NO vega 7nm for PC, Sony priorty for AMD..

[DocSwag]

If the next AMD GPU is in 2019 then screw freesync Ima buy a next gen nvidia GPU when it launches or soon after. Prolly end of this year

[ScratchCat]

16 hours ago, potoooooooo said:

AMD isn't clueless, they know exactly how to beat Pascal. They're investing in the future right now. They can't afford to tell sony and microsoft to go fuck themselves, they've been the most loyal customers to AMD since the PS3 and Xbox 360 released. Giving them priority is the right move, for now and for the future.

The PS3 used an NVIDIA GPU based off the GTX 7800. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSX_Reality_Synthesizer

15 hours ago, Humbug said:

Just read the article. The author may have just got a couple of titbits and is trying to spin the rest into something coherent. He even claims that Navi is not gcn.

 

I agree with him though that 7nm Vega is not coming to gamers.

GCN is over 6 years old now and has had multiple design issues (limiting front end for Hawaii) so a replacement may be in order. By 2020 or so AMD may have has enough time to redesign a large amount especially with the increased R&D due to Ryzens success.

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16 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

in 2019 nVidia releases the GTX 1085 Ti, GTX 1090 (dual 1080) and TITAN Xpp & TITAN Zp... GTX 1060 Ti and GTX 1075... oh yes and the GT1020... Pascal going stronger than ever... and AMD still clueless on how to beat it.

I think we already have the Titan Xpp haha. 

 

On a side note, Windows 7's support will be ending in 2020 :'( It seems so close now. 

[Humbug]

18 minutes ago, ScratchCat said:

GCN is over 6 years old now and has had multiple design issues (limiting front end for Hawaii) so a replacement may be in order. By 2020 or so AMD may have has enough time to redesign a large amount especially with the increased R&D due to Ryzens success.

They have been increasing R&D more with the new-found profitability.

 

But from what I have heard they had already been focused hard on discrete GPU R&D for the last few years, even before the Ryzen success. It's just that it takes years for that to pay off in terms of shipping products. The info on this thread also indicates that they are very focused on Navi.

 

But before the formation of RTG they had lost their way and lost focus on discrete GPUs, they are paying for that now.

 

Yep GCN has an issue with the front end bottleneck. However one way for Navi to get around that performance limit is if they can get 2200Mhz on 7nm... That's an alternative to going wider.

 

But they always use the word scalability when talking about Navi which I suppose means that it can go wider either by eliminating the previous bottleneck or having multiple Navi chips presented as one via infinity fabric.

[asus killer]

this makes no sense, and the source isn't actually reliable, there is no actual prove of this supposed roadmap, the rest is a bunch of assumption from Lisa's words. She says there will be 7nm coming to gaming but not vega 7nm then...

 

If they are already giving out samples and demos of vega 7nm why on earth would they not release a consumer GPU based on it? they don't care about money? 

[Froody129]

So in 2021 we're going to see the 2016 1080 level of performance?

[leadeater]

9 minutes ago, asus killer said:

If they are already giving out samples and demos of vega 7nm why on earth would they not release a consumer GPU based on it? they don't care about money?

Probably because there are no big compute/OpenCL features coming in Navi that matter for those workloads and in that market segment power efficiency means just as much as performance itself so a simple 7nm shrink addresses both power and performance while also increasing production output which may, I use may very loosely as I don't think Radeon Pro products sell much at all, help with GPU shortages.

[Humbug]

8 minutes ago, asus killer said:

If they are already giving out samples and demos of vega 7nm why on earth would they not release a consumer GPU based on it? they don't care about money? 

If the yields are low due to defects on a new process tech then it is expensive to manufacture and they cannot churn it out in high quantities. If they sell it at a competitive price they lose money. So they would rather target the data center market where they can sell it for $1000+.

 

By the time 7nm is high yield Navi may be ready so they can go straight to that for the gaming GPUs.

[Humbug]

13 minutes ago, Froody129 said:

So in 2021 we're going to see the 2016 1080 level of performance?

Nope, Navi is expected in 2019.

[asus killer]

11 minutes ago, Humbug said:

If the yields are low due to defects on a new process tech then it is expensive to manufacture and they cannot churn it out in high quantities. If they sell it at a competitive price they lose money. So they would rather target the data center market where they can sell it for $1000+.

 

By the time 7nm is high yield Navi may be ready so they can go straight to that for the gaming GPUs.

yep, remembering others problems with smaller Nm production you may be right. To be fair i guess he had this coming, they warned us there would be increasingly difficult to work with the very small Nm processes, longer waits between releases will probably be the future now.

[Deedot78]

Amd is pretty much gonna Ryzen the GPU world. And finally bring competition back. 

[Doobeedoo]

It was mentiones that Vega on 7nm is 35% faster, so I really wonder how much more 7m Navi is supposed to be. The full fledged one. I'd hope it's at least as much as that if not more. 

Though a Vega performance mid range 7nm Navi card for half the price is very solid. 

But great to see a move from GCN and so called 'Next-Gen' is the most interesting yet in that regard. 

[Humbug]

16 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

It was mentiones that Vega on 7nm is 35% faster

I'm assuming all from clockspeed increases enabled by the new 7nm process pushing them upto 2100-2200Mhz.

Cause they haven't indicated architectural improvements.

[k.m.p]

In the short term, this means no competition for nvidia until likely 2021, which will also mean a really slow progress of gpu's.

 

In the long term, it could turn out to be a masterplan if done right. Ryzen cpu's bring in more money allowing for a higher r&d budget, semi-custum gpu's made for consoles mean steady development of a 7nm gpu architecture, which may be enough for amd (hopefully before 2022) to truly bring a high end soloution to compete with nvidia, and likely intel. 

 

Amd needs the money and time to do this, and this may be the only way for them to do this, whilst it does mean we'll be stuck with pascal for a while, and not much improvement now, it could lead to true competition in the future. 

[JoostinOnline]

On 6/12/2018 at 9:40 AM, Deedot78 said:

So literally Nvidia will have NO Competition for the foreseeable future.

I'm not sure how you worked that out.  No 7nm Vega doesn't mean no competition.