I have heard that windows 10 does this, however windows 7 and 8 users should be safe from it in theory.

The surefire way to dual boot windows and linux is to have two drives, with two boot records. (I did this on my desktop)

[viggy96]

On 7/22/2018 at 3:14 PM, Firewrath9 said:

list of good games on linux:

Bioshock Infinite

all the volvo games

 

 

and thats it lmao

Actually, no.

Tomb Raider

Rise of the Tomb Raider

Hitman

Dirt Rally

F1 2015

F1 2017

Everspace

Stellaris

Kerbel Space Program

Counter Strike: Global Offensive

Rocket League

Witcher 2

And tons of indie games. 

 

And like Wendell said, a bunch of games work pretty much perfectly via Wine as well, with pretty amazing performance thanks to DXVK. I play World of Tanks and World of Warships via Wine, and haven't had any issues, and I get smooth gameplay on my 2560x1080 ultrawide. 

[Firewrath9]

1 minute ago, viggy96 said:

Actually, no.

Tomb Raider

Rise of the Tomb Raider

Hitman

Dirt Rally

F1 2015

F1 2017

Everspace

Stellaris

Kerbel Space Program

Counter Strike: Global Offensive

Rocket League

Witcher 2

And tons of indie games. 

 

And like Wendell said, a bunch of games work pretty much perfectly via Wine as well, with pretty amazing performance thanks to DXVK. I play World of Tanks and World of Warships via Wine, and haven't had any issues, and I get smooth gameplay on my 2560x1080 ultrawide. 

csgo is a volvo game

[viggy96]

On 7/22/2018 at 4:25 PM, mattig89ch said:

Would this work on an Alienware Laptop?

 

Honestly, the only reason I don't use linux atm, is because I can't play 90% of my gaming library.  But if I could setup a VM with my current windows image, and run that inside a linux distro, then I'm all over this idea.

 

My biggest issue is, I'm coming into this blind.  I had assumed it was impossible, and just gave up.  Is this something that can be done?  If so, where do I start looking for information on how?

It doesn't matter what brand your laptop is. But I will say that NVIDIA has been pretty much shit on Linux for a while now. AMD graphics provide a much more painless experience, thanks to them just open-sourcing basically everything. That's why Wendell used an AMD card on Linux, and only put in an NVIDIA for PCI passthrough use. 

[TheFlyingSquirrel]

39 minutes ago, viggy96 said:

It doesn't matter what brand your laptop is. But I will say that NVIDIA has been pretty much shit on Linux for a while now. AMD graphics provide a much more painless experience, thanks to them just open-sourcing basically everything. That's why Wendell used an AMD card on Linux, and only put in an NVIDIA for PCI passthrough use. 

This actually isn't true.

 

Both AMD and Nvidia have solid driver support, the difference is relative performance.  Nvidia has 45% to 85%(and increasing as support improves) relative windows performance, while AMD is ahead at 35% to 95% (The top end is newer cards like Vega).  When you also take into account Vulkan is based off an AMD implementation, Nvidia is behind.

 

Relative performance Linux vs Windows

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-windows-relperf&num=3

 

This is native (non-vulkan)

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=march-2018-gpus&num=2

 

Native (vulkan)

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=march-2018-gpus&num=6

 

 

 

[alextulu]

On 7/23/2018 at 8:54 AM, Granular said:

As opposed to Windows that's no longer ready for the desktop.

With all the problems, that Windows 10 has, it's still easier than Linux.