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Posted · Original PosterOP

Hello,

 

I am planning to buy an ASUS ROG STRIX X470-F GAMING and pairing it with G.SKILL F4-3600C15D-16GTZ and Ryzen 2700x.

 

Now the confusion starts... can I reach 3466 MHz with this combination of RAM and motherboard?

Will the RAM speed drop if I upgrade to 32GB later and use 4 banks?

 

Or do you have any other recommendations?

 

 

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29 minutes ago, .spider. said:

can I reach 3466 MHz with this combination of RAM and motherboard?

no, you need a motherboard with clock gen to reach anything higher than 3200. The X470-F doesnt have a clock gen.

 

29 minutes ago, .spider. said:

Will the RAM speed drop if I upgrade to 32GB later and use 4 banks?

not at all, unless the new sticks are rated for lower frequencies and looser timings.


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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21 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

no, you need a motherboard with clock gen to reach anything higher than 3200. The X470-F doesnt have a clock gen.

 

not at all, unless the new sticks are rated for lower frequencies and looser timings.

Oh okay good to know so I could buy G.Skill F4-3200C14D-16GFX without loosing any speed?

And 2 or 4 DIMMs will run probably run at 3200 MHz?

 

Why is the manual stating 3466 MHz?

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1 hour ago, .spider. said:

Oh okay good to know so I could buy G.Skill F4-3200C14D-16GFX without loosing any speed?

And 2 or 4 DIMMs will run probably run at 3200 MHz?

 

wait I forgot about AGESA 1.0.0.6 update. This unlocks the memory controller multiplier to go all the way up to 4000MHz. The problem is that the memory controller in Ryzens dont really work at 3600MHz or above, that's why motherboard manuals dont specify this as 'supported'.


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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4 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

wait I forgot about AGESA 1.0.0.6 update. This unlocks the memory controller multiplier to go all the way up to 4000MHz. The problem is that the memory controller in Ryzens dont really work at 3600MHz or above, that's why motherboard manuals dont specify this as 'supported'.

Do you think I can run 4 DIMMs at 3200 MHz of those?

The official compatibility list states 2 DIMMs only.

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2 minutes ago, .spider. said:

Do you think I can run 4 DIMMs at 3200 MHz of those?

The official compatibility list states 2 DIMMs only.

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that's because this kit doesnt come with 4 sticks in the first place.

 

I think you can. In theory having more sticks increases the load on the memory controller, but 3200 isnt too harsh that 4 sticks will run into problems while 2 sticks doesnt.


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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On 6/24/2018 at 4:57 PM, Jurrunio said:

that's because this kit doesnt come with 4 sticks in the first place.

There are one DIMM kits on that list where the 4 DIMMs column is marked.

 

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got that board, wont oc higher than 2400 if only 2 sticks, manually can oc to 2666 with two sticks, need the four slots to be filled to go higher than 2400 unless you do some really manual fine tuning.

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1 hour ago, Guyse said:

got that board, wont oc higher than 2400 if only 2 sticks, manually can oc to 2666 with two sticks, need the four slots to be filled to go higher than 2400 unless you do some really manual fine tuning.

4 DIMMs needed for speeds above 2400 MHz? What?

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I got the X470-F Strix with the same RAM with Ryzen 2600.

Using D.O.C.P it posts at 3606 CL16 on latest bios. Using 1.4v voltage. And its stable.

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On 6/26/2018 at 3:37 PM, .spider. said:

4 DIMMs needed for speeds above 2400 MHz? What?

Yup, not shitting you, if you know Jesse Palacio a.k.a JP Modified, he built my rig and told me about it and tried I it for myself, originally had only 2 trident.z 3200mhz (8gb each) went to bios and wont go higher than 2400 as per board's given choices, the other speed choices were faded, so we did some manual OC and got 2666mhz with the two, a week later i added 2 more ram sticks (same specs of course) and the other choices were available so it ran at 3200 already, but my friend borrowed the 2 some time after because his was on rma coz apparently he did something with aura sync and it killed some of his LED in his ram. So yeah, back at 2 sticks at 2666mhz

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By the way @.spider., if you got the board already or still about to, it has some bugs ASUS hasn't addressed yet but the community was able to find solutions.

 

1.total black screen but PC still on yet you wont be able to restart using the power button
2.whole pc restarts out of nowhere

 

Experienced them myself and I thought I had a busted part.

Don't fret cos its happening also to the Rog Crosshair VII X470
those two are the really annoying stuff but there are solutions that the
community has found and actually works.

1.Turn off all CPU temp sensing apps that run at startup (leave just one you trust, I left my MSI afterburner to be the only one to start at boot)
2.Do not run multiple temp sensing apps at once. Take time on each of them and only use them when needing to edit something.
3.Avoid using the cpu temp feature in aura sync.

4.CAM (NZXT app software) <--- this, use it only for lighting options and nzxt fan (if you are using nzxt fans) and on your stuff that runs only on cam then close it afterwards.
5.AI Suite <--- this app is hell, causes a lot black magic hell on your pc, I personally uninstalled it along with the others in the community.

 

Asus said that its a bug between them and the windows 10 but they still aren't really showing signs to address these though.

 

been 3 weeks now since I did what the community suggested and all is fine now, I'm  leaving a link so you can read if you want.
 https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?102858-Asus-Strix-X470-F-Gaming-owners-thread

on page 8 there's a video but I do suggest to skim through from the beginning.

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18 hours ago, Guyse said:

Yup, not shitting you, if you know Jesse Palacio a.k.a JP Modified, he built my rig and told me about it and tried I it for myself, originally had only 2 trident.z 3200mhz (8gb each) went to bios and wont go higher than 2400 as per board's given choices, the other speed choices were faded, so we did some manual OC and got 2666mhz with the two, a week later i added 2 more ram sticks (same specs of course) and the other choices were available so it ran at 3200 already, but my friend borrowed the 2 some time after because his was on rma coz apparently he did something with aura sync and it killed some of his LED in his ram. So yeah, back at 2 sticks at 2666mhz

Had no problem running two sticks at 3200 MHz

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18 hours ago, Guyse said:

By the way @.spider., if you got the board already or still about to, it has some bugs ASUS hasn't addressed yet but the community was able to find solutions.

 

1.total black screen but PC still on yet you wont be able to restart using the power button
2.whole pc restarts out of nowhere

 

Experienced them myself and I thought I had a busted part.

Don't fret cos its happening also to the Rog Crosshair VII X470
those two are the really annoying stuff but there are solutions that the
community has found and actually works.

1.Turn off all CPU temp sensing apps that run at startup (leave just one you trust, I left my MSI afterburner to be the only one to start at boot)
2.Do not run multiple temp sensing apps at once. Take time on each of them and only use them when needing to edit something.
3.Avoid using the cpu temp feature in aura sync.

4.CAM (NZXT app software) <--- this, use it only for lighting options and nzxt fan (if you are using nzxt fans) and on your stuff that runs only on cam then close it afterwards.
5.AI Suite <--- this app is hell, causes a lot black magic hell on your pc, I personally uninstalled it along with the others in the community.

 

Asus said that its a bug between them and the windows 10 but they still aren't really showing signs to address these though.

 

been 3 weeks now since I did what the community suggested and all is fine now, I'm  leaving a link so you can read if you want.
 https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?102858-Asus-Strix-X470-F-Gaming-owners-thread

on page 8 there's a video but I do suggest to skim through from the beginning.

I discovered that too.

https://www.hwinfo.com/forum/Thread-ASUS-Prime-X470-Pro-Fan-headers-shutting-down-after-a-while-when-running-HWiNFO

 

Absolutely horrible bug. So I returned that board and replaced it with a Gigabyte AORUS 7

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