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Another Museum if anybody gets out near Hutchinson Kansas is the Cosmosphere.  Basically all space and rocket related content and is affiliated with the Smithsonian to do restorations of their space related museum pieces.  It doesn't look like much from the outside but it is well worth the stop if your ever in that area. If you have ever wondered were the Apollo 13 command module ended up, they have it on display.

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On 5/17/2020 at 8:15 AM, Kaloob said:

I think there are MD-80s being used as private jets. One could probably use a Delta 717 after they're retired, the question is just how long, lol.

You'd probably have better luck with one owned by Delta than with Hawaiian, Voleta's may be the best, especially because they're retiring soon. 

oh yeah lmao if Delta does keep them in service for the next 5-10 years then there won't be much life left in them unless you wanted to essentially replace every structural part in the plane which would be incredibly expensive.

 

 

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Some random screenshots from XP11:

Cirrus Vision Jet:
 

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Boeing 737-800 (Zibo mod)
 

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flying with gears down over MSP, SY's home

A321-200 (ToLiss)
 

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MD-88 (Rotate)

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3 minutes ago, Kaloob said:

Then again, Southwest had their 737-200/300s for a long time, and I'd say they get more use out of their aircraft.

Quite true, how old were those when they were retired?
 

I would imagine though because of the routes Delta uses their 717s they have very high T.O/Land Cycles and will only continue to get higher...

 

Oh yeah a plane from Volotea would be fantastic, funny that Boeing doesn't show 717s in inventory for their capital wing lol.

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5 minutes ago, Kaloob said:

I think they were ~30 years old, at least some of them. WN has some short routes as well.

I wonder what will happen to Voleta's 717s.

I hope one of the current operators that isn't Volotea takes them under their arm.

 

Seems like a few have already been sent to Hawaiian but I'd like to see Delta maybe snatch a couple up even though I know it's been rumored they might be working out a deal with Boeing once the Max enters service again

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Just now, Kaloob said:

It'd be odd to see Delta buying any MAX aircradt, considering they seem to be gravitating towards Airbus right now. I could see them buying the 717s, though.

yeah that's why I still don't buy that rumor sure it'd be an easy way of changing their 717s into aircraft they own but they'd have to retrain all of those pilots on the 737 family which is considerably different from a 717 because well in effect it's like the MD-11 of the DC-9 family.  And the fact that Boeing's bitching made them pay a massive import duty on the A220s that were made in Canada.

 

I'd see them putting in an order for more A220s over getting a vacated delivery slot with in 5 years from now for a considerably bigger plane than the 717.

 

I don't particularly think the 737max is an unsafe plane especially once its issues are ironed out but that being said I don't respect the way Boeing handled it, much like I don't respect how they handled the news Delta was buying some planes from Canada at a discount because Bombardier was desperate to get orders because Bombardier didn't have the scale the CSeries/A220 was going to need to be appealing to enough airlines.

 

The CSeries only barely bites into 737-700/Max7's capability, Boeing was short sighted and too worried about cannibalizing their 737 sales and the events of 9/11 and economic downturn towards the middle of the 2000s. The problem with the 737-600 (and Airbuses A318 for that matter) was similar but also different to the 717s issue some of it had to do with timing a lot of it also had to do with capability and likely cost. Weight seems to be a factor in why the -600 and A318 were also less desirable.

 

I don't think the CS300/A223 poses much of a risk to the A319 (maybe some risk but not enough that I could see Airbus ending A319 production), unless they did the proposed lengthening Bombardier had of the CSeries "CS500" A220-500 it'd be called likely.

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25 minutes ago, Kaloob said:

I don't like how Boeing handled those events either, things went wrong when they bought MD and moved HQ, imo. Would fly on a MAX after they fix the issues (I've been on a MAX).

I could see A319 and 737 MAX 7 sales ending because they're not very hot sellers, I don't think that has anything to do with the A220, though. I doubt a longer A220 will be made because then Airbus will have overlap.

yeah I don't think there's enough demand to warrant a A220-500, Airbus has expressed if there was that demand they'd build it but I don't think there really is.

 

this was last year
"Delta doesn't plan to add any Max aircraft to its fleet, even if they're sold at a bargain price. "We feel comfortable with our existing order book," finance chief Paul Jacobson said on the call."

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/delta-nearly-bought-troubled-boeing-737-max-close-call-2019-7-1028350422

 

not sure how much that's changed but I doubt much even with the pandemic, ultimately once SAH/SHOs lift and once some solid solutions are approved I think Delta will feel fine in the orders/fleet they have right now. It's just with the MDs I think issue was they were already planning their retirements over the next year or so I believe so since they lost so much traffic instead of keeping them stored it'd be easier to retire them the 717s are expected to be in service for the next 9-10 years.

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44 minutes ago, Kaloob said:

Are they getting rid of the MD-90s early or just the MD-80s? I'm quite sad to see 'em go.

both, sometime in June will be the last flights for those types also yeah it is sad to see it go. I'm glad I at least got to fly on a 717 so if Delta pulled the plug on them suddenly I would've at least been able to experience it, and I'd like to get my bf on two of em since that's one of his favorite planes lol

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2 hours ago, Kaloob said:

Quite sad, that means no more MD-80s in the US.

Hope your bf gets to fly a 717, and it's on my bucket list as well (my dad being a WN/AA loyalist doesn't help with that dream).

yes I'd love to get him on one lol

 

I doubt Hawaiian or Qantas will do away with theirs if Delta did, hell they could step up to the plate and pick off most of them

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on the topic of privately owned planes again, I think realistically if I had some kind of wealth that would enable it, and that isn't an exorbitant amount that could afford to convert a former commercial plane, or have a new(er) commercial plane (thinking 787 or A220, quite a difference I know lmao) get the private jet interior treatments (albeit with simpler and cheaper materials rather than the kinds of woods and metals commonly used in those planes), I would probably love to get a Cirrus Vision Jet G2. Even have the tail number I'd love to get it registered to it.

 

I wished Xplane 11 had a better recreation of the Garmin G1000 system and a better implementation of Cirrus specific features lol

 

I have the G2 mod for the stock Vision jet in Xp11

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1 hour ago, pinksnowbirdie said:

I wished Xplane 11 had a better recreation of the Garmin G1000 system and a better implementation of Cirrus specific features lol

ironically I haven't replaced FSX yet. I also waited for some super slow download from a mod site that want me to pay 5$ a month.

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3 hours ago, pinksnowbirdie said:

on the topic of privately owned planes again, I think realistically if I had some kind of wealth that would enable it, and that isn't an exorbitant amount that could afford to convert a former commercial plane, or have a new(er) commercial plane (thinking 787 or A220, quite a difference I know lmao) get the private jet interior treatments (albeit with simpler and cheaper materials rather than the kinds of woods and metals commonly used in those planes), I would probably love to get a Cirrus Vision Jet G2. Even have the tail number I'd love to get it registered to it.

That would be cool, I would also be tempted to do that if I had that kind of money. I would also consider (again, if I had that kind of money) to buy a decommissioned airliner, transport it to land I would buy and then transform it into a great house (in a tasteful way of course). Imagine a penthouse inside of an old A380 for example.
If I recall correctly, there is a house in the US that uses wings of an old 747 as a roof (might have seen that on Netflix somewhere).

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so I heard today in Pakistan there was an A320 that went down. One built in 2004 so it wasn't that old. Will be interesting to see what investigators determine was the cause of the reported engine failure. Wasn't fully loaded but sounds like there may have been some ground fatalities.

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4 hours ago, pinksnowbirdie said:

so I heard today in Pakistan there was an A320 that went down. One built in 2004 so it wasn't that old. Will be interesting to see what investigators determine was the cause of the reported engine failure. Wasn't fully loaded but sounds like there may have been some ground fatalities.

given where it is operating I wouldn't be surprised if dust or other objects damaged an engine. given it was on a go around that seems like something got sucked into it on the runway. 

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7 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

given where it is operating I wouldn't be surprised if dust or other objects damaged an engine. given it was on a go around that seems like something got sucked into it on the runway. 

yeah wouldn't be surprised if FOD had some meaningful impact of the engine failure.

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1 minute ago, pinksnowbirdie said:

yeah wouldn't be surprised if FOD had some meaningful impact of the engine failure.

100% why A-10 and c130 are high engines

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4 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

100% why A-10 and c130 are high engines

yup lol
you don't really see too any commercial jets with that high wing configuration that's bigger than a Turbo prop. I don't think BAe explicitly planned that for the 146 for use in places with FOD risks lol

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1 minute ago, pinksnowbirdie said:

yup lol
you don't really see too any commercial jets with that high wing configuration that's bigger than a Turbo prop. I don't think BAe explicitly planned that for the 146 for use in places with FOD risks lol

you don't need high wing for high engine. CRJ and such have rear high engines and those have better chance at not getting FOD

727 and 717 along with MD are high rear

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4 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

you don't need high wing for high engine. CRJ and such have rear high engines and those have better chance at not getting FOD

727 and 717 along with MD are high rear

Forgot about that for some reason lol
considering the 717 is one of my favorite planes

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I wonder if a Vision jet could technically operate on a rough field as long as it had sufficient length. I mean, the engine is mounted high.

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19 minutes ago, Kaloob said:

The 737-200 with a gravel kit can avoid some FOD as well, and that uses a conventional airliner engine setup.

no where near as well that is why aircraft designed for rough field always have higher mounted.

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4 minutes ago, Kaloob said:

I'd imagine they're worse at it, mostly brought it up because of the airlines up north that use them in remote areas.

yeah it is what you have to do.

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also another thing I wonder, how expensive would it be if an airline focusing on trying to be like Southwest in a lot of ways but with more destinations abroad had Airbus domestic planes (A220-100 and A220-300 and maybe A320neo and A321neo all with PW1000G engines respective to their families) and one model of Boeing plane, 787 with GEnx.


I think with the Airbus centric fleet, an A330neo would be wiser but I kinda wished they offered something from PW or GE.

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10 minutes ago, Kaloob said:

If they were following the WN model, they'd probably go all A320. A321 XLR would make a good international candidate, though capacity is low. They defiantly would not use A220s or 787s.

A319s would be a bit big for regional routes, but WN gets by with their

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737-700s.

Well it wouldn't be a true WN model with only one family, I get the inherent benefit to only operating one family but I think with the A220 and A320neo that helps a little bit is the engine similarity, and with the A220 while it wasn't made by Airbus it's damn near what Airbus does so I think for an A220 pilot it'd be very easy to go to an A320 and well once you're on the A320 the A330 was designed very much to be easy for an A320 pilot to transition to and while getting a different type rating a lot of it would probably be more like a differences training in theory. also A321XLR isn't getting to Japan or Taiwan from Mainland US lol

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Just now, Kaloob said:

A330neo I could understand, because, like you said, the A321 XLR won't do any serious international flights, but thr A220 would be out of the question for any airline remotely (not even strictly) following the WN model.

The A320 is more similar to the A330 (to fly)  than the A220 to the 30 (maybe to the 20 as well?) Because the A319 can somewhat fill the A220s role, it wouldn't be worth it to add another aircraft type to the fleet.

ah quite true.

 

I wonder if there's any airline out there that kind of has something like what I'm thinking where they operate a plane like the A220 but also have the A320s and A330s that isn't a legacy carrier that could afford several family models

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