Core i9 Macbook Pro throttles so hard its SLOWER than last years i7 model.

[D13H4RD]

1 minute ago, mynameisjuan said:

Its not even about rationality. You cant tell me not one engineer ran it for 10mins to hear the fans ramp up or check temps? Its not asking for much for a fucking engineer. 

Not that. The people who just claim this is "bullshit" and it's just a "YouTuber looking for publicity".

 

The facts are already out there. You can't tell me that you'd be okay with a $3000+ laptop with a top-of-the-line CPU that can't even reach base clocks because the thermal solution is woefully inadequate for an 8950HK.

 

And I don't think they did much testing, because if they did, they'd have to be the most daft people on earth to launch it anyway

[Hunter259]

9 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

Its not even about rationality. You cant tell me not one engineer ran it for 10mins to hear the fans ramp up or check temps? Its not asking for much for a fucking engineer. 

Apple's default fan profile on the new Pro's don't let them get about about 2500 RPM according to Louis Rossmann's video. It's always been very conservative to remain quiet. Reason why I always run my own profile.

[RotoCoreOne]

5 minutes ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

Not that. The people who just claim this is "bullshit" and it's just a "YouTuber looking for publicity".

 

The facts are already out there. You can't tell me that you'd be okay with a $3000+ laptop with a top-of-the-line CPU that can't even reach base clocks because the thermal solution is woefully inadequate for an 8950HK.

 

And I don't think they did much testing, because if they did, they'd have to be the most daft people on earth to launch it anyway

Oh they tested it, but they deemed the general consumer wouldn't care. Or they prioritized thinness and the i9 was just included for marketing purposes.

[D13H4RD]

2 minutes ago, RotoCoreOne said:

Oh they tested it, but they deemed the general consumer wouldn't care. Or they prioritized thinness and the i9 was just included for marketing purposes.

Probably a bit of both

[Br3tt96]

No fans... What do you expect...

[D13H4RD]

Welp, this thread has a few more talking about the same

 

One tried it on his and it throttled down to 800MHz on P95. On Cinebench, it was barely faster than a 4770K after a minute.

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/8zq5gn/the_core_i9_15_inch_macbook_pro_throttles_itself/

[Heesleemer]

are there benchmark differences between the i7 and i9?

[Cookybiscuit]

Does it really matter if a fashion accessory isn't functional?

[mynameisjuan]

6 minutes ago, Heesleemer said:

are there benchmark differences between the i7 and i9?

There are and its flaunted everywhere but thermal throttling kicks in right before it finishes so benchmarks still show it faster. 

 

They are moot at this point.

[Hunter259]

15 minutes ago, Br3tt96 said:

No fans... What do you expect...

Huh? This isn't the Macbook. This is the Macbook Pro.... All Pro's come with two fans.....

[PlayStation 2]

CPUs that actually make sense in a laptop like the MacBook Pro? People'll bitch.
CPUs that don't make sense and throttle in a laptop like the MacBook Pro? People'll bitch.

Part of buying something Apple is its recognition. I don't really think Apple could make everyone happy in this kind of position. Change the way it looks in pursuit of running a Core i9? People'll bitch. Put a Core i9 in something that really wasn't meant for it? Looky here, people'll bitch.

[Nowak]

2 minutes ago, Hunter259 said:

Huh? This isn't the Macbook. This is the Macbook Pro.... All Pro's come with two fans.....

Evidently not good enough fans, plus Apple's default fan curve that prefers minimal noise over actually keeping the damn laptop cool.

[Hunter259]

2 minutes ago, NowakVulpix said:

Evidently not good enough fans, plus Apple's default fan curve that prefers minimal noise over actually keeping the damn laptop cool.

Those are pretty much the best you can do fan wise. It's the curve that is a major problem on the new ones. They seem to refuse to run at full speed on the default curve.

[Br3tt96]

3 minutes ago, Hunter259 said:

Huh? This isn't the Macbook. This is the Macbook Pro.... All Pro's come with two fans.....

Whoops. My mistake... I have not messed with macs

 

 

[Nowak]

1 minute ago, Hunter259 said:

Those are pretty much the best you can do fan wise. It's the curve that is a major problem on the new ones. They seem to refuse to run at full speed on the default curve.

Which is frankly stupid. No serious computer manufacturer should prefer their computer cooking itself over a bit of extra noise.

[Hunter259]

1 minute ago, NowakVulpix said:

Which is frankly stupid. No serious computer manufacturer should prefer their computer cooking itself over a bit of extra noise.

Apple's fan curves have always been complete garbage. I've always run my own curve.

[AnonymousGuy]

2 hours ago, Brooksie359 said:

You get used to it. Also you don't need it to be that big to improve the thermals enough to reach the base clock and maybe some boost clocks. Also I find many people don't like carrying heavy laptops simply because they do not have a strong back or shoulders. If you do then it isn't an issue. Used to carry around a backpack with all my textbooks in it and a 10 lb laptop. Was a really big backpack but I also got used to it fairly quickly. 

I had a 15" 10 lb workstation laptop issued to me by my employer.  It sucked and had poor portability, because when I'm taking it "on the go" that usually means undocking it and carrying it to a conference room.  Similarly, traveling with something 2" thick and that heavy sucked.

 

My current laptop is a 14" Intel-8th-Gen Elitebook that's a lot more enjoyable to carry around on a daily basis.   At some point you have to decide that if you want massive compute power, you probably should just buy a desktop or use a server farm and keep a thin-n-light for mobile use.

[Heesleemer]

14 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

There are and its flaunted everywhere but thermal throttling kicks in right before it finishes so benchmarks still show it faster. 

 

They are moot at this point.

prounoun game - what throttles less.. the new i7 or the i9? 

links for direct comparison? 

[D13H4RD]

15 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

CPUs that actually make sense in a laptop like the MacBook Pro? People'll bitch.
CPUs that don't make sense and throttle in a laptop like the MacBook Pro? People'll bitch.

Part of buying something Apple is its recognition. I don't really think Apple could make everyone happy in this kind of position. Change the way it looks in pursuit of running a Core i9? People'll bitch. Put a Core i9 in something that really wasn't meant for it? Looky here, people'll bitch.

I wouldn't mind it at all if they made this thicker for a better cooling solution and more battery and a keyboard that's more reliable. 

[D13H4RD]

17 minutes ago, NowakVulpix said:

Evidently not good enough fans, plus Apple's default fan curve that prefers minimal noise over actually keeping the damn laptop cool.

More like a woefully inadequate cooling solution as a whole, not just fans. 

 

There's a reason the 8950HK usually has a shit ton of heat pipes on top of it 

[Guest]

On 7/18/2018 at 6:55 PM, Dabombinable said:

No, they don't have catastrophic lithium ion battery failures. But they have been known to cause burns in the past. And the Macbook being thin+light is pointless when they can easily get too hot to have in your lap safely.

 

Then again Apple doesn't even call Macbooks laptops (haven't since 2006 as far as I remember) because they know exactly how bad their cooling solutions are.

Thats the thinking. You can't sell a bad laptop if you don't sell a laptop. 

[mynameisjuan]

15 minutes ago, Heesleemer said:

prounoun game - what throttles less.. the new i7 or the i9? 

links for direct comparison? 

There some links in the reddit thread:

Look at the video in the OP, the i7 is faster and only when the macbook is put in the freezer does it get close to the i7. Rendering can throttle the i9 all the way down to 800mhz why the i7 does dip below base clock. 

 

[maartendc]

Yes, it is a pity that Apple apparently did not do any tests, and did not adjust its design. They give the option to put an i9 in, but actually that CPU is not suitable for their design of the Macbook.  They should have adjusted the thermal design of the new Macbooks, OR just do not put an i9 in it.

 

On the other hand: for short workloads, the i9 is probably faster than the i7 that preceded it (I'm thinking of applying a filter in Photoshop, or other operations of a few seconds). Only in the case of long-term loads, such as rendering or encoding, that utilize 100% CPU for a long time, will the laptop throttle. Granted that an i9 would be useful especially in those workloads.

 

Look: in my opinion a Macbook Pro is not suitable anyway as a dedicated rendering machine to churn out encodes or renders every day. It is a fine workstation to edit, photoshop, do CAD work, etc., while on the go. Any laptop with powerful hardware in a compact package (thinking Macbook pro, but also Razer Blade, Dell XPS, and the likes) would get very hot (perhaps not throttling below base clock, that depends), which is very bad for the battery, etc. So even the previous generation Macbook I would not immediately use as a rendering machine, that would just chew up the battery in no time. I would prefer to use a desktop for that.

 

Long story short: it sucks that it throttles so much with an i9, but it is a bit besides the point, that is not what these types of laptops are made for. It is a fine machine for workstation type workloads (like CAD work, editing, etc.) and the i9 is most likely faster for those workloads than the i7. But when it comes to workloads that utilize the CPU at 100% load for hours at a time, it is just not designed for that, and thermally it is not capable of dealing with that.

[Heesleemer]

41 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

There some links in the reddit thread:

Look at the video in the OP, the i7 is faster and only when the macbook is put in the freezer does it get close to the i7. Rendering can throttle the i9 all the way down to 800mhz why the i7 does dip below base clock. 

 

At work - but from what i remember from the video - that's last years i7, not the 6core

[mynameisjuan]

6 minutes ago, Heesleemer said:

At work - but from what i remember from the video - that's last years i7, not the 6core

It is.....the point being it still is worse than last years i7. 2018 i7? Maybe throttles? I dont know but dont have much confidence.