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Posted · Original PosterOP

I am currently using an Asus X470-F Gaming but I am not that happy with it. So I am looking for an alternative.

 

These are my problems:

Firstly there's the sensor read out bug which can cause full system crashes.

https://www.hwinfo.com/forum/Thread-ASUS-Prime-X470-Pro-Fan-headers-shutting-down-after-a-while-when-running-HWiNFO

 

75°C CPU temperature causes 100% fan speed.

You can use the Asus AI suite to increase the temperature but now you can not monitor temperature with other programs because of the above mentioned bug.

 

Fans get randomly stuck at 100% speed.

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32 minutes ago, .spider. said:

So I am looking for an alternative.

motherboard replacement?


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Posted · Original PosterOP
39 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

 

motherboard replacement?

It will be the same it has to be fixed in bios.

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2 minutes ago, .spider. said:

It will be the same it has to be fixed in bios.

no, I'm just having trouble on understanding whether you want mobo recommendation or software recommendation.


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Posted · Original PosterOP
18 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

no, I'm just having trouble on understanding whether you want mobo recommendation or software recommendation.

Looking for an X470 Motherboard that's not made by Asus.

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3 minutes ago, .spider. said:

Looking for an X470 Motherboard that's not made by Asus.

which country of pcpartpicker should I use, or is there some other site I should look from?

 

Any set budget?


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Posted · Original PosterOP
9 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

which country of pcpartpicker should I use, or is there some other site I should look from?

 

Any set budget?

The name of the board should be sufficient. Preferably in the price range of the Asus board but I don't mind spending 100€ more if I get something much better.

 

I definitely need good fan controls directly configurable in the UEFI since I don't like to run additional fan control software in windows.

 

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21 minutes ago, .spider. said:

I definitely need good fan controls directly configurable in the UEFI since I don't like to run additional fan control software in windows.

Asrock, MSI and Gigabyte all have similar bios fan control to Asus now, so that's a good thing

 

21 minutes ago, .spider. said:

The name of the board should be sufficient. Preferably in the price range of the Asus board but I don't mind spending 100€ more if I get something much better.

Gigabyte X470 Gaming 7 is the best if you disregard Asus. X370 K7 is the competitor of X470-F, though it might need BIOS update if you are using 2nd gen Ryzen and VRMs are slightly worse than the X470 G7, but still plenty overkill for Ryzen 7 and is cheaper.

 

Asrock's BIOS is less intuitive, but thankfully the fan control isnt. The X370 Taichi is the best option (inferior to Gigabyte choices) because of the BIOS. X470 Taichi shares all but the chipset with the X370 Taichi, while the X470 Taichi Ultimate adds 10Gbit network and power/reset buttons on top of the standard Taichi. I wont recommend cheaper boards because they are worse than the X470-F

 

MSI screwed up AMD platforms in the past so I rank them last. X470 and X370 Gaming M7 are their flagships, while the Gaming Pro Carbon is at the same level of X470-F


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Posted · Original PosterOP
57 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Asrock, MSI and Gigabyte all have similar bios fan control to Asus now, so that's a good thing

 

Gigabyte X470 Gaming 7 is the best if you disregard Asus. X370 K7 is the competitor of X470-F, though it might need BIOS update if you are using 2nd gen Ryzen and VRMs are slightly worse than the X470 G7, but still plenty overkill for Ryzen 7 and is cheaper.

 

Asrock's BIOS is less intuitive, but thankfully the fan control isnt. The X370 Taichi is the best option (inferior to Gigabyte choices) because of the BIOS. X470 Taichi shares all but the chipset with the X370 Taichi, while the X470 Taichi Ultimate adds 10Gbit network and power/reset buttons on top of the standard Taichi. I wont recommend cheaper boards because they are worse than the X470-F

 

MSI screwed up AMD platforms in the past so I rank them last. X470 and X370 Gaming M7 are their flagships, while the Gaming Pro Carbon is at the same level of X470-F

Thank you, I'll read the Gigabyte's manual and order if everything looks fine.

I suppose 3200MHz CL14 Ram shouldn't be any problem, right?

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3 minutes ago, .spider. said:

Thank you, I'll read the Gigabyte's manual and order if everything looks fine.

I suppose 3200MHz CL14 Ram shouldn't be any problem, right?

all these big boards shouldnt have problem with 3200mhz cl14 memory, though Asrock's BIOS is the least friendly for more extreme memory overclocks.


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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On 6.7.2018 at 1:55 PM, .spider. said:

I am currently using an Asus X470-F Gaming but I am not that happy with it. So I am looking for an alternative.

 

These are my problems:

Firstly there's the sensor read out bug which can cause full system crashes.

https://www.hwinfo.com/forum/Thread-ASUS-Prime-X470-Pro-Fan-headers-shutting-down-after-a-while-when-running-HWiNFO

 

75°C CPU temperature causes 100% fan speed.

You can use the Asus AI suite to increase the temperature but now you can not monitor temperature with other programs because of the above mentioned bug.

 

Fans get randomly stuck at 100% speed.

I have the Asus Prime X470-Pro and this board also has problems with access to the monitoring hardware via HWInfo. In my case it just randomly hardlocks, all screens go black and even the PowerButton dies (pressed it for about 20 seconds to no avail). So no other monitoring software than the AI Suite is running on my system now. :( I hope ASUS is updating the BIOS to address this problem anytime soon.


CPU Ryzen 5 3600 | MoBo Asus Prime X470-Pro | RAM 16GB Vengance RGB@3600/18 | GPU EVGA GTX 1070 SC Gaming | Case Enthoo Pro M SE
PSU bq! Pure Power 10 500W CM | Cooling Scythe Kabuto 3 & Cryorig QF120, 5x Arctic F14 | Sound SB Z Retail | Storage Samsung 970 EVO 500GB
Display(s) DELL 2001FP, DELL 2407WFP, LG 34UM95 | Keyboard Kinesis Freestyle Edge | Mouse Logitech G900 Chaos Spectrum | OS Windows 10

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