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"As of June 11th, the legal protections against content discrimination on the internet are gone. As far as the FCC is concerned, net neutrality is dead." - The Verge

 

As of June 11th, the repeal of Net Neutrality has been in effect and it is now DEAD. As up right now, nothing much is changing but you will soon might see an effect in your bandwidth for certain sites. This could be seen in Streaming Services such as Netflix, Hulu, HBO GO, etc. But for now, your internet should be the same as before June 11th, so don't worry it's going to be alright. There are many other negative factor that come out of this such as these ISP or carrier could now freely to collect and share data (web and search history) to serve targeted ads. Service providers will now serve ads to generate ads dollars. Company like AT&T and Verizon announcing their plan to take advantage on this repealed. 

 

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Screenshot from the Video "Net Neutrality is dead -- what now?" from The Verge

 

To learn more about what will happen. Check out this video from The Verge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=234&v=hIULYHz6BWA

 

Do you believe that Net Neutrality will be enacted again? -- Give your opinion through the Strawpoll or down in the replies :P

http://www.strawpoll.me/15887814

 

There are few states like California who passed the bill in the Senate to re-established Net Neutrality. If you are in the United States and you feel strongly about this issue, there is motion in congress right now to rescind the repeal and to bring back 2015 rules. And you could do something about this too! If your state representative are not supported of it and you could check it here: https://www.battleforthenet.com/scoreboard/. If they are not, vote them out and replace with the one who does.

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"If you support net neutrality and your representative doesn’t, you can vote them out November and replace them with someone who does."- The Verge

 

For NOW! To prevent tracking from your ISP or anyone, and browse the web privately! Use a VPN, Private Internet Access, look at LTT video for promotion info. PEACE!

Source: https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/11/17439456/net-neutrality-dead-ajit-pai-fcc-internet 


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2 minutes ago, RuffRuffmcgruff said:

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What you on about, the large corporations are free to do whatever they choose xD

 

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When most of the world political class is dominated by old people who do not understand the technological trends of the present, we cannot do much about it. :(


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3 minutes ago, Eibe said:

When most of the world political class is dominated by old people who do not understand the technological trends of the present, we cannot do much about it. :(

Well I think they understand and very well, it seems that you dont understand that how capitalism works. Its the same as any profitable structure (phone,gas,electricity....) come here in spain (and almost every european country) and look how electricity billing works you will laugh at net neutrality

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1 minute ago, Peskanova said:

Well I think they understand and very well, it seems that you dont understand that how capitalism works. Its the same as any profitable structure (phone,gas,electricity....) come here in spain (and almost every european country) and look how electricity billing works you will laugh at net neutrality

Capitalism only works when there is competition. Honestly I wouldn't care about the repeal if there was real competition in the isp industry but unfortunately there isn't so they can basically do whatever they want and people can't do much about it if they want fast internet. 

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2 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

Capitalism only works when there is competition. Honestly I wouldn't care about the repeal if there was real competition in the isp industry but unfortunately there isn't so they can basically do whatever they want and people can't do much about it if they want fast internet. 

And all of that is because......? 
I think the biggest problem is letting a company make its structure (internet-phone-electricity-gas) without any long term protection , now you have strong companies that dont need to respond to anybody and have a high traffic problem ("thinking naive") they can do what  they want with their structure. Think this on the other way , if they cut your light or your max power, or your water preassure or your gas to make room for a new rich neightbourhood, or just to think that your place/company is bad to move you around. they can do what they want (in some legal margin).

 

So the problem is not about internet freedom i think , its about to make a private service for tons of people regulated to the point of "consumer rights"? 

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14 minutes ago, Peskanova said:

Well I think they understand and very well, it seems that you dont understand that how capitalism works. Its the same as any profitable structure (phone,gas,electricity....) come here in spain (and almost every european country) and look how electricity billing works you will laugh at net neutrality

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28 minutes ago, Peskanova said:

 

And all of that is because......? 
I think the biggest problem is letting a company make its structure (internet-phone-electricity-gas) without any long term protection , now you have strong companies that dont need to respond to anybody and have a high traffic problem ("thinking naive") they can do what  they want with their structure. Think this on the other way , if they cut your light or your max power, or your water preassure or your gas to make room for a new rich neightbourhood, or just to think that your place/company is bad to move you around. they can do what they want (in some legal margin).

 

So the problem is not about internet freedom i think , its about to make a private service for tons of people regulated to the point of "consumer rights"? 

They have the infrastructure because the government gave them the money to make it. Why should they be able to do whatever they want with the infrastructure that we paid for? If other companies had easy access to creating infrastructure to compete like Google fiber for example then it wouldn't be as much of a problem. The issue is that it's not that easy so there is a severe lack of competition. If you had Google fiber everywhere I can almost guarantee that none of this would be an issue but even Google one of the richest companies in the world has struggled to create the nessisary infrastructure. 

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16 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Ok you might post about Net neutrality but please do not discuss politics, it's against the code of conduct.

Well, Net Neutrality is a political decision. Users can try to be as a-political as possible, but if you partake in a discussion you have to state your opinion, and politics is made of opinions. If the discussion is structured and remains a discussion it should be within the code of conduct, if it becomes a flame war such as the ones you see on Facebook 24/7 then I can see your point.

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25 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Net Neutrality is dead! Long live Net Neutrality!

 

Are people really so short-sighted to think this entire discussion is over?

Yes, yes they are.

 

You're right...this issue isn't dead.  Besides, maybe this is just an opportunity to re-evaluate Net Neutrality and see if we can make it better.


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24 minutes ago, Eibe said:

Well, Net Neutrality is a political decision.

Most things are but this topic in particular.

 

Honestly certain topics can't be separated I agree. However the enforcement of those rules is rather uneven and contingent on who's actually on turn moderating at the time. There should be a place for "fringe" topics that will probably cross over but even that is just inviting a dumpster fire because if there's any topic people love discussing in bad faith, that's politics.


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This news warms my heart. The faster it all goes to shit the faster ordinary folk will notice that their internet is just not right. I bet there is a youtube personality whos gonna make a name for himself on the topic and will be akin to gamergates sargon of akkad)

 

There is an old saying, which i made up but who cares, - if things go to shit, help em go faster so you can start fixing the problem sooner.

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9 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Most things are but this topic in particular.

 

Honestly certain topics can't be separated I agree. However the enforcement of those rules is rather uneven and contingent on who's actually on turn moderating at the time. There should be a place for "fringe" topics that will probably cross over but even that is just inviting a dumpster fire because if there's any topic people love discussing in bad faith, that's politics.

I think we have a very different understanding of what is politics. The way I see it, only Matrix and Taf the Ghost made a non-political comment in this post so far.

 

 

EDIT: I re-read your comment and I am unsure whether you meant that this topic and politics can or cannot be separeted. If you meant that they cannot I apologise, otherwise I will keep my statement above.  :) 

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1 minute ago, Techstorm970 said:

Yes, yes they are.

 

You're right...this issue isn't dead.  Besides, maybe this is just an opportunity to re-evaluate Net Neutrality and see if we can make it better.

Google is the ones that clearly screwed this up. They turned what is really a quite dry subject into something of a Hate Campaign, when this always been about their bottom line. It's always made a significant chunk of the Pro-NN stuff insanely disingenuous. 

 

It was a propaganda campaign so bad I actually felt sympathy for Comcast. That's like saying, "eh, Flu isn't so terrible, at least it's not cancer". "Fear Campaigns" only work for a bit, NN was already going to drag on too long, and the ability to quip things like, "We're going back to the horrible days off...2014" makes those really pushing the topic look stupid. Strident advocacy in the face of logical criticism pushes the interested away from your position. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Eibe said:

I think we have a very different understanding of what is politics. The way I see it, only Matrix and Taf the Ghost made a non-political comment in this post so far.

Fair enough.

 

Should have said partisan politics a.k.a. topics that are more directly tied to mainstream political discussions. Not sure if that's also an accurate term but well perhaps it's more clear now.


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1 minute ago, Misanthrope said:

Fair enough.

 

Should have said partisan politics a.k.a. topics that are more directly tied to mainstream political discussions. Not sure if that's also an accurate term but well perhaps it's more clear now.

I might have misunderstood you (see my post edit). If I did, I'm sorry. 


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1 minute ago, Misanthrope said:

Fair enough.

 

Should have said partisan politics a.k.a. topics that are more directly tied to mainstream political discussions. Not sure if that's also an accurate term but well perhaps it's more clear now.

The topic is definitely political, but it also doesn't fall along easy lines. The reason it somewhat falls similar to American Left/Right dynamics is actually due to the City/non-City distinctions. The lower the population density place you live, the generally less Utility options you'll have, simply due to the realities of geography and markets. For a good chunk of Americans, this topic is little different than complaining about not having more options for a Power Company.

 

For those in much higher density regions, options are very different, thus responses are different as well. Considering how many responses we've seen that have been close to "THIS IS THE END OF THE INTERNET!!", it's reasonable to assume a lot of people simply don't view it in that regard, which drives people into a bifurcated set of options.

 

Also, aren't we all supposed to be dead already from this? I missed the mass casualties. Though I'm also trying to find this nuclear war that was supposed to have happened.

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I said this from the very beginning. And I stick with it.

Net Neutrality was a ploy by the FCC, a politically based and motivated move with no real merritt or positive gain for consumers.

Though I have debated this many times in and out of the forum it still stands as true.

 

 

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36 minutes ago, SansVarnic said:

I said this from the very beginning. And I stick with it.

Net Neutrality was a ploy by the FCC, a politically based and motivated move with no real merritt or positive gain for consumers.

Though I have debated this many times in and out of the forum it still stands as true.

I tend to agree with you.

 

NN is/was a government instituted solution to a government created problem. What we need to do is get rid of the ISP monopolies the government has created when municipalities have given exclusive service rights to ISPs. Once we open up those doors, all of the problems pretty well evaporate with increased competition on the local level. 


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Could be worst, least we aren't taxed on everything outside of breathing. :^)


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