Liquid Cooled Memory is FASTER - $#!T Manufacturers Say

[nicklmg]

Buy ADATA Spectrix D80 DDR4 on Amazon: http://geni.us/0EPo

 

 

[Lurick]

In conclusion, manufacturers would put a turd in a brake box and tell you it will stop your vehicle better if they think they can sell a few more units

[ShortyfromLV]

Gonna play the devils advocate here.

 

Maybe you should of used a generic setup rather than a test bench ? What if the radiators built in will cause a different result due to the heat on top being dissipated by the radiator causing the top part to force more heat upwards ?

 

You said you'd give them every opportunity, i'd say give this a quick try. Won't hurt anyone and we might learn something new about thermodynamics.

 

EDIT

 

Here is the liquid in action

 

[Shreyas1]

Liquid cooling is the new rgb 

[darknessblade]

should this not be better to use to liquid cool RAM memory

 

or this one:

[TechyBen]

I see a new meme here... glut/tie a bottle of water onto anything "water cooling".

[Hunter259]

If you really wanted to test it you would have at least tried overvolting and overclocking to the 5GHz they say it could possibly do.

[darknessblade]

8 hours ago, TechyBen said:

I see a new meme here... glut/tie a bottle of water onto anything "water cooling".

you should use a metallic bottle, since plastic could melt. but yeah nice meme

[Granular]

Nice analogy, doofus.

The puddle of water on the CPU was very obviously actually cooling it by evaporating.

[maksakal]

3M Novec 7100 is made for immersion cooling. 7100 vaporizes at almost room temperature. You're supposed to immerse your components in it, the 7100 then vaporizes and is supposed to go up to cooling plates where it gives of it's heat, turns into a liquid and drips down into the bath once again. I'm not sure how the dynamics of the chamber on top of the modules are supposed to work, but I'm pretty sure that is not how you're supposed to cool using 7100.

 

Also I'm pretty sure this is somehow related to Der 8auer's Novec build from last year. Der 8auer uses Novec, this has Novec in it, so it must be good right?

If you're interested in how Novec 7100 I found this build made by a cryptominer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcb9TyQP5ZA

[TechyBen]

Actually, could Novec manufactures sue for defamation of their branding? "You're using it wrong" and all that?

[JoostinOnline]

Did they ever actually say it was faster though? Seems more like "$#!T LMG SAYS".

[maksakal]

4 minutes ago, TechyBen said:

Actually, could Novec manufactures sue for defamation of their branding? "You're using it wrong" and all that?

Novec is a 3M brand, so 3M is the only one making it. Novec doesn't have any consumer applications since there are no off-the-shelve parts like liquid cooling. I'm pretty sure 3M is happy to sell 7100 to ADATA and claiming defamation is far sought.

[TechyBen]

45 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

Did they ever actually say it was faster though? Seems more like "$#!T LMG SAYS".

They said "water* cooled", which is not true. The water is not cooling anything (no contact) and any air passing past it, is being blocked by the piping, thus letting the RAM get *warmer*. As no heat flow to the water, via metal heat sinks, no evapouration and no condensation... let alone any actual liquid flow. I'd say these are worse than zero effect, probably a negative effect and make everything warmer.

 

If it was "liquid optic RGB" then great, cool liquid lighting effect. But no, they gotta lie for the marketing buzz and a few extra bucks from the marks stupid enough to buy em for performance.

 

*I know it's novec, but "liquid" just sounds stranger here.

[williamcll]

15 hours ago, darknessblade said:

should this not be better to use to liquid cool RAM memory

 

or this one:

now this is something I want to see a linus review on

[JoostinOnline]

4 hours ago, TechyBen said:

They said "water* cooled", which is not true. The water is not cooling anything (no contact) and any air passing past it, is being blocked by the piping, thus letting the RAM get *warmer*. As no heat flow to the water, via metal heat sinks, no evapouration and no condensation... let alone any actual liquid flow. I'd say these are worse than zero effect, probably a negative effect and make everything warmer.

 

If it was "liquid optic RGB" then great, cool liquid lighting effect. But no, they gotta lie for the marketing buzz and a few extra bucks from the marks stupid enough to buy em for performance.

 

*I know it's novec, but "liquid" just sounds stranger here.

They don't even say water cooled.  That was all Linus.  They do say liquid cooled, which it technically is.  It's not effective in any way as the heat doesn't have anywhere to go once the liquid absorbs it, and RAM only gets warm anyway, but that doesn't mean it's false.

 

 The reality is that  the manufacturer never claimed it had any performance translation.  This was just another misleading thumbnail.

[maksakal]

2 hours ago, JoostinOnline said:

It's not effective in any way as the heat doesn't have anywhere to go once the liquid absorbs it, and RAM only gets warm anyway, but that doesn't mean it's false.

 

 The reality is that  the manufacturer never claimed it had any performance translation.  This was just another misleading thumbnail.

Actually, on their site ADATA says it is a functional heatsink, so that is wrong. Also they claim this design gives superior overclocking performance, so "faster" in layman's terms.

[JoostinOnline]

2 hours ago, maksakal said:

Actually, on their site ADATA says it is a functional heatsink, so that is wrong. Also they claim this design gives superior overclocking performance, so "faster" in layman's terms.

 Please show me where it specifically says both of those things, because I don't see it. I also don't see where Linus tried to push the overclock limit.

 

He didn't even bother taking it apart. I wouldn't be surprised if there was no die/heatspreader contact, and that it's just fancy lights, but this video was mostly assumptions and false claims. The "can't wait till Linus gets back for a correction" editing further pointed to this being another rushed filler video with no real purpose other than to meet the daily quota.

 

I guess I just miss the quality over quantity days. LMG keeps starting new projects (how many YouTube channels do they even have now?) and attempting to keep the content rate on the old ones steady. Something has to give.

[darknessblade]

7 hours ago, williamcll said:

now this is something I want to see a linus review on

haha yeah i know, this is the real liquid cooled memory i know. (its even cheaper than that RGB CRAP, since these addons cost around 15$ each+ 5$ each for high quality thermal-pads. so a max extra cost of 20$ over the regular ram price is still cheaper than these RPG module)

 

and since this has moving water the thermal conductivity is also greatly increased.

[maksakal]

4 hours ago, JoostinOnline said:

 Please show me where it specifically says both of those things, because I don't see it. I also don't see where Linus tried to push the overclock limit.

 

He didn't even bother taking it apart. I wouldn't be surprised if there was no die/heatspreader contact, and that it's just fancy lights, but this video was mostly assumptions and false claims. The "can't wait till Linus gets back for a correction" editing further pointed to this being another rushed filler video with no real purpose other than to meet the daily quota.

 

I guess I just miss the quality over quantity days. LMG keeps starting new projects (how many YouTube channels do they even have now?) and attempting to keep the content rate on the old ones steady. Something has to give.

Could've looked it up yourself....

http://www.adata.com/us/feature/553

 

* the liquid heatsink isn’t just functional; it’ll visually captivate and be the centerpiece of your rig.

*Meanwhile, the non-conductive fluid inside has the thermal stability and conductivity needed for efficient cooling.
* Hybrid cooling: Aluminum heatsink, thermally conductive materials on the PCB, and fluid with low boiling point work together to deliver excellent heat dissipation
* The SPECTRIX D80 isn’t just for the avid gamer and DIY enthusiast, but also the overclocker!

 

In fact they emphasize the "low boiling point" of the liquid several times, but the liquid is enclosed in a chamber, sooooo, yeah.... that's going to work. My brain tells me that a fluid no makey boily when in a pressure chamber. In fact in fact, I wouldn't be surpised to find out the fluid inside isn't Novec 7100. Novec is a whole line of fluids with specific applications and 7100 is one of the expensive ones. There are cheaper fluids in the Novec line which are non-conductive.

The specific point of this vid was to show heatspreaders don't do much for RAM memory, nomatter how fancy they look or the manufacturer says they are. Something about consumer awareness... You know, the whole point of channels like these.

I'll just ignore the rest of your comments for convenience sake.

[Jtalk4456]

I mean, it may be pointless but it looks darn good

[IgorM]

On 15/07/2018 at 6:21 PM, darknessblade said:

should this not be better to use to liquid cool RAM memory

 

or this one:

that's what I've imagined

[JoostinOnline]

15 hours ago, maksakal said:

Could've looked it up yourself....

http://www.adata.com/us/feature/553

 

* the liquid heatsink isn’t just functional; it’ll visually captivate and be the centerpiece of your rig.

*Meanwhile, the non-conductive fluid inside has the thermal stability and conductivity needed for efficient cooling.
* Hybrid cooling: Aluminum heatsink, thermally conductive materials on the PCB, and fluid with low boiling point work together to deliver excellent heat dissipation
* The SPECTRIX D80 isn’t just for the avid gamer and DIY enthusiast, but also the overclocker!

 

In fact they emphasize the "low boiling point" of the liquid several times, but the liquid is enclosed in a chamber, sooooo, yeah.... that's going to work. My brain tells me that a fluid no makey boily when in a pressure chamber. In fact in fact, I wouldn't be surpised to find out the fluid inside isn't Novec 7100. Novec is a whole line of fluids with specific applications and 7100 is one of the expensive ones. There are cheaper fluids in the Novec line which are non-conductive.

The specific point of this vid was to show heatspreaders don't do much for RAM memory, nomatter how fancy they look or the manufacturer says they are. Something about consumer awareness... You know, the whole point of channels like these.

I'll just ignore the rest of your comments for convenience sake.

Thank you.  I was looking at the link provided by LMG (the Amazon one) and it doesn't say any of that.

 

You're right, them making those statements changes things.

[TechyBen]

On 16/07/2018 at 4:06 PM, JoostinOnline said:

They don't even say water cooled.  That was all Linus.  They do say liquid cooled, which it technically is.  It's not effective in any way as the heat doesn't have anywhere to go once the liquid absorbs it, and RAM only gets warm anyway, but that doesn't mean it's false.

 

 The reality is that  the manufacturer never claimed it had any performance translation.  This was just another misleading thumbnail.

We all know the "water" was "liquid", we all said that, why are you trying to correct something we already corrected? No, it is not "liquid" cooled either. Look at the temps in the video, it actually causes more heat buildup in the chips. I'd actually wonder if Linus/team could take off the "heat sink" and see if they run cooler!!!