security Apple just confirmed new security feature to stop hardware based attacks, Grayshift says they found a way around it

[captain_to_fire]

2 minutes ago, mr moose said:

I've always been a proponent of laws that give a judge the power to force a person to unlock their phone where sufficient evidence/case situation exists to suggest their is evidence on the phone.    We have laws like that in Australia (no 5th amendment) and to date it hasn't been abused and is quite a transparent process.  Generally if there is enough evidence to arrest someone over a crime then that is sufficient to warrant forcing them to unlock their phone.

I think in the UK there’s a similar law that doesn’t require backdoors but rather will force the suspect in court to unlock the computer or phone in question. 

 

I think as data protections like native encryption and others become common for everyone, a gray area occurs. The feds, law abiding citizens and criminals use the same iPhone and Apple is providing equal protection to all. Since Apple only makes one version of macOS and iOS per major release, would the feds force Apple and other companies to provide two different versions? One very secure version for the feds and big companies and another version with redacted security features for everyone else? My opinions was changed with what @leadeater once said, I think now that feds are indeed sincere with wanting to solve crime like theft, rape, murder and others, criminal investigations aren’t exactly foolproof and more often than not leads to the incarceration of the wrong person and might lead to a future where everything is recorded. Remember the Shadow Brokers dump that backfired in NSA’s face as well as the Equation spying malware that remained undetected for ten years until around 2014-2015? 

[leadeater]

5 minutes ago, captain_to_fire said:

My opinions was changed with what @leadeater once said

What concerns me the most is I have no idea what I said lol, and that I could actually change an opinion over the internet literally amazes me.

[mr moose]

6 minutes ago, captain_to_fire said:

I think in the UK there’s a similar law that doesn’t require backdoors but rather will force the suspect in court to unlock the computer or phone in question. 

 

I think as data protections like native encryption and others become common for everyone, a gray area occurs. The feds, law abiding citizens and criminals use the same iPhone and Apple is providing equal protection to all. Since Apple only makes one version of macOS and iOS per major release, would the feds force Apple and other companies to provide two different versions? One very secure version for the feds and big companies and another version with redacted security features for everyone else? My opinions was changed with what @leadeater once said, I think now that feds are indeed sincere with wanting to solve crime like theft, rape, murder and others, criminal investigations aren’t exactly foolproof and more often than not leads to the incarceration of the wrong person and might lead to a future where everything is recorded. Remember the Shadow Brokers dump that backfired in NSA’s face as well as the Equation spying malware that remained undetected for ten years until around 2014-2015? 

I'm not interested in a backdoor, I think that is mistake too.

[captain_to_fire]

3 minutes ago, leadeater said:

What concerns me the most is I have no idea what I said lol, and that I could actually change an opinion over the internet literally amazes me.

This one 

 Too bad @hey_yo_ is dead ?

[mr moose]

4 minutes ago, leadeater said:

What concerns me the most is I have no idea what I said lol, and that I could actually change an opinion over the internet literally amazes me.

You've reached godlike status.  only youtubers with millions of subs can change minds on the internet.

[captain_to_fire]

1 minute ago, mr moose said:

You've reached godlike status.  only youtubers with millions of subs can change minds on the internet.

Inb4 leadeater launches his new YouTube channel ?

[leadeater]

1 minute ago, captain_to_fire said:

Too bad @hey_yo_ is dead ?

Who? Never heard of him 

 

3 minutes ago, mr moose said:

You've reached godlike status.  only youtubers with millions of subs can change minds on the internet.

Now I'm spooked out, I was just thinking "It's a bit like finding out you're the leader of a religion that you've never heard of". 

[mr moose]

2 minutes ago, captain_to_fire said:

Inb4 leadeater launches his new YouTube channel ?

I'll sub. I can't wait to see the content.

[leadeater]

3 minutes ago, captain_to_fire said:

Inb4 leadeater launches his new YouTube channel ?

Televangelists make more money, gotta get me that private plane to spread the word.....

 

..... and now way off topic 

[captain_to_fire]

1 minute ago, leadeater said:

Who? Never heard of him 

I heard he’s someone who died after the mods allow changing the LTT handle 

[mr moose]

4 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Who? Never heard of him 

 

Now I'm spooked out, I was just thinking "It's a bit like finding out you're the leader of a religion that you've never heard of". 

Can I be like an arch bishop or cardinal?  I always wanted a fancy hat.

[leadeater]

3 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

what scares me is I might hear the sentence "God has given me a mission, to be closer to his Almighty, and so commands us through me to buy a rocket to Mars" within my lifetime ._.

[mr moose]

2 minutes ago, leadeater said:

This is an artist impression of an apple port block in action.

[Guest]

On 6/16/2018 at 9:56 PM, captain_to_fire said:

Inb4 leadeater launches his new YouTube channel ?

I still have a feeling leadeater works at Computer Lounge or something. 

[leadeater]

3 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

I still have a feeling leadeater works at Computer Lounge or something. 

Nope, don't live in Auckland.

And never would

[ScratchCat]

17 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

Yes they would lie. Their whole business relies on being able to do this. They aren't going to say they are working on it, what use is that. 

 

On a side note, I have a 256GB iPhone 7, and (At least on iOS 12 checking right now) I can use all 256GB to store files. I've got 238.2GB free so I don't see how your math stacks up. 

According to this logic Intel should have been reiterating throughout all the Meltdown and Spectre issues that "we have all the patches for all CPU models" as a lot of their income is in the server market and the server market will not accept massive open vulnerabilities. Instead Intel mentioned that they were working on patches and would get them out "soon".

 

It shouldn't be possible to use the entire 256GB - as said by @captain_to_fire iOS takes up ~5GB. Then you most account for formatted capacity vs stated capacity (1TB HDD has a formatted capacity of ~931GB). 16GB iPhone below:

 

 

[Guest]

On 6/16/2018 at 10:34 PM, ScratchCat said:

According to this logic Intel should have been reiterating throughout all the Meltdown and Spectre issues that "we have all the patches for all CPU models" as a lot of their income is in the server market and the server market will not accept massive open vulnerabilities. Instead Intel mentioned that they were working on patches and would get them out "soon".

 

It shouldn't be possible to use the entire 256GB - as said by @captain_to_fire iOS takes up ~5GB. Then you most account for formatted capacity vs stated capacity (1TB HDD has a formatted capacity of ~931GB). 16GB iPhone below:

 

 

This isn't intel and I looked at my own phone. Remember iOS integrates storage with iCloud, they also had a few lawsuits a while ago where people were getting less than advertised storage so they had to adapt to get the customers the right amount. The available storage shown is free storage. 

[ScratchCat]

2 hours ago, RorzNZ said:

This isn't intel and I looked at my own phone. Remember iOS integrates storage with iCloud, they also had a few lawsuits a while ago where people were getting less than advertised storage so they had to adapt to get the customers the right amount. The available storage shown is free storage. 

Even with iCloud integration the phone still needs to have iOS installed hence the full 256GB to store your files. However at this capacity the size of iOS is negligible compared to the available storage space.

In regards to the lawsuits, were they about GB vs GiB? From what I have seen in iFixit teardowns the iPhone will use 64GB flash chips but I cannot tell if they actually mean GiB.

[themctipers]

17 minutes ago, ScratchCat said:

Even with iCloud integration the phone still needs to have iOS installed hence the full 256GB to store your files. However at this capacity the size of iOS is negligible compared to the available storage space.

In regards to the lawsuits, were they about GB vs GiB? From what I have seen in iFixit teardowns the iPhone will use 64GB flash chips but I cannot tell if they actually mean GiB.

iOS has two partitions, /private/var/ and /

/ is for iOS shit and whatever, and jailbreaking

/private/var/ is all of your data

 

normally you can access only /private/var/mobile/ 

 

/ is a couple of GB on lower capacity devices but goes higher the more capacity you have

something about APFS changed it so that / and /private/var are like folders inside a single partition, so that you can have more storage you can use instead of having gigabytes of unused storage stuck in /

your screenshot shows the difference between APFS (new, 10.3 and higher) and HFS+ (old, 10.2.1 and lower)

probably GB, because /, not GiB

[DrMacintosh]

7 hours ago, VegetableStu said:

"hi I'd like to get towards acquiring some of your equipment on behalf of my company"

"sure, how may I address you?"

"Steve Jobs"

 

...

 

"HAHAHAHAHAHHAA" "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"

"Nice whatever we'll need more info about your company anyway, so hang on while we arrange our specialist to handle your request"

"ok sure"

-------

"do they suspect us yet?"

"haven't got to giving the shell company details, but I'm sure they'll never give any second thoughts this soon now"

If any company was in a position to commit the most complicated and involved case of corporate espionage....Apple certainly could do it......

[DrMacintosh]

4 hours ago, RorzNZ said:

Remember iOS integrates storage with iCloud,

It absolutely does not. iCloud storage is a very separate thing from internal storage. 

 

Items from local storage get sent to the cloud, and you can view things from the cloud after removing them from local storage, but iOS does not count my 50GB/m of iCloud storage to my storage total. 

[dalekphalm]

7 hours ago, ScratchCat said:

256 * 0.93 - 6 = 232GB. Everyone happy now that an iPhone can store approximately 250GB of data?

 

Would a self respecting company blatantly lie to their customers? The statement "We broke the new mode in Beta" would allow them to say Apple patched further exploits later however a more common and reasonable response would be "We are working and are making progress" just like most other companies (look at Meltdown).

 

7 hours ago, RorzNZ said:

Yes they would lie. Their whole business relies on being able to do this. They aren't going to say they are working on it, what use is that. 

 

On a side note, I have a 256GB iPhone 7, and (At least on iOS 12 checking right now) I can use all 256GB to store files. I've got 238.2GB free so I don't see how your math stacks up. 

 

6 hours ago, ScratchCat said:

According to this logic Intel should have been reiterating throughout all the Meltdown and Spectre issues that "we have all the patches for all CPU models" as a lot of their income is in the server market and the server market will not accept massive open vulnerabilities. Instead Intel mentioned that they were working on patches and would get them out "soon".

 

It shouldn't be possible to use the entire 256GB - as said by @captain_to_fire iOS takes up ~5GB. Then you most account for formatted capacity vs stated capacity (1TB HDD has a formatted capacity of ~931GB). 16GB iPhone below:

 

 

iOS reports storage in GB, not GiB.

 

"Formatted Capacity", as you call it, is when HDD's list their drives in GB, and Microsoft lists their data in GiB but calls it GB. Microsoft saying you have 931GB on your 1TB HDD is incorrect. Microsoft should state "You have 931GiB on your 1TB HDD" because 1TB = 931GiB.

 

They are the same value, just different units.

 

And that's because the Computer Industry has been variously lazy, inconsistent, and/or misleading, depending on the particular party, for decades.

 

So, my iPhone has 128GB of storage. Including iOS, all data, and free space, I get a full 128GB.

 

My iPhone also has 119GiB of storage, though iOS doesn't care about GiB, it seems, and doesn't list any data in GiB.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, ScratchCat said:

Even with iCloud integration the phone still needs to have iOS installed hence the full 256GB to store your files. However at this capacity the size of iOS is negligible compared to the available storage space.

In regards to the lawsuits, were they about GB vs GiB? From what I have seen in iFixit teardowns the iPhone will use 64GB flash chips but I cannot tell if they actually mean GiB.

IDK what you are trying to tell me at this point, but in the capacity I have 256GB. The lawsuit was about being able to use the full storage of the device, i.e. at that time 8GB iPods could only use 6GB due to the software. 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

It absolutely does not. iCloud storage is a very separate thing from internal storage. 

 

Items from local storage get sent to the cloud, and you can view things from the cloud after removing them from local storage, but iOS does not count my 50GB/m of iCloud storage to my storage total. 

I never said internal storage. If you have iCloud Drive enabled, it does, just like on the Mac. 

[DrMacintosh]

18 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

If you have iCloud Drive enabled, it does, just like on the Mac. 

I use iCloud Drive enabled and use it extensively with my Mac and my iPhone and I can tell you that is not how macOS or iOS count storage.