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Am I the only questioning why Microsoft insists on their business model of paying at least $100 to make it useable with a keyboard? Why isn't it included or 50% off if purchased with the device or make it a bundle. Or something. Anything. 

 

It looks like an insane money grab of Apple-like proportions.

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1 hour ago, Trixanity said:

Am I the only questioning why Microsoft insists on their business model of paying at least $100 to make it useable with a keyboard? Why isn't it included or 50% off if purchased with the device or make it a bundle. Or something. Anything. 

 

It looks like an insane money grab of Apple-like proportions.

If you buy online, Microsoft does alot of bundles throughout the year.

They also run alot of sales for school where they offer $300 off.

 

And again, it doesn't actually need the type cover or pen to be usable. It's as usable as any Android tablet on the market. 


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12 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

If you buy online, Microsoft does alot of bundles throughout the year.

They also run alot of sales for school where they offer $300 off.

 

And again, it doesn't actually need the type cover or pen to be usable. It's as usable as any Android tablet on the market. 

Thing is if I just wanted a touch screen, I'd buy an Android tablet. You buy the Surface to get Windows, to get the productivity and therefore the keyboard or the pen (or both).

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1 minute ago, Trixanity said:

You buy the Surface to get Windows, to get the productivity and therefore the keyboard or the pen (or both).

You buy the Surface Pro/Go to get a Windows tablet.

 

Might as well complain that the Ford Focus you just bought can't tow a small trailer, when a similarly priced F150 can.


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23 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

You buy the Surface Pro/Go to get a Windows tablet.

 

Might as well complain that the Ford Focus you just bought can't tow a small trailer, when a similarly priced F150 can.

Why would you want a Windows tablet?

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2 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

Why would you want a Windows tablet?

Because I don't value having dedicated youtube apps, crappy freemium games, and oversized GUIs on 10"+ devices over the functionality Windows gives me. I'll take my Pro 4 over an iPad Pro or Android tablet.


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i think this is extremely overpriced just like the rest of the surface lineup and i would put the HP x2 10" 4GB  with the atom X5 against it at the better deal for the price.

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I would just like to say that I bought the base model of the Surface Go the day it came, and I'm loving it so far.


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12 hours ago, Drak3 said:

That's not an issue of the OS.

Doesn't matter whose fault it is. At the end of the day, it is an issue for the customer.

Also, I 100% put the blame for UWPs shortcomings and failures on Microsoft, but that's a topic for another thread. At the end of the day, my grandma won't care whose fault it is there isn't any Youtube app on the device. All she cares about is, if tabletA has a youtube app and tabletB doesn't have a youtube app then she will lean towards tabletA. She won't take pity on the maker of tabletB and go with that instead, and neither should you.

 

12 hours ago, Drak3 said:

It's also not much of an issue for most software one would realistically run on a Surface, provided one doesn't have fingers as fat as a Johnsonville Brat.

I strongly disagree, but I guess that depends on what you define as "one would realistically run on a Surface".

I would assume that people buy these as laptop replacements, so I expect it to be used for what most people use laptops for. Since it is being touted as being good for students, that means at the very least writing essays.

If it can't do that, then people should stop saying it is good for students.

 

6 hours ago, Drak3 said:

Because I don't value having dedicated youtube apps, crappy freemium games, and oversized GUIs on 10"+ devices over the functionality Windows gives me. I'll take my Pro 4 over an iPad Pro or Android tablet.

I like how, when asked why you would pick the Surface over an Android tablet, you replied by listing benefits of the Android tablet and then went "that doesn't matter to me". You still haven't given a single reason why this device is a better tablet than an Android device or an iPad.

You need to highlight what is good about the Surface specifically, not just say that you don't care about the advantages the competitors has.

 

 

Again, I think this device is shit.

You really don't want the lowest end model, because it is extremely weak. The step up is slightly better, but still rather underpowered. However, it's 550 dollars. Now it's a pretty expensive tablet, and since it lacks a keyboard ad trackpad it can't replace a laptop.

 

In order for it to be somewhat functional as a laptop replacement you need the 130 dollar keyboard. Please note that even with the type cover, it is still not as good as a laptop for writing with the device in your lap, rather than on a table. It becomes very wobbly and hard to use when trying to balance it on your lap. 

 

At best, I would describe the Surface Go as a 680 dollar hybrid, which is a bad tablet and a bad laptop.

The only time I'd recommend it is if someone wanted the pen support and Windows software. But even then Microsoft fucked up and gave it Windows 10 S, which can be disabled for free (at least for now, who knows in the future) and I don't want to support that dictatorship they are trying to push. It can be very harmful to consumers in the long run.

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48 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

 

I strongly disagree, but I guess that depends on what you define as "one would realistically run on a Surface".

I would assume that people buy these as laptop replacements, so I expect it to be used for what most people use laptops for. Since it is being touted as being good for students, that means at the very least writing essays.

If it can't do that, then people should stop saying it is good for students.

 

They are promoted over the ipads for arts in the schools around me, they should be able to run the adobe suite and similar programs. Mind you, I looked at hem for my eldest son who's doing an arts heavy course load and discovered the yoga 520 was just as good and few $100 cheaper with keyboard and pencil. 


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7 minutes ago, mr moose said:

They are promoted over the ipads for arts in the schools around me, they should be able to run the adobe suite and similar programs. Mind you, I looked at hem for my eldest son who's doing an arts heavy course load and discovered the yoga 520 was just as good and few $100 cheaper with keyboard and pencil. 

^That there is why Surface Tablets are poor value. You need to add the cost of the accessories (which are a big part of advertisements) on top of the tablets price


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52 minutes ago, mr moose said:

They are promoted over the ipads for arts in the schools around me, they should be able to run the adobe suite and similar programs. Mind you, I looked at hem for my eldest son who's doing an arts heavy course load and discovered the yoga 520 was just as good and few $100 cheaper with keyboard and pencil. 

Are you sure it's the Surface Go bring promoted and not the Surface Pro?

The Surface Pro I can understand for art students (again, the pen is really good for that), but this is the Go version. 

 

Also, with the full version of Photoshop coming to the iPad, I think the gap between the Surface Pro and iPad (for art students) will close dramatically.

 

42 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

^That there is why Surface Tablets are poor value. You need to add the cost of the accessories (which are a big part of advertisements) on top of the tablets price

Exactly my point.

This "400 dollar tablet" is actually 780 dollars if you want to use it for the things people say it is good for. Things like drawing or using it as a laptop (isn't that the whole point of having Windows on it rather than a OS more suitable for tablets, like iOS or Android?).

 

I think you can get far better stuff for your money by looking at other brands.

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Just now, LAwLz said:

Are you sure it's the Surface Go bring promoted and not the Surface Pro?

The Surface Pro I can understand for art students (again, the pen is really good for that), but this is the Go version. 

 

Also, with the full version of Photoshop coming to the iPad, I think the gap between the Surface Pro and iPad (for art students) will close dramatically.

 

Exactly my point.

This "400 dollar tablet" is actually 780 dollars if you want to use it for the things people say it is good for. Things like drawing or using it as a laptop (isn't that the whole point of having Windows on it rather than a OS more suitable for tablets, like iOS or Android?).

 

I think you can get far better stuff for your money by looking at other brands.

They don't recommend exact models, they just point to the surface range and say get what you can afford. Depending on which teacher you talk to some also recommend various entry level laptops( because they know not everyone is made of money), But I asked one to show me what he used and it took 3 minutes to open an illustrator file (hence why I opted for the $1000 yoga and not the $600 ideapad). The one thing they are unanimously doing though is steering parents away from ipads, in fact the whole college is moving away from an ipad-centric system to a BYOD laptop system, but more specifically the art department just doesn't find them valuable (I think adobe coming to the ipad might be too late for this school but we'll see).


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4 hours ago, LAwLz said:

You still haven't given a single reason why this device is a better tablet than an Android device or an iPad.

The functionality of Windows.

 

4 hours ago, LAwLz said:

you replied by listing benefits of the Android tablet

A plethora of shitty games and a GUI that has shitty scaling are not benefits of an Android tablet.

 

4 hours ago, LAwLz said:

oesn't matter whose fault it is. At the end of the day, it is an issue for the customer.

Also, I 100% put the blame for UWPs shortcomings and failures on Microsoft, but that's a topic for another thread. At the end of the day, my grandma won't care whose fault it is there isn't any Youtube app on the device. All she cares about is, if tabletA has a youtube app and tabletB doesn't have a youtube app then she will lean towards tabletA. She won't take pity on the maker of tabletB and go with that instead, and neither should you.

To be quite frank, I consider UWP equivalent to Android and iOS apps on the consumer side. They do what they need to when needed to.

But things like dedicated YouTube apps on large tablets are worse than the website.

 

So again, having some dedicated apps that do a worse job than just opening the webpage in a browser, is not a benefit to me.


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6 hours ago, Dabombinable said:

^That there is why Surface Tablets are poor value. You need to add the cost of the accessories (which are a big part of advertisements) on top of the tablets price

A Surface product is not meant to provide the best value for the specs.

It is a premium product, regardless of specs/model. You buy it for the look, build quality and feel. And you know that you'll have an excellent (considering today's technology limitation) pen and finger tracking on a Windows device, and an excellent keyboard and trackpad for the device size.

 

Why do you think that they use/provide Alcantara and magnesium alloy. Use rubber, plastic and crappy loud cooling solutions (for the affected Surface models), and call it a day. A great way to cut cost, as most consumers don't consider these things. No one goes to BestBuy and ask what fan a laptop has, and what is the heatsink surface area... but that won't be a Surface. Microsoft leaves this to OEMs. That said, HP has excellent competitive Surface Pro products, which I am not sure how well they actually sell... I think their poor image created in Vista and early Win7 days still follows them today even on their premium systems. But that is a different topic. Sony had one too in the past, where they even managed to fit an actual quad core CPU inside (at the cost of battery life and a bit thicker device, but hey! If you don't mind these and prefer performance, it was a great choice to consider).

 

From Microsoft perspective, it is about pushing the industry forward, bringing new device forms and experience to consumers.

 

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6 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

A Surface product is not meant to provide the best value for the specs.

It is a premium product, regardless of specs/model. You buy it for the look, build quality and feel. And you know that you'll have an excellent (considering today's technology limitation) pen and finger tracking on a Windows device, and an excellent keyboard and trackpad for the device size.

 

Why do you think that they use/provide Alcantara and magnesium alloy. Use rubber, plastic and crappy loud cooling solutions (for the affected Surface models), and call it a day. A great way to cut cost, as most consumers don't consider these things. No one goes to BestBuy and ask what fan a laptop has, and what is the heatsink surface area... but that won't be a Surface. Microsoft leaves this to OEMs. That said, HP has excellent competitive Surface Pro products, which I am not sure how well they actually sell... I think their poor image created in Vista and early Win7 days still follows them today even on their premium systems. But that is a different topic. Sony had one too in the past, where they even managed to fit an actual quad core CPU inside (at the cost of battery life and a bit thicker device, but hey! If you don't mind these and prefer performance, it was a great choice to consider).

 

From Microsoft perspective, it is about pushing the industry forward, bringing new device forms and experience to consumers.

 

If the Surface Go is anything like the Surface 3 & 4, what the tablet is made out of doesn't mean much when they break fairly easily. Unlike the Surface RT for example or the (not pro at all) Samsung Galaxy Pro S.

And devices aimed at students have to provide good value, since there is a lot of competition in entry level Windows tablets. Competition that includes the keyboard+stylus in the base price, with better base specs as well.


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18 hours ago, Drak3 said:

The functionality of Windows.

Such as?

You're being very vague and I want specifics.

 

18 hours ago, Drak3 said:

A plethora of shitty games and a GUI that has shitty scaling are not benefits of an Android tablet.

Maybe not for you, but it is for others.

 

18 hours ago, Drak3 said:

To be quite frank, I consider UWP equivalent to Android and iOS apps on the consumer side. They do what they need to when needed to.

You might be the only person in the world who does that.

Everyone else except the most hardcore of Microsoft fanboys will agree that the Microsoft store is severely lacking when it comes to programs. I can list a bunch of them that are lacking for my use case if you want.

 

18 hours ago, Drak3 said:

But things like dedicated YouTube apps on large tablets are worse than the website.

How?

 

16 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

It is a premium product, regardless of specs/model. You buy it for the look, build quality and feel. And you know that you'll have an excellent (considering today's technology limitation) pen and finger tracking on a Windows device, and an excellent keyboard and trackpad for the device size.

I wouldn't say the Surface products has "excellent build quality", unless by "build quality" you mean "it feels premium".

They are plagued with hardware and software issues.

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Id grab one if i was looking for a tablet device. But i was looking for a laptop, but opted for a monitor and keyboard to hook up my old one instead. So now im not looking for anything. 

 

Might recommend one to an ART friend. 

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5 hours ago, LAwLz said:

Such as?

The ability to run exes, easily and quickly navigate files both on board and across multiple drives, have handwriting recognition built in and working regardless of tablet brand, the ability to chose to block feature updates if I chose a model with LTE, better UI scaling, and built in utilities like snipping tool and notepad.

 

5 hours ago, LAwLz said:

Everyone else except the most hardcore of Microsoft fanboys will agree that the Microsoft store is severely lacking when it comes to programs.

 I never said that the UWP app selection was plentiful, just that UWP itself is equivalent to APK as far as the user is concerned.

5 hours ago, LAwLz said:

How

Accessing and replying to notifications is faster, copying URLs is faster and more consistent, using the timeline to go back and forth in a video is far easier when not full screen, and I can see/do more with the layout of Youtube's Website.


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58 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

The ability to run exes

Such as?

Please remember to only bring up .exes you would want to use with only the touch screen, and that does not have a good iOS or Android equivalence.

 

59 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

easily and quickly navigate files both on board and across multiple drives

What do you mean by this exactly? Please be more precise. I have a file browser on my tablet, it can sync with online providers, it can use SMB, and all the things I can imagine a Windows tablet can do.

 

1 hour ago, Drak3 said:

have handwriting recognition built in and working regardless of tablet brand

You mean like on the iPad? Or through third party apps on Android?

And before you say it's built in on Windows, I don't see the value in having it built in but maybe you can enlighten me on that.

 

1 hour ago, Drak3 said:

the ability to chose to block feature updates if I chose a model with LTE

Ehm... you do realize that you can't do that on Windows, right?

At best you can delay updates with Windows Pro, which this device does not come with. It comes with Windows 10S, and can be "unlocked" to Windows 10 Home.

Also, you can block updates on iOS and Android too. Even more so than you can on Windows 10 Pro.

 

1 hour ago, Drak3 said:

better UI scaling

How exactly? I hope you don't mean PPI scaling, because that is ass in Windows (unless you use UWP, which is about as pleasant as stabbing yourself in the eyes).

 

1 hour ago, Drak3 said:

and built in utilities like snipping tool and notepad

Wow, notepad sure is a great selling point. Totally unique to Windows.

It's not like both Android and iOS has snapping tool-like features, and notepad apps.

*heavy sarcasm*

 

1 hour ago, Drak3 said:

 I never said that the UWP app selection was plentiful, just that UWP itself is equivalent to APK as far as the user is concerned.

Well, why does the users care about the API? As far as average user is concerned, iOS APIs are equivalent to WinAPI.

For developers however, they are very different and as a result the apps that exist are different too. For example UWP is far more restrictive than the Android APIs. Not just in ways of how they are allowed to run and interact with other applications, but also in ways lie general API availability. Try creating your own browser engine or file explorer using the UWP APIs. You won't be able to. Microsoft doesn't support it. It is possible on Android though.

 

1 hour ago, Drak3 said:

Accessing and replying to notifications is faster

How? On Android they show up in the notification area and clicking on it brings you straight to the message. On Windows using a browser you have to have the website open to somewhat get the same functionality, but even then it's no faster because it's still the same amount of clicks.

I could agree with you if you said replying was faster, because you have a keyboard, but remember that we're talking about using the Surface without a keyboard.

 

Perhaps you're affected by baby duck syndrome a bit?

 

1 hour ago, Drak3 said:

copying URLs is faster and more consistent

What do you mean by "more consistent"? And how is copying URLs faster exactly? It's literally 2 clicks in the app.

Share -> Copy to clipboard

I timed it. It took about 1.5 seconds for me to copy the URL of a youtube video in the app. About the same as when I am sitting at my desktop with a mouse and keyboard. How do you even do it in a browser without a keyboard?

 

Also, you are forgetting that you can still access Youtube through the web browser on Android. So even IF using the browser was somehow better, that option exist for Android too. So you can't argue that Windows is better because it has to use the browser. At best you can argue that a dedicated Youtube app is not needed. But again, that is not a benefit for Windows.

I think that takes care of your argument that "it's harder to scrub though a video in the app than it is on the website" (despite it being the same, unless you're talking about using a trackpad or mouse).

 

 

1 hour ago, Drak3 said:

I can see/do more with the layout of Youtube's Website.

Such as?

Come on, stop being so vague in your answers.

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23 hours ago, Nicnac said:

Nice product I guess but I couldn't work on something that small. I need 13" of real estate lol

That thing looks more like a phablet

I’ll keep my iPad then. I was thinking about annotating photos like the one below with the Surface Go but I might cry for the lack of touchscreen optimized apps on Windows 10. 

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13 minutes ago, captain_to_fire said:

I’ll keep my iPad then. I was thinking about annotating photos like the one below with the Surface Go but I might cry for the lack of touchscreen optimized apps on Windows 10. 

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