Core i9 Macbook Pro throttles so hard its SLOWER than last years i7 model.

[Morgan Everett]

16 minutes ago, Swatson said:

Close enough, there's only a few major OLED manufacturers and they all need to beat LCDs to get sales because OLEDs are expensive

It really isn't close at all. There's much more to determining display quality than whether the panel is OLED or not. 

[Syntaxvgm]

13 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

GG 10/10.

 

I can't defend Apple on this shit. 

 

Make the damn 15" models a little thicker, fit a real cooler in them and a bigger battery. 

 

(Still only give Thunderbolt 3 though because is best port)

As an i7 early 2018 late 2017 w/e 15" MBP owner, Im now happy there's a worse MBP than mine. 
Seriously, how the fuck did they go from what used to basically be one of the best laptops out there to this shit in the past few years? 

[GOTSpectrum]

LMFAO, Even YouTube knows that Linus can make a better cooling solution. 

[SeraphicWings]

 

4 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

As an i7 early 2018 late 2017 w/e 15" MBP owner, Im now happy there's a worse MBP than mine. 
Seriously, how the fuck did they go from what used to basically be one of the best laptops out there to this shit in the past few years? 

Their software (MacOS) is getting better and better every version

But their hardware (Macbook), ugh...

Might as well hire an OEM to design for you a proper "pro, working" laptop if Apple plans to shit the bed on these new MBs like this

[S w a t s o n]

2 minutes ago, Morgan Everett said:

It really isn't close at all. There's much more to determining display quality than whether the panel is OLED or not. 

Not really, a modern oled will out perform even a high quality IPS display in basically every single category

[captain_to_fire]

3 minutes ago, Morgan Everett said:

It really isn't close at all. There's much more to determining display quality than whether the panel is OLED or not. 

I think OLED is known for having deep blacks and high contrasts at the expense of oversaturation (common criticism to OLED phones like earlier Galaxy phones) but oversaturation can be tweaked by software calibration and that is what made the iPhone X's display the most color accurate even though the OLED panel was manufactured by Samsung. https://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/iphone-x-colour-accurate-display-features-displaymate-1772134

3 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

As an i7 early 2018 late 2017 w/e 15" MBP owner, Im now happy there's a worse MBP than mine. 
Seriously, how the fuck did they go from what used to basically be one of the best laptops out there to this shit in the past few years? 

It's unlikely at the moment but I hope Apple updates the MacBook Air maybe a generous 1080p display. There are simply things that macOS does way better than Windows like scaling or updates that are unobtrusive but Apple's hardware is getting ridiculous. 

[captain_to_fire]

7 minutes ago, Swatson said:

Not really, a modern oled will out perform even a high quality IPS display in basically every single category

I don't think an OLED display will outperform an IPS LCD when it comes to longevity 

[TacoSenpai]

13 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

GG 10/10.

 

I can't defend Apple on this shit. 

 

Make the damn 15" models a little thicker, fit a real cooler in them and a bigger battery. 

 

(Still only give Thunderbolt 3 though because is best port)

LET APPLE CHAN BE THICC!

[D13H4RD]

1 hour ago, Morgan Everett said:

Many people make the mistake of thinking that OLED is automatically better. It ain't necessarily so.

Not always better. OLEDs are objectively better in terms of contrast and power consumption when displaying dark images.

 

IPS LCDs have their own distinct advantages like decreased chances of permanent burn-in

[Syntaxvgm]

34 minutes ago, captain_to_fire said:

I think OLED is known for having deep blacks and high contrasts at the expense of oversaturation (common criticism to OLED phones like earlier Galaxy phones) but oversaturation can be tweaked by software calibration and that is what made the iPhone X's display the most color accurate even though the OLED panel was manufactured by Samsung. https://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/iphone-x-colour-accurate-display-features-displaymate-1772134

It's unlikely at the moment but I hope Apple updates the MacBook Air maybe a generous 1080p display. There are simply things that macOS does way better than Windows like scaling or updates that are unobtrusive but Apple's hardware is getting ridiculous. 

 

39 minutes ago, SeraphicWings said:

 

Their software (MacOS) is getting better and better every version

But their hardware (Macbook), ugh...

Might as well hire an OEM to design for you a proper "pro, working" laptop if Apple plans to shit the bed on these new MBs like this

in the process of writing this my macbook no longer gets strong wifi unless all usbc adapters are unplugged. This is in addition to the ports that are so loose touching them makes my screen disconnect. 

 

TBH it's the worst laptop I've ever owned. It's my works, if this were mine I would have gotten my money back within a week. 

[SeraphicWings]

5 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

 

in the process of writing this my macbook no longer gets strong wifi unless all usbc adapters are unplugged. This is in addition to the ports that are so loose touching them makes my screen disconnect. 

 

TBH it's the worst laptop I've ever owned. Its my works, if this were mine I would have gotten my money back within a week. 

Ahh, that reminds me of my old anker dongle with 3 usb 3.0 and an ethernet port. Instant disconnection from wifi upon plugged in

 

After it broke I swore to myself never using a dongle ever again. And the only thing that i still use is a cheap $30 usb-c to vga adapter for my school's projector, and thank god it worked well without affecting my MB. Oh, did I mention the one single keyboard broke and Apple had to remove the entire keyboard for replacement?

 

These new Macbooks are just creating so much problems. Should have gone with the 15 inch 2015 second-handed back when I first bought it

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

12 hours ago, Okjoek said:

WTF is this weird notion that laptops have to be so thin and light that you couldn't even use it as a paper weight?

 

It's a piece of office equipment, not a woman's fashion accessory.

 

This is what it should look like:

You're a joke Apple.

if i lug around a heavy laptop in my backpack for too long my shoulders start to hurt. i know they will because when my friend broke his shoulder i carried his bag for him that had a massive thinkpad in it. that experience told me i never ever want a laptop like that. i even find my 2011 15" MacBook Pro to be quite heavy. 

 

everyone's preferences are different. 

[TopHatProductions115]

If Apple would let me, I'm willing to design a better MacBook.  

[Syntaxvgm]

9 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

if i lug around a heavy laptop in my backpack for too long my shoulders start to hurt. i know they will because when my friend broke his shoulder i carried his bag for him that had a massive thinkpad in it. that experience told me i never ever want a laptop like that. i even find my 2011 15" MacBook Pro to be quite heavy. 

 

everyone's preferences are different. 

I once carried an 18 pound (yes 18 with charger) laptop every day for school when I was in college

Anything less than that is light to me lol. I carry a second laptop in addition to my macbook that people think is giant and I dont really, dell precision workstation. 
That said I think it should still be somewhat thin and light, but as a "pro" macbook it shouldn't compromise its core function to achieve this. It should be a few mm thicker. The mbp retina first gens were not too thick. It needs to be actually, and better cooling for the i9 model. In fact, the i9 model should be thicker in the i7 lower tdp model first place. 

[Syntaxvgm]

1 hour ago, TopHatProductions115 said:

If Apple would let me, I'm willing to design a better MacBook.  

I would design it myself too for specs, size, ports, parts, cooling, and other stuff, let the engineers at apple make it happen, and then let louis rossman tear it apart, and take it back to the engineering team with an order to fix every single thing he bitches about. 

What im Apple would lose all of their core customers and  go under in less than 6 months with my leadership. 

[TopHatProductions115]

@Syntaxvgm I'll just make one that's repairable and doesn't thermal throttle, while only being slightly thicker  (and with Vega GPU).   

[mynameisjuan]

1 hour ago, Amazonsucks said:

And the very site he cited shows just how many years Samsung has made the best OLED displays for phones.

 

Im well aware that its not automatically better. Last time i checked, the most expensive and highly specced monitor was still the Dolby PRM-4220 which is an RGB LED backlit native 12bit LCD with a 2TFLOPS processor just for the backlight control. Sony BVM OLEDs would probably be about equal.

 

As someone else pointed out, Apple finally dropped the WLED backlit LG IPS for Samsung OLEDs.

 

People also think bigger colour gamut = better but that aint always so either.

 

OLED in general are better. As far as high end displays, OLED TVs such as the LG C8 has the best display in terms of overall quality while keeping color accuracy and can be calibrated for perfect accuracy. 

 

Yeah the Dolby is up there but its colors fade quick moving either side and blooming is still an issue. OLEDs have one downside and that is burn in. No backlight, no color deterioration, perfect blacks, instant pixel response. OLED is the only way to go.  

[Brooksie359]

4 hours ago, Rattenmann said:

And it is still more than twice as slow as a PC that is less than 1/2rd the price.

 

On topic: Not the first time this happens in MacBooks, just the first time YouTube catches it and actually makes a video about it.

Had this happen to me as early as 2013 (not sure which model I had any more, but I never reached the top speeds for more than a few seconds before throttling).

This doesn't reach the base clock. That is much worse than not hitting the turbo clock. 

[SeraphicWings]

35 minutes ago, TopHatProductions115 said:

If Apple would let me, I'm willing to design a better MacBook.  

13 inch, no Touch Bar

4 TB3s

i7 8750H

A bit thicker for better cooling solution

16GB DDR4 ram

AMD RX560X

No butterfly switch

 

That right there is my perfect MacBook design

[RotoCoreOne]

To paraphrase appleinsider comments, "it throttles because he's using Adobe premiere, MacBooks are optimized for apple software." And "I began doubting his tests when he bought in the aero 15x for comparison"

[Brooksie359]

40 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

if i lug around a heavy laptop in my backpack for too long my shoulders start to hurt. i know they will because when my friend broke his shoulder i carried his bag for him that had a massive thinkpad in it. that experience told me i never ever want a laptop like that. i even find my 2011 15" MacBook Pro to be quite heavy. 

 

everyone's preferences are different. 

You get used to it. Also you don't need it to be that big to improve the thermals enough to reach the base clock and maybe some boost clocks. Also I find many people don't like carrying heavy laptops simply because they do not have a strong back or shoulders. If you do then it isn't an issue. Used to carry around a backpack with all my textbooks in it and a 10 lb laptop. Was a really big backpack but I also got used to it fairly quickly. 

[Hunter259]

24 minutes ago, SeraphicWings said:

13 inch, no Touch Bar

4 TB3s

i7 8750H

A bit thicker for better cooling solution

16GB DDR4 ram

AMD RX560X

No butterfly switch

 

That right there is my perfect MacBook design

Can we include 2 USB3, HDMI, and Magsafe? Oops. That's just the old one but better.

[Morgan Everett]

2 hours ago, Swatson said:

Not really, a modern oled will out perform even a high quality IPS display in basically every single category

Not necessarily.

[D13H4RD]

1 hour ago, RotoCoreOne said:

To paraphrase appleinsider comments, "it throttles because he's using Adobe premiere, MacBooks are optimized for apple software." And "I began doubting his tests when he bought in the aero 15x for comparison"

Herein lies the problem with sites like AppleInsider

 

They can't acknowledge when a fault is there. Whether or not it's optimized for Apple software, this is just bad design. If the MacBook Pro's chassis and cooling system are unable to handle a Core i9, then it shouldn't be offered, period. And we're not talking about the inability to turbo, but the inability to maintain base clocks.

 

I sorely wished the people over there would actually think rationally for once. It's this sort of behavior that allows trends like these to continue.

[mynameisjuan]

2 minutes ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

I sorely wished the people over there would actually think rationally for once

Its not even about rationality. You cant tell me not one engineer ran it for 10mins to hear the fans ramp up or check temps? Its not asking for much for a fucking engineer.