More details about the Qualcomm Snapdragon 1000 for Windows 10 laptops

[captain_to_fire]

7 hours ago, TheRandomness said:

BGA isn't a socket. It's soldering the SOC to the board, like in basically all phones and laptops.

Does it mean the SD1000 will use something similar to LGA or AM4/PGA 1331?

9 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

I deleted Photos from my system and revived the old fashion Windows Photo Viewer through registry xd.

How do you do that?

[Zodiark1593]

13 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

I doubt Qualcomm has the performance metric down to the point where anyone would want to use one of these. If anyone is going to make an x86 operating system run on an ARM processor well, its going to be Apple with their A series of SoCs. 

 

Or I guess Apple could make a separate line that are higher clocked and have bigger, more powerful GPUs like the iPads have been in the past. 

 

Shit the more I think of it the more I realize that Apple is a way more experienced SoC designer than Qualcomm is....

While the experienced Soc-designer bit is debatable (keeping in mind one makes chips entirely for themselves, the other must sell their chips to other OEMs), I find the comparison to Apple chips to be entirely moot as Apple isn't running full Windows (or anything comparable like full Mac OS) on their ARM devices, nor do they provide their chips to other manufacturers.

 

Apple isn't likely to show up to the Windows 10 game anytime soon, and we've yet to see a Mac with an Apple A series chip as the main CPU, so (at least right now) there is no viable comparison to be made. (And no, iOS and Windows 10 cannot be compared, as one is confined to an App Store, the other happily running whatever you write).

[captain_to_fire]

2 minutes ago, Zodiark1593 said:

And no, iOS and Windows 10 cannot be compared, as one is confined to an App Store, the other happily running whatever you write

I think iOS and Windows 10S can be compared fairly since both are locked down to a single App Store and they both run on ARM SoCs. But yeah, comparing full Windows 10 and iOS is rather moot.

[DrMacintosh]

3 minutes ago, Zodiark1593 said:

Apple isn't likely to show up to the Windows 10 game anytime soon,

Defiantly not. 

 

But Apple will more than likely make their own ARM MacBook. Running, most likely, a slightly dumbed down version of macOS which relies on the App Store for programs written to scale to iOS and the Mac. 

[Shadestones]

2 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Defiantly not. 

 

But Apple will more than likely make their own ARM MacBook. Running, most likely, a slightly dumbed down version of macOS which relies on the App Store for programs written to scale to iOS and the Mac. 

I think they should do this for the Macbook Air if they intend to continue producing that line, and maybe a new low end Mac Mini? The price point of the Air would need to go down, but the marketing could be aimed at students similarly to how Chromebooks and Windows 10 S laptops are.

 

They could brand it as "MacOS Lite" or something. I'm not good with names.

[captain_to_fire]

2 hours ago, Shadestones said:

I think they should do this for the Macbook Air if they intend to continue producing that line, and maybe a new low end Mac Mini? The price point of the Air would need to go down, but the marketing could be aimed at students similarly to how Chromebooks and Windows 10 S laptops are.

 

They could brand it as "MacOS Lite" or something. I'm not good with names.

Apple once mocked Microsoft for releasing Windows Vista with six different versions so I don't think they'll pull a Microsoft stunt and make a "macOS Mojave S" or something similar to Windows 10S. Even Apple's $20 macOS Server add-on (which received 1.7 stars on the Mac App Store reviews) not even a new OS version but more an app.

We don't know what Apple is cooking at the moment but extrapolating from the rumors and confirmed stuff is that in 2019, Apple might release a macOS version that is both x86 and ARM compatible and will force devs to rewrite their programs to be x86 and ARM compatible given that Apple will provide tools to port iOS apps to the Mac which is similar to the universal binary Mac OS X Tiger back in 2006 and that the MacBook Air/MacBook will finally get rid of Intel chips and replace it with their in-house A series chips. But take it with a grain of salt as these are all rumors at the moment. If there's one thing for sure, Apple's chip design team is rather very good at their jobs and, they have a chip research facility in Oregon where former Intel engineers are working so it's possible that Apple is making an ARM SoC for Macs as well.

 

[Sniperfox47]

Sorry for a bit of an off topic note but I do also want to point out we could potentially see these in Chromebooks too, which would be freaking awesome.

[captain_to_fire]

3 minutes ago, Sniperfox47 said:

Sorry for a bit of an off topic note but I do also want to point out we could potentially see these in Chromebooks too, which would be freaking awesome.

Google probably will make a Chromebook with SD1000 inside but it will be still priced at $1000. If Samsung, Acer, et.al makes a Chromebook with SD1000 and priced at $500 or less, it'll be a better buy even if the compromise includes a shiny, flimsy polycarbonate housing with faux metal trim (similar to Samsung's designs like the GS3 and GS4).

[Castdeath97]

18 hours ago, captain_to_fire said:

I wouldn't put the blame on Qualcomm immediately since a lot of their high end chips are amazing (except SD 801 and 810). I'd rather blame Microsoft for forcing something as heavy as Windows 10S to a passively cooled, low TDP chip like the SD835. I mean this morning, the Photos app which is running in the background is chewing 500MB of RAM which I think is unacceptable..

The photos and store apps are massive hogs, they even used to hog my GPU before I told them to fuck off in the Nvidia control panel! Microsoft needs to slim these apps.

[captain_to_fire]

5 minutes ago, Castdeath97 said:

The photos and store apps are massive hogs, they even used to hog my GPU before I told them to fuck off in the Nvidia control panel! Microsoft needs to slim these apps.

As I'm saying, Windows 7's Photo Viewer is so much better and faster. I think when Microsoft bundled a basic video editor to the Photos app is what fucked it up.

[Sniperfox47]

2 hours ago, captain_to_fire said:

Google probably will make a Chromebook with SD1000 inside but it will be still priced at $1000. If Samsung, Acer, et.al makes a Chromebook with SD1000 and priced at $500 or less, it'll be a better buy even if the compromise includes a shiny, flimsy polycarbonate housing with faux metal trim (similar to Samsung's designs like the GS3 and GS4).

If Google has a version of the Pixelbook that's identical to the Intel version except has a SDM1000 I'd buy that thing in a heartbeat. That's of course assuming the SD1000 has a decent number of PCIe lanes.

 

5 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Defiantly not. 

 

But Apple will more than likely make their own ARM MacBook. Running, most likely, a slightly dumbed down version of macOS which relies on the App Store for programs written to scale to iOS and the Mac. 

Since when does Apple offer cut down budget versions of their products? That would undermine their whole modern business model. I mean the closest you got so far was the C-model phones and even those came at a pretty premium price point.

 

There gets to be a point where their die is so big that it costs more to produce their own chips than it does to just buy them off Intel, and if they added PCIe lanes to the A11 they must be getting pretty close to that point >.>

[Princess Luna]

57 minutes ago, captain_to_fire said:

As I'm saying, Windows 7's Photo Viewer is so much better and faster. I think when Microsoft bundled a basic video editor to the Photos app is what fucked it up.

https://www.intowindows.com/how-to-enable-windows-photo-viewer-in-windows-10/

 

I mean google stuff is easy you can find the ways to delete every single "app" and go back to the old "program" only glory.

 

My Windows 10 machines doesn't even have the "microsoft store" on them the very only "app" I left untouch was the new calculator