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BuckGup

Does Youtube Support H.265?

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Posted · Original PosterOP

I know last year they didn't when I tried to upload it would fail or reject it but now it accepts it. So does it work or is it converting it to VP9 on their servers? If it coverts H.264 anyways then H.265 all the way


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15 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

I know last year they didn't when I tried to upload it would fail or reject it but now it accepts it. So does it work or is it converting it to VP9 on their servers? If it coverts H.264 anyways then H.265 all the way

Right now Google is holding out for AV1 to be finalised. It should offer all the same (or better) quality/performance for high bitrate and high resolution, whilst being royalty-free (whereas H.265 isn't).

 

So, right now, everything gets converted to VP9 on the backend, but once AV1 is finalised I suspect google will quickly transition over to that.

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Called AV1 "VP1" for some reason
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14 minutes ago, Tabs said:

Right now Google is holding out for AV1 to be finalised. It should offer all the same (or better) quality/performance for high bitrate and high resolution, whilst being royalty-free (whereas H.265 isn't).

 

So, right now, everything gets converted to VP9 on the backend, but once AV1 is finalised I suspect google will quickly transition over to that.

Alright so I'll just use H.265 as it will look better and has over 1/3rd the file sizes as H.264 cancer


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3 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Alright so I'll just use H.265 as it will look better and has over 1/3rd the file sizes as H.264 cancer

If you use VP9 google won't re-transcode it's native resolution. It'll still be processed for lower bitrates though, but at least the original version you upload won't be modified, so it might end up with you having a better quality video than uploading as h.265 and forcing google to transcode it to vp9 in the back end.

 

Google has a guide to performance/quality settings and as far as I know these are the settings used internally by YouTube when processing files.

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I think I read about a chrome extention that forces youtube to use H265 all the time to offload resources to the GPU (in theory), but i;m sure @Tabs would know more about this anyway.

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2 minutes ago, CUDAcores89 said:

I think I read about a chrome extention that forces youtube to use H265 all the time to offload resources to the GPU (in theory), but i;m sure @Tabs would know more about this anyway.

 

There is a chrome extension yes, it forces the site to use H.264 (not H.265, which YouTube doesn't use). H.264 is readily accelerated by almost every modern computing device, even going as far back as original atoms and early intel integrated chips. Until recent hardware, VP9 wasn't hardware accelerated so forcing H.264 would allow for lower resource usage, power consumption etc on older hardware.

 

Currently YouTube prioritises VP9 above everything else, and supports H.264 as a fallback. The extension fools the site into believing VP9 isn't even available as a codec, and so it falls back to using H.264 instead.

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19 hours ago, Tabs said:

If you use VP9 google won't re-transcode it's native resolution. It'll still be processed for lower bitrates though, but at least the original version you upload won't be modified, so it might end up with you having a better quality video than uploading as h.265 and forcing google to transcode it to vp9 in the back end.

 

Google has a guide to performance/quality settings and as far as I know these are the settings used internally by YouTube when processing files.

Can you proof that? To my knowledge YouTube always transcodes everything.

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6 minutes ago, .spider. said:

Can you proof that? To my knowledge YouTube always transcodes everything.

Sorry, no - it was something I looked into a few years ago after Google moved to VP9 by default, but I can't find that source any more. I haven't heard anything has changed, so take it with a grain of salt.

 

My anecdotal experience is that videos uploaded in VP9 are available to view almost immediately at the uploaded resolution when encoded using the settings in the linked google post, but it might be worth investigating if you upload to YouTube a lot.

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YouTube supports uploading h265 videos.

It does not play back at h265, though. All videos are converted first to a baseline 360p MP4 video (h264 video and AAC audio), then converted from there to, I believe AVC video and AAC audio. Depending on viewership or if a video is edited with YouTube's tools, it will then be converted to separate VP9 and Opus tracks.


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3 hours ago, Black Ops said:

You can force youtube to encode to vp9 by uploading at a resolution above 1080p. Although it will take a day or two for the vp9 version to be available 

Usually that period's around 3-6ish hours from my experiences, but I usually only do 1440p60 videos in that scenario.


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Just now, Rounak said:

https://support.google.com/youtube/troubleshooter/2888402?hl=en#ts=2888407

 

Yes!

Now Youtube Supports HEVC (h.265)...

 

Thanks,

- Rounak

 

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29 minutes ago, Rounak said:

https://support.google.com/youtube/troubleshooter/2888402?hl=en#ts=2888407

 

Yes!

Now Youtube Supports HEVC (h.265)...

 

Thanks,

- Rounak

 

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That's AWESOME


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I'm not sure if anyone is reading this thread anymore, but I just tested something for myself.

I rendered a clip in H265 and uploaded it to youtube, and it appears to have transcoded it to H264/AVC. Bummer.
 

On 7/17/2018 at 1:31 PM, Dan Castellaneta said:

Usually that period's around 3-6ish hours from my experiences, but I usually only do 1440p60 videos in that scenario.

Because of this, I will wait for a day or so to see if it does change to VP9, but I would not recommend rendering/transcoding it on your own as it seems to be ridiculously slow.
Here's some information for some context:

- Base file size was 1.2GB @ 33mbps bitrate, 5 minutes (ish) long

- H.265 NVENC encoder used, bitrate of 7mbps (quality was quite similar to the AVC coded source)

- Render time of 35 seconds and a file size of ~500MB

- With VP9 (not accelerated with hardware) it took 25 minutes at the same bitrate

- VP9 quality was a tiny bit lower than H265

 

I'll update this later in regards to if youtube transcodes it to VP9

 

Also my channel took a copyright strike for even uploading it as a private video, not scheduled to be public and youtube blocked it in all countries (even though it's private?)
 

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On 7/15/2018 at 12:40 PM, Tabs said:

 

There is a chrome extension yes, it forces the site to use H.264 (not H.265, which YouTube doesn't use). H.264 is readily accelerated by almost every modern computing device, even going as far back as original atoms and early intel integrated chips. Until recent hardware, VP9 wasn't hardware accelerated so forcing H.264 would allow for lower resource usage, power consumption etc on older hardware.

 

Currently YouTube prioritises VP9 above everything else, and supports H.264 as a fallback. The extension fools the site into believing VP9 isn't even available as a codec, and so it falls back to using H.264 instead.

Not sure I'm looking forward to another codec transition, after the battery life issues VP9 gave my devices when YouTube moved to that.


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3 hours ago, Calamity1911 said:

I'm not sure if anyone is reading this thread anymore, but I just tested something for myself.

I rendered a clip in H265 and uploaded it to youtube, and it appears to have transcoded it to H264/AVC. Bummer.
 

Because of this, I will wait for a day or so to see if it does change to VP9, but I would not recommend rendering/transcoding it on your own as it seems to be ridiculously slow.
Here's some information for some context:

- Base file size was 1.2GB @ 33mbps bitrate, 5 minutes (ish) long

- H.265 NVENC encoder used, bitrate of 7mbps (quality was quite similar to the AVC coded source)

- Render time of 35 seconds and a file size of ~500MB

- With VP9 (not accelerated with hardware) it took 25 minutes at the same bitrate

- VP9 quality was a tiny bit lower than H265

 

I'll update this later in regards to if youtube transcodes it to VP9

 

Also my channel took a copyright strike for even uploading it as a private video, not scheduled to be public and youtube blocked it in all countries (even though it's private?)
 

From everything I've tried, YouTube will only encode a video into VP9 under certain parameters:
1. if that video is "1440p" or higher, frame rate doesn't matter as long as it's 6fps or higher (it either has to be 2560 pixels wide or 1440 pixels tall, or around there depending on if the video is vertical or not)

2. if YouTube determines that the view count warrants it

3. if that video was a stream, it'll automatically convert it to VP9 and Opus once it gets to encoding it

4. if that video is encoded with HDR data and YouTube can actually read it

What used to be 5 was that editing a video in any manner would also trigger it, but that changed in November of last year so that it won't automatically trigger a re-encode to VP9 and Opus unless that video was in that format to begin with

 

It's... strange, but that's kinda how YouTube works. Sometimes the Opus track will trigger without encoding a VP9 track and vice versa. It's bizarre.


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