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Denuvo DRM's rushed implementation in Sonic Mania is reportedly causing rapid performance breakdowns, according to celebrated game cracker, Voksi

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Reddit post by game cracker Voksi: sega_rushes_the_new_denuvo_in_new_sonic_https://www.reddit.com/r/CrackWatch/comments/908pg1/sega_rushes_the_new_denuvo_in_new_sonic_manias

 

TorrentFreak article: https://torrentfreak.com/sega-accused-of-anti-consumer-behavior-with-rushed-sonic-mania-plus-protection-180720/

 

"I'm gonna focus here on the second post. This slowdown is caused by a trigger in the time attack menu when you scroll down till the last levels, which is not closed properly, which causes Denuvo to continue writing in its section until the game is closed, which causes massive game slowdown."

 

"I've encountered this exact anti-tamper trigger while making my crack, which put the game in the exact same loop, in the exact same spot. So, this trigger is failing for this person on a legit copy. Good job, SEGA!"

 

Proof and steam discussions on it in the Reddit thread.

 

Voksi is a member of notorious game cracking group, REVOLT, and is known for their hard work cracking lots of Denuvo games the last few weeks (check their Reddit history).


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And then they wonder why people pirate games...


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13 minutes ago, Paddi01 said:

What is anti-tamper exactly?

Basically a way to try and prevent pirates cracking games. Things like this show how bad this can get tho.


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21 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

And even this gets cracked, its just really funny how big studios still waste money on these placebo's... :D

Many believe that as long as drm delays a crack by a few days it's done it's job.

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35 minutes ago, ElfFriend said:

Many believe that as long as drm delays a crack by a few days it's done it's job.

What about an update to a game that has been out for months?


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Here's an idea: make the DRM only last a month after launch... not a year or two after!


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Not surprising. Doing a rush job adding anything to a complicated piece of software is going to cause problems. This is likely the key difference between the games that work well and the ones that don't when it comes to Denuvo.

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At least it's not running VMProtect or i hope not. Assassin's Creed Origins just runs like shit even on 4 fast cores and they wrapped denuvo in vmprotect for that

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2 hours ago, Sauron said:

And then they wonder why people pirate games...

And the more people pirate the more DRM  they include, and thus the circle self perpetuates. 


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9 minutes ago, mr moose said:

And the more people pirate the more DRM  they include, and thus the circle self perpetuates. 

We should just force EA to publish their findings on piracy vs sales. 


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5 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

We should just force EA to publish their findings on piracy vs sales. 

If only those studies actually meant anything.   Remember the big EU study that everyone was convinced proved piracy was good? turns out no one read it, the reason it was not released was because it essentially proved nothing.


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4 minutes ago, mr moose said:

If only those studies actually meant anything.   Remember the bbig EU study that everyone was convince proved piracy was good? turns out no one read it, the reason it was not released was because it essentially proved nothing.

Should still be available for viewing. Checking methodology and discussing findings, or lack thereof, is an important part of the scientific method. 

 

Edit: I don't mean publishing as in posting to a scientific journal. Just giving access to the paper is great. 


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Great Idea for game in 2018:

- Good graphics

- Playable on most machines

- Not broken

- Is supported actively

- A finished game

- Not put together overnight

- Great singleplayer campaign

- Great multiplayer

- Nice soundtrack

 

The close game I can think of is SC2. Fortnite and PUBG and now this. I can't understand why people pay for rubbish games. 

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3 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Should still be available for viewing. Checking methodology and discussing findings, or lack thereof, is an important part of the scientific method. 

The document was accessed through freedom of information request.  It was never withheld or hidden, it just wasn't published/tabled,  becasue in order to do that a study has to maintain a certain integrity.  I have read through the report and it had several questionable conditions, not the least of which was that it never actually proved what the media said it did.


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4 minutes ago, mr moose said:

The document was accessed through freedom of information request.  It was never withheld or hidden, it just wasn't published/tabled,  becasue in order to do that a study has to maintain a certain integrity.  I have read through the report and it had several questionable conditions, not the least of which was that it never actually proved what the media said it did.

Do you have a link to the paper so that I may read it?


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7 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Do you have a link to the paper so that I may read it?

https://cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2017/09/displacement_study.pdf


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Since when has a sonic title been worth the bandwidth? Thought the only action sonic got was from grandparents buying them for grand-kids, and with console bundles. Think they could have been fine without going crazy with DRMs.

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Gotta go flop fast!


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7 hours ago, ElfFriend said:

Many believe that as long as drm delays a crack by a few days it's done it's job.

 

But many devs leave denuvo in there games even after its been cracked, there few that have removed but the majority is stupid and keeps it in even after been proven that it hurts game performance after removing it via crack.

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16 minutes ago, Arokhantos said:

 

But many devs leave denuvo in there games even after its been cracked, there few that have removed but the majority is stupid and keeps it in even after been proven that it hurts game performance after removing it via crack.

It probably takes too much work to remove it.  Like untangling spaghetti.


QuicK and DirtY. Read the CoC it's like a guide on how not to be moron.  Also I don't have an issue with the VS series.

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9 hours ago, ElfFriend said:

Many believe that as long as drm delays a crack by a few days it's done it's job.

And many proves that DRM isnt needed.... (CDPR, GoG)

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10 hours ago, mr moose said:

And the more people pirate the more DRM  they include, and thus the circle self perpetuates. 

Game sales are constantly on the rise, so that doesn't really hold any water... some would argue that piracy actually helps game sales in the long run, although I don't think there's conclusive evidence either way.

4 hours ago, Arokhantos said:

But many devs leave denuvo in there games even after its been cracked, there few that have removed but the majority is stupid and keeps it in even after been proven that it hurts game performance after removing it via crack.

I think there's a clause in the contract that lets the company get a full refund from Denuvo if the DRM is cracked and the devs remove it from the game - there is an incentive to get rid of it when it becomes ineffective.


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-Lenovo Thinkpad X220 - [8/10]

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-Apple Macbook (2015) - [Garbage -/10]

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From my perspective, this product has no redeeming factors given its price and the competition. It is underpowered, overpriced, impractical due to its single port and is made redundant even by Apple's own iPad pro line.

 

-OnePlus X - [7/10]

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A good phone for the price. It does everything I (and most people) need without being sluggish and has no particularly bad flaws. The lack of recent software updates and relatively barebones feature kit (most notably the lack of 5GHz wifi, biometric sensors and backlight for the capacitive buttons) prevent it from being exceptional.

 

-Microsoft Surface Book 2 - [Garbage - -/10]

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Overpriced and rushed, offers nothing notable compared to the competition, doesn't come with an adequate charger despite the premium price. Worse than the Macbook for not even offering the small plus sides of having macOS. Buy a Razer Blade if you want high performance in a (relatively) light package.

 

-Intel Core i7 2600/k - [9/10]

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Quite possibly Intel's best product launch ever. It had all the bleeding edge features of the time, it came with a very significant performance improvement over its predecessor and it had a soldered heatspreader, allowing for efficient cooling and great overclocking. Even the "locked" version could be overclocked through the multiplier within (quite reasonable) limits.

 

-Apple iPad Pro - [5/10]

Spoiler

A pretty good product, sunk by its price (plus the extra cost of the physical keyboard and the pencil). Buy it if you don't mind the Apple tax and are looking for a very light office machine with an excellent digitizer. Particularly good for rich students. Bad for cheap tinkerers like myself.

 

 

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15 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

Here's an idea: make the DRM only last a month after launch... not a year or two after!

that would probably end piracy.


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